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In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
December 12 2010 22:06 GMT
#1
Hi guys, I've wanted to learn violin for a long time now but school and such has been taking up too much time so it never happened. I wanna get one so that if I ever have any extra spare time that I can start practicing, but I have no clue what is decent for a beginner. I don't want anything above $100. I want this strictly to learn the basics and if I decide to go further with it, then I'll think about getting a more expensive one. I've been looking on ebay and they have some $50-$75 ones that I've been looking at, and I'm hoping to get it at around this price range. Some come with a beginner handbook, case, strings, shoulder rest, etc... but I haven't a clue as to what the best deal I can get is. Any help TL?

I've been looking here: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=violins&_sacat=See-All-Categories

JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 22:16:42
December 12 2010 22:14 GMT
#2
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
December 12 2010 22:28 GMT
#3
On December 13 2010 07:14 JSH wrote:
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money


Well I just figured some cheap violins may give more/better stuff in addition to the violin itself.

But what is the store's name? And how much are they charging?
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 22:35:07
December 12 2010 22:34 GMT
#4
On December 13 2010 07:28 In)Spire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 07:14 JSH wrote:
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money


Well I just figured some cheap violins may give more/better stuff in addition to the violin itself.

But what is the store's name? And how much are they charging?


Ah well I worded that wrong, I knew a store where I lived where they had that policy
It was called Loft Violin Shop
I hope other violin stores near your place has that as well
Rent is around 20-25 dollars a month

To be honest, I don't know how those violins will sound
I am quite curious because I see that these new violins are selling for $25
and that is really really cheap
That's like toy cheap lol

I believe most stores will let you try out violins before you rent or buy
But if your learning to play, obviously that doesn't help much

I guess if you are just learning and want to have experience, buying a cheap violin wouldn't be a bad idea, since even renting will cost more after a while
But like I mentioned earlier, only problem I see with this is the quality of these cheap violins
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 23:08:33
December 12 2010 22:36 GMT
#5
If you want to pick up the violin, you might want to inquire about renting one at first. Shouldn't be too expensive, you get better quality (which might be less frustrating) and you are not forced to do anything with it. Apart from that, I'd probably find a teacher first and get his/her opinion on what kind of violin to get.
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JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
December 12 2010 22:39 GMT
#6
mm lessons I think are really really important in learning violin
Violin is hard to learn so I agree with what Aesop said in finding a teacher first

And asking your violin teacher on opinion for violin is a great idea
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
December 12 2010 22:40 GMT
#7
If you buy off ebay or any western store, for $50-$75, the violin is either a toy, or in poor condition. But you can get a decent violin from china for that price. What my mom does is whenever we have a relative that visits China, we get them to bring back a few violins. We get $300-$500 violins for roughly $100-$200 from China. If you have any connections that may be visiting China, you can get them to bring a violin back for you. Unfortunately, the only Chinese violin stores that ship international are quite expensive, so you have to buy it over there.
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
December 12 2010 22:40 GMT
#8
On December 13 2010 07:34 JSH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 07:28 In)Spire wrote:
On December 13 2010 07:14 JSH wrote:
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money


Well I just figured some cheap violins may give more/better stuff in addition to the violin itself.

But what is the store's name? And how much are they charging?


Ah well I worded that wrong, I knew a store where I lived where they had that policy
It was called Loft Violin Shop
I hope other violin stores near your place has that as well
Rent is around 20-25 dollars a month

To be honest, I don't know how those violins will sound
I am quite curious because I see that these new violins are selling for $25
and that is really really cheap
That's like toy cheap lol

I believe most stores will let you try out violins before you rent or buy
But if your learning to play, obviously that doesn't help much

I guess if you are just learning and want to have experience, buying a cheap violin wouldn't be a bad idea, since even renting will cost more after a while
But like I mentioned earlier, only problem I see with this is the quality of these cheap violins


I have no clue what that store is lol :[
Yeah, my friend told me that these cheaper ones would DEFINITELY sound WAYY worse than the more expensive ones. But I don't have $700-$1000 to spend on a violin atm lol. I figured it wouldn't be that big a deal since I just wanna learn the basics, but I don't wanna pass up on getting the best deal for a violin just because I wanted to get just some cheap one. Do you have any suggestions for some online?
Also, do you know anything about the 4/4, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 stuff? I know they're sizes but for what exactly?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 22:48:18
December 12 2010 22:46 GMT
#9
On December 13 2010 07:40 In)Spire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 07:34 JSH wrote:
On December 13 2010 07:28 In)Spire wrote:
On December 13 2010 07:14 JSH wrote:
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money


Well I just figured some cheap violins may give more/better stuff in addition to the violin itself.

But what is the store's name? And how much are they charging?


