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Liquid Drone has many good points about the game. Tilts will happen no matter how much you know the game or odds. This is where I think consistency and being able to deal with tilt comes in.
I went from $1/2 NL cash games, had lots of success and thought it was time to play $2/$5. I got killed there and had to move back. As stakes go up, the style changes. You will notice that right away.
I still think that taking down $1/$2 or $2/$5 games is very possible using a consistent style of play. You will get the occasional donkey playing ridiculous hands, but playing cash games allows you to leave the table or sit out. You can't blame yourself for bad beats, and tilt hard and start hating the game. You must be able to know that shit happens and continue to play the way you do, as the math never lies. if you lose to a 1 outer, you lost to a 1 outer. It happens. You MUST STAY CONSISTENT.
One thing I disagree with drone slightly is saying that it's too late to play online poker to make money. I started playing micro stakes for fun the 1st year of college, and had success very quickly due to fast theory and mathematical aspects of the game. It's never too late to start playing, you will find out very quickly if you are able to handle the pressure and tilts that will inevitably occur and I think that's where most players just end up giving up or going broke. The dedication is for sure there to be able to be a solid, successful player, but moving out of the micro stakes to take down $1/$2 games is very possible, and assuming SNUGGLES just wants to play to make a couple hundred dollars for change, it's not really too late for him to start.
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The rich bad players will always be there, ALWAYS. If you don't take it someone else will, fuck, I WILL LOL.
-Rekrul
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Norway28878 Posts
yea if he just wants to make a couple hundred dollars absolutely. but assuming he can get a job, he'd make more from working, at least for the first year+.
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Yeah, I'm really just looking to make like say $50 at the end of the year or something like that lol. TBH I'll be pretty damn proud of myself if I manage to look back at my bankroll after a year to see it grow 2x or 3x its original size.
I think the process of building yourself into a decent poker player is good just for developing your character. I mean, I've already noticed how badly things can get with just the tiniest bit of tilt. If I can stamp that out, that means I'll most likely be able to make better decisions somewhere in life with that kind of mindset.
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Lets just say that in my first month, I made like $50 bucks and was up to $1000 by the 3rd month.
anything is possible with some dedication. A job really isn't worth it in college lol
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How do you even play poker online in USA?
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Norway28878 Posts
first of all, when did you start playing? poker was considerably easier two years ago than it is now, and significantly easier 2 years prior to that again.
second, 50 bucks from 1 month is significantly less than a job, and at least in norway, you make significantly more than $1000 from 3 months of part time jobbing as well. third, how many hours did you put in?
if your answers are 1: less than a year ago, 2: it was impossible for me to find a job that paid more than $6 per hour, 3: I only played poker like 4 hours a week, then you are exceptionally talented and or exceptionally lucky/variance never caught up.
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I started playing last September, so a little over a year
Player poker doesn't seem like work for me, I actually enjoy it and would much rather play and get some entertainment out of it than working some shitty minimum wage job and having to drive out there in like -40 weather.
I probably played around 10 hours a week, and the variance was there. During this period, I lost $200+ and such at casinos, but made it all back playing online.
There is many reasons why playing poker is better than working a part time job. so many reasons, I won't list them all but it's worth making a little less. Poker does not seem like work to me, as I enjoy it
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Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread but I'm curious about something.
I always notice that the people who are pretty good at poker don't want others to get into poker. I remember watching AskJoshy's interview with Khan. Khan said he wouldn't recommend people getting into poker.
I'm just wondering.. Is it really too late to get into online poker? Is it actually that difficult to get good at it?
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Best Tip - Learn and Play Omaha cash games if you want to win money. To make any money at holdem now you have to be very good and it's not worth it. It takes 30 minutes coaching to turn any holdem player into a small loser.
Reasons to Play Omaha
1. Weaker Players + More Fish - Always will be because it's harder to learn
2. More Fun
3. More Challenging
4. FewerCoolers
5. Money to be Made
Forget SNG's you will get bored of them quickly.
Other Tip - Your not as good as you think you are ever, especially when your winning and your not as bad as you think you are when your losing.
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On December 15 2010 09:11 yarders wrote:
Reasons to Play Omaha
1. Weaker Players + More Fish - Always will be because it's harder to learn
2. More Fun
3. More Challenging
4. FewerCoolers
5. Money to be Made
Yes there are weaker players
Yes it CAN be more fun, but it can also be some of the most AGONIZING poker ever if you are running bad
I find Omaha not as challenging, as I find it more of an equity game than a psychological game
Fewer coolers....lol
Money to be made, definitely
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1) I disagree with the guys saying don't use play money. Playing SnGs for play money at first is fine, you get a chance to learn the structure and you can practice playing tight. Yes, everyone is an idiot but it helps you to learn discipline and patience, which are probably the two most important skills you can develop as a beginner.
2) Having said that, playing cash games for play money is probably a waste of time. Real money 1cent/2cent games > the highest play money games as a learning experience.
3) If you are serious about playing for real money, read "The Poker Mindset" by Mathew Hilger or "Elements of Poker" by Tommy Angelo. Just do it. You will learn much more about what it actually means to play poker by reading these books than visiting any strategy forum or site.
4) Don't read anything written by Phil Hellmuth
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@Carthac
I take your point that it can be AGONIZING when you run bad but I think this will help a new player to gain discipline faster. It may also help them to decide if they really want to take poker on seriously.
Of course you can also run amazingly well. I once had a session where I was coaching a friend of mine at 25 PL Rush on FT (2tables) and we won 45 BI over the course of 4 hours, that was brilliant.
When I say there are fewer coolers what I mean is you rarely get it in where your crushed in PLO. Yes there is a lot of variance but again I think this helps discpline and you will become desensitised more quickly and your decision making will improve faster.
The bottom line is if you want to make money this is the way to go
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On December 15 2010 04:49 Divinek wrote:
1. dont use playmoney
2. take it slow and be very conscious of everything you do and why
3. tight son
4. Expect to lose money when you start out.
5. Don't get that "big win" get to you.
I deposited $30 into my account... Lost $12. Gained $14. Then lost $18 because I let that $14 win streak get to my head.  I don't plan to ever make a living off of this so I don't mind much. I do want to get better though.
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I finally made it through the bubble in a SnG with my friend coaching me on, and jeez... there's so much to learn...
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I also used poker to pay for college. Short and sweet, the best piece of advice has been laid out in front of you:
On December 15 2010 06:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
1: it's too late to start playing online poker now and expect to make a significant amount of money
The days of simply set mining and making 100$ an hour are way over. I started up in 2005 and even though the games back then were way easier than they are now, I still feel like I missed out by two or three years to really make a profit. Nowadays, the difficulty of games coupled with how hard poker sites rake the micro stakes makes it massively hard for newcomers to do anything worth their time.
Play for the fun of it and don't get attached. If it's money your after, your better off holding out your hat to strangers at your nearest street corner.
"Blah, blah, blah read this, blah blah, practice practice, blah blah, I made this amount over this amount of time." You'll hear this endlessly from players. No. They're not baller, there's thousands others like this who freely state how much they have made and will provide their progress history. Same shit, different day. Being proud of being a marginal winner at low and mid stakes is standard, and many players will post more to brag than to help, without realizing how atrociously simple it is over time to do this. I believe getting raw advice hard to find with poker.
Enjoy it and try not to fall into the mentality of "hell, I don't care what people say, I can beat the odds. I'm going to make some serious money!" If you can do that and play to learn, and most importantly have fun, then your already a winner in my book. Progression will slowly come, but just be aware how relative that progression is.
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