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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:57:29
December 16 2010 01:44 GMT
#1
How hard do you guys rage when the inevitable getting drawn out happens? I'm curious because my roommate (who wants to be a poker pro) and is currently at 10/25cent online rages harder than Phil Hellmuth does in videos of him on youtube. Like, he'll literally go on tilt for hours while constant raging if it's a decent pot or whatever. In fact... he is raging now after getting drawn out and then having the guy win a 4 way pot the very next hand.



Any especially memorable rage stories? I'd ninja record one of my roommate's rage sessions but I don't think he'd like that showing up on TL very much.

edit - haha the sidebar title is "Rekrul and ..."

I bet I'm gonna get a lot of dissapointed viewers. In fact, I'd go all in on it.

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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11587 Posts
December 16 2010 01:46 GMT
#2
This one time I was playing poker and lost a decent sized pot I think I said 'damn'. I'm not sure though. I guess that counts as tilt?
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:48:23
December 16 2010 01:47 GMT
#3
If you weren't very loud and raging for at least 5 minutes it's not rage. Rage + doing stupid plays afterwards because of rage = tilt.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
December 16 2010 01:50 GMT
#4
you handle it by a) not becoming angry by stuff that is outside your own control and determined by luck (by far preferable, but this option is only possible to pick if you're reasonably calm as a person), b) only playing limits where your bankroll can handle the swings, and c) playing so much that you've literally experienced everything as the first cut is the deepest and eventually you will be numbed.

your friend sounds like someone that should just drop poker, but these sort of temper problems transfer to other aspects of your life as well so he should probably seek therapy in addition. it's not like you have to love losing or whatever, most "successful" people are somewhat compeditive because that is a powerful motivator, but being angry for hours about losing because of bad luck when you voluntarily decide to gamble is just stupid.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11587 Posts
December 16 2010 01:50 GMT
#5
i was at a casino playing a 2/5 game and got sucked out on. (I flopped the nut straight and he flopped a set [3 of a kind] and he rivered a full house). I looked at him and told the dealer to buy me back in. then didn't say a word. the whole table was like 'wtf how could he not care?'

anyways. if you tilt like raging elephant with shit stuck up its ass when you lose a hand, then maybe poker is not for you.

But I was being sarcastic in the post beforehand. I used to tilt (no holes in the wall etc... though) and then chainsmoke a few cigarettes and then newb bash on pgt or iccup. but getting rid of tilt will make you a 1000x better player.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 16 2010 01:52 GMT
#6
Well, his hours long rages aren't too common, I'd say on average they are a few weeks apart, and it's usually in tourneys when the payout (if he had continued to do well) would have been basically his entire bankroll. His latest quote as of a couple minutes ago was pretty funny though

"I swear if I get drawn out again with a 50% chance I'm going to quit poker for a month"
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:53:16
December 16 2010 01:52 GMT
#7
too cool to care

(ur roommate is a loser)
why so 진지해?
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 16 2010 01:53 GMT
#8
8 minutes, not bad, but if the cat were on fire you'd be out of a cat.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 16 2010 02:02 GMT
#9
In general I don't see how you can understand poker well and still rage so hard . 60:40 is a good decision it doesn't even matter if you win or lose. What's with the mentality, if I win a 60:40 or a 90:10 its expected, no reaction, if you lose its rage mode? It makes no sense, poker is based much off winning in the long term, not better odds = win 100%.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24751 Posts
December 16 2010 02:03 GMT
#10
He seems to find everything about him very quickly lol.

Man if my roommate was like that I'd be pretty pissed... having him raging every time he got a bad beat and shit? No thank you!
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 16 2010 02:05 GMT
#11
At least I've only been woken up in the middle of the night a couple of times by him hardcore raging
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 16 2010 02:05 GMT
#12
straight vs set on flop is hardly a "suck out", the money is going in anyways and hell, isn't it only 3:2 odds in favor of the straight?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
December 16 2010 02:06 GMT
#13
On December 16 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote:
too cool to care

(ur roommate is a loser)


Rofl so cold man..
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11587 Posts
December 16 2010 02:10 GMT
#14
On December 16 2010 11:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:
straight vs set on flop is hardly a "suck out", the money is going in anyways and hell, isn't it only 3:2 odds in favor of the straight?


yea i didn't care at all i was more surprised by the other players at my table about how losing $X00 in a single hand is 'tilt' worthy. i was like uhh w/e here's $500 more gimme chips.
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 16 2010 02:19 GMT
#15
On December 16 2010 11:02 Slayer91 wrote:
In general I don't see how you can understand poker well and still rage so hard . 60:40 is a good decision it doesn't even matter if you win or lose. What's with the mentality, if I win a 60:40 or a 90:10 its expected, no reaction, if you lose its rage mode? It makes no sense, poker is based much off winning in the long term, not better odds = win 100%.