Ah well I worded that wrong, I knew a store where I lived where they had that policy
It was called Loft Violin Shop
I hope other violin stores near your place has that as well
Rent is around 20-25 dollars a month

To be honest, I don't know how those violins will sound
I am quite curious because I see that these new violins are selling for $25
and that is really really cheap
That's like toy cheap lol

I believe most stores will let you try out violins before you rent or buy
But if your learning to play, obviously that doesn't help much

I guess if you are just learning and want to have experience, buying a cheap violin wouldn't be a bad idea, since even renting will cost more after a while
But like I mentioned earlier, only problem I see with this is the quality of these cheap violins


I have no clue what that store is lol :[
Yeah, my friend told me that these cheaper ones would DEFINITELY sound WAYY worse than the more expensive ones. But I don't have $700-$1000 to spend on a violin atm lol. I figured it wouldn't be that big a deal since I just wanna learn the basics, but I don't wanna pass up on getting the best deal for a violin just because I wanted to get just some cheap one. Do you have any suggestions for some online?
Also, do you know anything about the 4/4, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 stuff? I know they're sizes but for what exactly?


If you have the arm length of a typical adult, you should be getting a 4/4.

I would advise against getting a super cheap violin because although they can teach you how to play, they will not sound good at all, and if you're not producing good music, it's not going to motivate you to learn more violin.

EDIT: Another suggestion is to find a teacher. A lot of violin teachers carry violins that they lend to students. My mom's a violin teacher and we have around 50 violins sitting in our basement. This way you can learn and play violin without having to purchase one.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 12 2010 22:50 GMT
#10
On December 13 2010 07:40 In)Spire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 07:34 JSH wrote:
On December 13 2010 07:28 In)Spire wrote:
On December 13 2010 07:14 JSH wrote:
Violins are very expensive...
If your buying a violin that is between 50-75 dollars, I doubt it will make much of a difference in which one you buy

Unless the seller is extremely stupid and is selling a really really good violin for a ridiculously cheap price

If you want, I know some stores allow you to rent a violin and every monthly fee is added towards credit towards your violin, so if you decide to stick to it and purchase it, you haven't just wasted your money


Well I just figured some cheap violins may give more/better stuff in addition to the violin itself.

But what is the store's name? And how much are they charging?


Ah well I worded that wrong, I knew a store where I lived where they had that policy
It was called Loft Violin Shop
I hope other violin stores near your place has that as well
Rent is around 20-25 dollars a month

To be honest, I don't know how those violins will sound
I am quite curious because I see that these new violins are selling for $25
and that is really really cheap
That's like toy cheap lol

I believe most stores will let you try out violins before you rent or buy
But if your learning to play, obviously that doesn't help much

I guess if you are just learning and want to have experience, buying a cheap violin wouldn't be a bad idea, since even renting will cost more after a while
But like I mentioned earlier, only problem I see with this is the quality of these cheap violins


I have no clue what that store is lol :[
Yeah, my friend told me that these cheaper ones would DEFINITELY sound WAYY worse than the more expensive ones. But I don't have $700-$1000 to spend on a violin atm lol. I figured it wouldn't be that big a deal since I just wanna learn the basics, but I don't wanna pass up on getting the best deal for a violin just because I wanted to get just some cheap one. Do you have any suggestions for some online?
Also, do you know anything about the 4/4, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 stuff? I know they're sizes but for what exactly?


$700-1000 is still beginner violin price; classical instruments are fuckingggggg expensive. you don't need to worry about size of the violin as long as you're an adult. i really do not recommend buying instruments online, because you absolutely have to try them out in person. i would start with finding a teacher in your area and asking their advice on where to rent and stuff, since they'll probably know the decent music stores in the area that will give you the best deals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
December 12 2010 23:03 GMT
#11
If you want, I can speak to my mom and see if she can sell any violins. I strongly advise against buying a violin from a music store or an online store, simply because there's a huge disparity between how much they sell violins for and how much the violin is actually worth. Plus, you don't get any guarantees on the quality of the violin.
eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
December 12 2010 23:09 GMT
#12
Oh man, be careful. For some reason, when I was around 12, I was like, "derp, derp, I wanna learn violin", so I bought one, and tried to teach myself the basics, and it was just not happening. I could barely get the resin on the strings. If you're going to try it, you definitely should take lessons. Different story with other instruments.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11579 Posts
December 12 2010 23:33 GMT
#13
classical instruments are super super expensive. especially violins, violas, cellos, and basses. i played the cello for 7 years, and own two. one costs about $600 and another costs near $2,000. Both of which are 'beginner' cellos. People who play professionally can own an instrument that is in the upper 6 figures, and sometimes 7.

