How hard do you guys rage when the inevitable getting drawn out happens? I'm curious because my roommate (who wants to be a poker pro) and is currently at 10/25cent online rages harder than Phil Hellmuth does in videos of him on youtube. Like, he'll literally go on tilt for hours while constant raging if it's a decent pot or whatever. In fact... he is raging now after getting drawn out and then having the guy win a 4 way pot the very next hand.

Any especially memorable rage stories? I'd ninja record one of my roommate's rage sessions but I don't think he'd like that showing up on TL very much.

edit - haha the sidebar title is "Rekrul and ..."

I bet I'm gonna get a lot of dissapointed viewers. In fact, I'd go all in on it.

CaucasianAsian

Korea (South)11600 Posts

December 16 2010 01:46 GMT

This one time I was playing poker and lost a decent sized pot I think I said 'damn'. I'm not sure though. I guess that counts as tilt?

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

December 16 2010 01:47 GMT

If you weren't very loud and raging for at least 5 minutes it's not rage. Rage + doing stupid plays afterwards because of rage = tilt.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28876 Posts

December 16 2010 01:50 GMT

you handle it by a) not becoming angry by stuff that is outside your own control and determined by luck (by far preferable, but this option is only possible to pick if you're reasonably calm as a person), b) only playing limits where your bankroll can handle the swings, and c) playing so much that you've literally experienced everything as the first cut is the deepest and eventually you will be numbed.

your friend sounds like someone that should just drop poker, but these sort of temper problems transfer to other aspects of your life as well so he should probably seek therapy in addition. it's not like you have to love losing or whatever, most "successful" people are somewhat compeditive because that is a powerful motivator, but being angry for hours about losing because of bad luck when you voluntarily decide to gamble is just stupid.

CaucasianAsian

Korea (South)11600 Posts

December 16 2010 01:50 GMT

i was at a casino playing a 2/5 game and got sucked out on. (I flopped the nut straight and he flopped a set [3 of a kind] and he rivered a full house). I looked at him and told the dealer to buy me back in. then didn't say a word. the whole table was like 'wtf how could he not care?'

anyways. if you tilt like raging elephant with shit stuck up its ass when you lose a hand, then maybe poker is not for you.

But I was being sarcastic in the post beforehand. I used to tilt (no holes in the wall etc... though) and then chainsmoke a few cigarettes and then newb bash on pgt or iccup. but getting rid of tilt will make you a 1000x better player.

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

December 16 2010 01:52 GMT

Well, his hours long rages aren't too common, I'd say on average they are a few weeks apart, and it's usually in tourneys when the payout (if he had continued to do well) would have been basically his entire bankroll. His latest quote as of a couple minutes ago was pretty funny though

"I swear if I get drawn out again with a 50% chance I'm going to quit poker for a month"

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

December 16 2010 01:52 GMT

too cool to care

(ur roommate is a loser)

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

December 16 2010 01:53 GMT

8 minutes, not bad, but if the cat were on fire you'd be out of a cat.

Slayer91

Ireland23342 Posts

December 16 2010 02:02 GMT

In general I don't see how you can understand poker well and still rage so hard . 60:40 is a good decision it doesn't even matter if you win or lose. What's with the mentality, if I win a 60:40 or a 90:10 its expected, no reaction, if you lose its rage mode? It makes no sense, poker is based much off winning in the long term, not better odds = win 100%.

micronesia

United States24793 Posts

December 16 2010 02:03 GMT

#10

He seems to find everything about him very quickly lol.

Man if my roommate was like that I'd be pretty pissed... having him raging every time he got a bad beat and shit? No thank you!

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

December 16 2010 02:05 GMT

#11

At least I've only been woken up in the middle of the night a couple of times by him hardcore raging

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

December 16 2010 02:05 GMT

#12

straight vs set on flop is hardly a "suck out", the money is going in anyways and hell, isn't it only 3:2 odds in favor of the straight?

`Zapdos

United States935 Posts

December 16 2010 02:06 GMT

#13

On December 16 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote:
too cool to care

(ur roommate is a loser)

Rofl so cold man..

CaucasianAsian

Korea (South)11600 Posts

December 16 2010 02:10 GMT

#14

On December 16 2010 11:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:
straight vs set on flop is hardly a "suck out", the money is going in anyways and hell, isn't it only 3:2 odds in favor of the straight?

yea i didn't care at all i was more surprised by the other players at my table about how losing $X00 in a single hand is 'tilt' worthy. i was like uhh w/e here's $500 more gimme chips.

Slithe

United States985 Posts

December 16 2010 02:19 GMT

#15

On December 16 2010 11:02 Slayer91 wrote:
In general I don't see how you can understand poker well and still rage so hard . 60:40 is a good decision it doesn't even matter if you win or lose. What's with the mentality, if I win a 60:40 or a 90:10 its expected, no reaction, if you lose its rage mode? It makes no sense, poker is based much off winning in the long term, not better odds = win 100%.

Why is it so hard to believe that people can be affected emotionally by things that are beyond their control? It's a very natural response to be unhappy when something unfavorable happens to you, even if are completely aware of its possibility. People do not make a logical choice to go into a rage, they just do.

Some people are better than others at rationalizing the situation and dealing with the outcomes logically. Perhaps you are one of those people, so you have a hard time understanding others who are not as good at it.

BrTarolg

United Kingdom3574 Posts

December 16 2010 02:21 GMT

#16

A lot of good players think the difference between 5/10 and 50/100 is just mindset and tilt management...

FuRong

New Zealand3089 Posts

December 16 2010 02:29 GMT

#17

It sounds like your friend has anger issues, but the bigger problem is that he's thinking about the game in completely the wrong way. He needs to stop caring about the result of an individual pot and start caring about making good decisions. Straight vs set on the flop is most likely a cooler, so who cares what the result is?

Tell him to download a program which can calculate EV winnings like Hold'em Manager. At least then he can shift his complaining from "getting sucked out on" to "running bad" =/

NeVeR

1352 Posts

December 16 2010 02:30 GMT

#18

It's easy to tell yourself to just focus on the long term and don't sweat the big downswings, but it can be a lot harder in practice, for me at least. Tilt is certainly my biggest flaw in poker, but I'm really trying to fix that. I've been playing less lately. Whenever I feel tilt incoming, I will just quit. Sometimes I also listen to calm, quiet, relaxing music while playing, and I've been starting to run somewhat regularly (though not as often as I'd like to).

This is what happened a few weeks ago in a long tilty session where I was continually getting it in with the best and losing over and over and over.

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I've still been too lazy to fix it.

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

December 16 2010 02:36 GMT

#19

Lol he's already going on another rage.

KwarK

United States44247 Posts

December 16 2010 03:18 GMT

#20

It's a matter of perspective. If you're 99% favourite and you win then you still got lucky, your EV of 99% of the pot has turned into 100% of the money. The idea of bad beats is just people not understanding statistics.