Why is it so hard to believe that people can be affected emotionally by things that are beyond their control? It's a very natural response to be unhappy when something unfavorable happens to you, even if are completely aware of its possibility. People do not make a logical choice to go into a rage, they just do.

Some people are better than others at rationalizing the situation and dealing with the outcomes logically. Perhaps you are one of those people, so you have a hard time understanding others who are not as good at it.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
December 16 2010 02:21 GMT
#16
A lot of good players think the difference between 5/10 and 50/100 is just mindset and tilt management...
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
December 16 2010 02:29 GMT
#17
It sounds like your friend has anger issues, but the bigger problem is that he's thinking about the game in completely the wrong way. He needs to stop caring about the result of an individual pot and start caring about making good decisions. Straight vs set on the flop is most likely a cooler, so who cares what the result is?

Tell him to download a program which can calculate EV winnings like Hold'em Manager. At least then he can shift his complaining from "getting sucked out on" to "running bad" =/
Don't hate the player, hate the game
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 04:28:35
December 16 2010 02:30 GMT
#18
It's easy to tell yourself to just focus on the long term and don't sweat the big downswings, but it can be a lot harder in practice, for me at least. Tilt is certainly my biggest flaw in poker, but I'm really trying to fix that. I've been playing less lately. Whenever I feel tilt incoming, I will just quit. Sometimes I also listen to calm, quiet, relaxing music while playing, and I've been starting to run somewhat regularly (though not as often as I'd like to).

This is what happened a few weeks ago in a long tilty session where I was continually getting it in with the best and losing over and over and over.

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I've still been too lazy to fix it.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 16 2010 02:36 GMT
#19
Lol he's already going on another rage.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43362 Posts
December 16 2010 03:18 GMT
#20
It's a matter of perspective. If you're 99% favourite and you win then you still got lucky, your EV of 99% of the pot has turned into 100% of the money. The idea of bad beats is just people not understanding statistics.
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
December 16 2010 03:34 GMT
#21
Your friend doesnt have what it takes, as simply as that, altough ill recommend him some podcast, i think it was called "the zen of poker" or something.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 16 2010 09:36 GMT
#22
On December 16 2010 11:19 Slithe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 11:02 Slayer91 wrote:
In general I don't see how you can understand poker well and still rage so hard . 60:40 is a good decision it doesn't even matter if you win or lose. What's with the mentality, if I win a 60:40 or a 90:10 its expected, no reaction, if you lose its rage mode? It makes no sense, poker is based much off winning in the long term, not better odds = win 100%.


Why is it so hard to believe that people can be affected emotionally by things that are beyond their control? It's a very natural response to be unhappy when something unfavorable happens to you, even if are completely aware of its possibility. People do not make a logical choice to go into a rage, they just do.

Some people are better than others at rationalizing the situation and dealing with the outcomes logically. Perhaps you are one of those people, so you have a hard time understanding others who are not as good at it.


You're choosing to play a game where you are guaranteed to lose lots of money with good decisions and good odds, but if you play well you'll win money overall. If you rage so hard at taking bad beats why would you ever play poker..
Maybe you're right though, even in sc2/bw the worst I get with 10 game or so losing streaks is mouthed//whispered swears and clenched fists or whatever. (I still get pretty angry but I never break anything you just need to calm down a bit).
meeny
Profile Joined May 2008
United States40 Posts
December 22 2010 23:43 GMT
#23
it depends on why hes raging......hes gotta understand its poker..and he has to understand that when people "hit their draws" its not liek they did the wrong play..if a person has the nut flush draw on a low board and you have KK..and you're both all in on the flop..you can't blame him, nor you for being all-in...he will beat you 1 out of 3 times roughly...soooo...shouldn't be raging at nl25 over things like that...rage when they 2 out you on the river and call with retarded hands in stupid spots..but then he should be thinking hes lucky the kid is at the table and now you can make easy money off him.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 23 2010 00:49 GMT
#24
My brother bangs the table and yells when he gets a bad beat. Or at least he did. I think he stopped playing poker much at all, but he was winning at higher stakes, and paid for his school with it.