I strongly urge you to rent one. As playing a stringed instrument with a bow is much more difficult than it is to say pick up a guitar and learn a few chords. For instance, there are no frets so finger placement is much more crucial.

If anything, if you go to a college, see if they have a music department and if anything ask if you can audit a beginners class.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 12 2010 23:40 GMT
#14
People who play professionally can own an instrument that is in the upper 6 figures, and sometimes 7.

Yeah, but isn't that 100% marketing gimmick? Like a musician will list that they use a Stradivarius, which obviously helps to sell his or her records since people will look at the album and say 'hey, a stradivarius' but really you have to be pretty dumb to think there is any expertise/labour/parts that would make it sound better than a regular violin. For someone who isn't planning on selling albums I don't think it's very important, but I don't know much!
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
December 12 2010 23:48 GMT
#15
I really recommend a Stradivarius violin. They are very well built, the sound they make is exquisite, and their resale value increases with age. Only bad thing is that they're really hard to find. I'd try craigslist. I think the last one sold at auction for something like $3 million so be prepared to break open the piggy bank.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
December 12 2010 23:49 GMT
#16
Rent rent rentity rent.

@Chef I play bassoon, and I can say that there are certainly major tonal qualities you get in the 10k plus range.
Stenstyren
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden619 Posts
December 12 2010 23:53 GMT
#17
Be aware that it takes time to learn the violin. I practiced for two years before I got it to sound half decent and this was with a teacher once a week. Sure, I did not practice as much as I could have but it will take time before you can play anything that remotely impresses your friends.

Violin is very rewarding when you know it though since it's quite a rare instrument and you learn all the basics of music when you learn violin. A guitar player knows his chords but you will know the entire system behind music and this translates beautifully if you ever want to learn another instrument.

I would buy a cheap violin and practice on that for a year or so, you will be so bad that it won't matter what violin you are using. If you think it's fun and want to continue, consider dumping $1000 or so on it, it will be well worth it. I recently tried to play on my old beginner-violin and it sounded horrible but when a friend of mine tried both of my violins I could hardly hear any difference since he was so bad anyway:D
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
December 13 2010 00:02 GMT
#18
On December 13 2010 08:40 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
People who play professionally can own an instrument that is in the upper 6 figures, and sometimes 7.

Yeah, but isn't that 100% marketing gimmick? Like a musician will list that they use a Stradivarius, which obviously helps to sell his or her records since people will look at the album and say 'hey, a stradivarius' but really you have to be pretty dumb to think there is any expertise/labour/parts that would make it sound better than a regular violin. For someone who isn't planning on selling albums I don't think it's very important, but I don't know much!


as someone who played violin for over 10 years, I, and anyone else who plays seriously, will tell you there is definitely a difference in the quality of sound produced by a $100, $5,000 or Stradivarius violin there is a good reason why they are essentially "priceless", because the secret to making them has been lost, although you can spend a lot of money and get a reasonably good imitation. of course, in the end, the violinist matters much more than the violin -- someone like Joshua Bell or Itzhak Perlman can make a hundred dollar student violin sound pretty amazing
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 00:15:54
December 13 2010 00:14 GMT
#19
On December 13 2010 09:02 zzaaxxsscd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 08:40 Chef wrote:
People who play professionally can own an instrument that is in the upper 6 figures, and sometimes 7.

Yeah, but isn't that 100% marketing gimmick? Like a musician will list that they use a Stradivarius, which obviously helps to sell his or her records since people will look at the album and say 'hey, a stradivarius' but really you have to be pretty dumb to think there is any expertise/labour/parts that would make it sound better than a regular violin. For someone who isn't planning on selling albums I don't think it's very important, but I don't know much!


as someone who played violin for over 10 years, I, and anyone else who plays seriously, will tell you there is definitely a difference in the quality of sound produced by a $100, $5,000 or Stradivarius violin there is a good reason why they are essentially "priceless", because the secret to making them has been lost, although you can spend a lot of money and get a reasonably good imitation. of course, in the end, the violinist matters much more than the violin -- someone like Joshua Bell or Itzhak Perlman can make a hundred dollar student violin sound pretty amazing


Just to add to that, there's a pretty big difference between a half million dollar violin and a multi-million dollar violin.
Is it actually worth that much? That's up to you. But I wouldn't dismiss it as a marketing gimmick, they actually do sound noticeably better..

I highly recommend not buying a violin on the internet! Even if it's just a cheap one, it's always nice to see it in person before you buy it. Also renting is pro. Find a teacher! Violin isn't really a pick-up instrument because it's not very natural to play.
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
December 13 2010 00:22 GMT
#20
Rent one, and find a private tutor. Learning a classical instrument is extremely hard to do by yourself.

If you live in the Los Angeles area, I can recommend some shops and people that will tutor you for cheap and sell you cheap violins
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