EPTWhy masters league does not make you a baller. - Page 2
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LuckyFool
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StarStruck
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On January 12 2011 08:27 Impervious wrote: Also, the majority of ICCUP users were more competitive..... Far less than 20% of all Starcraft players ever played on ICCUP..... However, ALL SC2 players have to use Battle.net 2.0 when they play. It's not even close to a good representation, unfortunately..... Yes, I think its a little rash as well to make such comparisons. For players to not just know about ICCUP, but actually compete there is something else entirely. So, I really wouldn't make such parallels; however, your charts do paint an accurate picture for SC2, but 95% sounds awfully misleading too, based on the U.I., maps, and unit compositions. :/ | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:15 darmousseh wrote: Yes, in terms of rts skill perhaps, in terms of distribution of players who play on iccup and those who play sc2, no. Well that's apples and oranges. ICCUP is already a competitive gaming community, whereas most SC2 players are not competitive gamers. The CS equivalent would be comparing CAL-i people, CAL-m people and pubbers. CAL-m people were probably in the top 1% of CS players, when pubbers were part of the comparison, but probably only 1% of that was of a comparable level to CAL-i. Also keep in mind that the Blizzard system is weighted so that there will be that type of distribution, whereas ICCUP wasn't rated at all. I may be mistaken, but I think it's comparing cardinal and ordinal numbers. | ||
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:16 LuckyFool wrote: masters league is a joke I got promoted out of my diamond division that had idra, select, drewbie, tt1 and now I'm with a bunch of nobodys it sucks. They were all promoted to Masters League too most likely.. Just because you're not with the same people doesn't make it a joke. That doesn't even make sense. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:10 blabber wrote: D iccup = diamond D+ iccup = master's sounds about right Sounds about right to me | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On January 12 2011 08:07 darmousseh wrote: I found some information on iccup master league is equivilent to B+ and higer on iccup diamond is equvilient to C- http://www.iccup.com/content/news/Rank_Distribution_on_iCCup..html However, iccup is more of a pyramid. There wasn't a good matchmaking system so the system is really flawed. Not even remotely true. iCCup itself represents the top of the starcraft community. You can think of iCCup as basically diamond league | ||
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
If you used that as an assumption instead of a normal distribution, it would show how much of a joke diamond, and it would be even clearer. EDIT - f distribution: ![[image loading]](http://www.visualstatistics.net/statistical%20distributions/F-Distributions%207.jpg) | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:15 darmousseh wrote: Yes, in terms of rts skill perhaps, in terms of distribution of players who play on iccup and those who play sc2, no. Yes, the thing is we care about the skill. The distribution will always be the same whatever the skill of the players, as it is maintained by Blizzard algorithm, so it doesn't mean anything. Plus the fact that 90+% of SC2 players are casual players. You want to make a comparison with iccup ? Instead of using distribution, lets just count the players from the top, as the huge mass of casual players doesn't impact on this. Grandmaster league is top 200 of each server, so basically 800 players. If you only take foreigners on BW, we never had 800 B+ and above players. And even including koreans -- who were a lot above everyone else in BW -- we are barely above 800 players and that accounts for a lot of smurves (from your own link http://www.iccup.com/content/news/Rank_Distribution_on_iCCup..html , interesting link btw  )So B+ would be equivalent to the Grandmaster league for sure, not the masters league. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:02 endy wrote: Yes, the thing is we care about the skill. The distribution will always be the same whatever the skill of the players, as it is maintained by Blizzard algorithm, so it doesn't mean anything. Plus the fact that 90+% of SC2 players are casual players. You want to make a comparison with iccup ? Instead of using distribution, lets just count the players from the top, as the huge mass of casual players doesn't impact on this. Grandmaster league is top 200 of each server, so basically 800 players. If you only take foreigners on BW, we never had 800 B+ and above players. And even including koreans -- who were a lot above everyone else in BW -- we are barely above 800 players and that accounts for a lot of smurves (from your own link http://www.iccup.com/content/news/Rank_Distribution_on_iCCup..html , interesting link btw )So B+ would be equivalent to the Grandmaster league for sure, not the masters league. That's fairly accurate (at least for outside of Korea). Most top foreigners had some difficulty getting past B+, though the very top managed to keep A- (only a handful). That sounds about right. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:10 blabber wrote: D iccup = diamond D+ iccup = master's sounds about right Eh, I would definitely say that D-/E players consistently make up the diamond ranks these of days - plenty of 30 apm players who have a cutesy all-in attack copy + pasted build to get them a few free wins occasionally. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
bronze-platinum = free play low diamond = NL2 high diamond = NL5/NL10 masters = NL25/NL50 | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
In terms of skills, I was C- on iccup. A 'B+' ICCUP player can be top 50 ezpz IMO | ||
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jeparie
United States65 Posts
On January 12 2011 14:25 jalstar wrote: from a poker standpoint: bronze-platinum = free play low diamond = NL2 high diamond = NL5/NL10 masters = NL25/NL50 it would probably go more like this bronze to plat ~ nl2-nl5 low diamond ~ nl10 mid diamond ~ nl50 high diamond ~ nl100 masters ~ nl200+ grandmasters ~ nl1k edit - that's going by regs at each level | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:55 xxpack09 wrote: Not even remotely true. iCCup itself represents the top of the starcraft community. You can think of iCCup as basically diamond league This is true. logging onto iccup alone put you above a ridiculously high percentage of the total SC population let alone actually achieving a good rank. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:15 darmousseh wrote: Yes, in terms of rts skill perhaps, in terms of distribution of players who play on iccup and those who play sc2, no. You've already fucked up here since the SC2 ladder system involves everyone with the game while iCCup only included a bit of the competitive portion of the BW community. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:57 Impervious wrote: On ICCUP, the distribution was more like an f distribution than a normal distribution. It's probably similar for SC2. If you used that as an assumption instead of a normal distribution, it would show how much of a joke diamond, and it would be even clearer. EDIT - f distribution: The iccup date is terribly unreliable.. including people with 0-0 stats(or even anyone with less than ~20 games which is minimal for any kind of statistical relevance), so certainly that cant be claimed.. Also the games have different base groups which the statistics are based on, which makes them not comparable. | ||
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