I think it's really immature and shows bad character when you get upset over bad beats though. Even though my brother was a winning player (and constantly told me he should be winning a lot more if his stats looked anything like they were supposed to for the length of time he'd played), I'm sure he played worse than he could have without it, and it was really fucking annoying to overhear while I was doing my own work. Anyone who rages over this type of stuff is just a big baby and needs to grow up. That counts for people who rage in SC, and it counts doubly so for people who rage in poker.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
December 23 2010 06:34 GMT
#25
Best thing to do is be like w/e.
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Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 06:58:53
December 23 2010 06:58 GMT
#26
On December 16 2010 10:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you handle it by a) not becoming angry by stuff that is outside your own control and determined by luck (by far preferable, but this option is only possible to pick if you're reasonably calm as a person), b) only playing limits where your bankroll can handle the swings, and c) playing so much that you've literally experienced everything as the first cut is the deepest and eventually you will be numbed.

pretty much all 3 of these together unless you're nazgul

all else fails if you have a big ego you can find an enormous sense of pride in not tilting. thats what worked for me...its just embarassing -.-
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Seltsam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 07:33:27
December 23 2010 07:28 GMT
#27
Umm I'd say your roommate needs anger management? Yeah that crap is frustrating, but if it's getting him that pissed for hours on end... he may actually need some help dealing with that. It can't be healthy :S


On December 23 2010 09:49 Chef wrote: it counts doubly so for people who rage in poker.



I actually disagree there. The reason I don't get frustrated at SC losses is that I can usually attribute it to something I did wrong (unless I'm playing a team game). I usually only get upset if something happened that isn't in my control. In poker, you can do everything right then just lose. To me, that's way more annoying than having a discernible error that can be corrected.
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Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
December 23 2010 07:30 GMT
#28
On December 23 2010 15:58 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 10:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you handle it by a) not becoming angry by stuff that is outside your own control and determined by luck (by far preferable, but this option is only possible to pick if you're reasonably calm as a person), b) only playing limits where your bankroll can handle the swings, and c) playing so much that you've literally experienced everything as the first cut is the deepest and eventually you will be numbed.

pretty much all 3 of these together unless you're nazgul

all else fails if you have a big ego you can find an enormous sense of pride in not tilting. thats what worked for me...its just embarassing -.-


This is actually really solid advice, pride yourself on not tilting. Feel like you're a fucking badass of poker because you don't tilt.
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Joementum
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
787 Posts
December 23 2010 07:46 GMT
#29
For those people saying "He can't be a pro because he rages" then I have one name for you all:

Phil Hellmuth
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 23 2010 11:04 GMT
#30
Great! You found one! That means all the other 100's of stone faced unblinking pro's just don't rage because they are boring people!
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 15:05:38
December 23 2010 14:55 GMT
#31
God, this sounds exactly like my roommate back in the day. We'd each be playing online, different limits, but him at NL5 and the booms and random fists exploding on desks and walls. I would always laugh about how he could get so mad over such little money.

Eventually I got to be a decent troll with it. I'd normally have his tables off to the side and would watch them for any big pots he'd play. Whenever he got sucked out on, I'd pick the table out and quickly look up the hand history and yell out stuff like "HA!! Stacked the sucker with my J4o!" or "Got another fish all-in pre with my pocket threes! They never learn!" or whatever hand he lost to. Our doors were open so he'd rage pretty hard. He caught on pretty quickly obviously, but it still fueled his tilt rage to no end.
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
December 23 2010 15:52 GMT
#32
anyone that rages on poker is inexperienced or has life issues(usually the former).

stop losses and taking breaks are a poker players best friends.

bad luck HAS to happen. if it didn't, poker would be rigged.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 23 2010 16:01 GMT
#33
i wonder if you could record your friend raging and then show him how much of a douche he looks like. :O
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
December 23 2010 19:17 GMT
#34
On December 23 2010 16:46 Joementum wrote:
For those people saying "He can't be a pro because he rages" then I have one name for you all:

Phil Hellmuth


Well Phil Hellmuth is good and a multi-time WSOP champion, andddd he is kind of doing it because the TVs make it seem like its his character. I bet he's just playing along with it for the TV time. He has an ass ton of money, you really think he cares that much? The people who rage and punches walls after a bad beat are probably terrible at just keeping their cool, which is quite important in poker. To the original post, tell your friend to QUIT poker, he's going to probably have a lot of mental issues if he can't control himself.
Coramoor
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada455 Posts
December 23 2010 23:05 GMT
#35
honestly, i rage a lot more in sc2 then i do in poker, i lost a 300 dollar pot online with ak against queens, that's just how the game goes sometimes, when you play a game of luck, you just have to accept things like that, with sc2 it's a game of skill so it's easier to lose your head over losing to a lower skill move or something like that, but if you don't have the head to keep your cool in a game of luck, then you're probably not cut out for the variance of being a pro
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