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On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's.
Sure it's okay to do so - in fact I'm a student at UC Berkeley and write papers using my own arguments all the time. However in many cases it's simply easier and safer to go with the obvious route. And when maintaining a high GPA is the bottom line for getting into higher education, it's always a good strategy to defend the professor's viewpoint rather than run against it.
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Bah. I don't know. I myself didn't care too much about my grades, so I had fun with essays (in high school; korean colleges don't ask you to write a goddamn thing with words). My high school was one of those where you could argue with the teachers all you wanted (outside of class time, as to not bother the other students), so I ended up reasonably happy.
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On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's.
Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history.
On November 13 2010 16:29 FC.Strike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:20 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:17 FC.Strike wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Why would you do that? Going severely against the grain is a high risk/low reward option. The only thing you get is the satisfaction that you're more clever than your peers (which is a moot point if you end up getting a significantly worse grade). I've said it once and I'll say it again: The classroom is not a place to attempt to forward your own agenda. At best it's a feeble passive aggressive way to forward your thoughts which won't make any difference at all. At worst you jeopardize the future you're trying to create for yourself. My own agenda? I suppose you think I'm against stay at home dads or something? It was a grade 10 anthropology and sociology class. I followed the instructions exactly and presented evidence showing the opposite of what was assumed to be the correct answer. The assignment was: I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So um... answer the question? Many issues can easily be argued from both points of view - in fact on debate teams many times you're not even allowed to pick your stance. It's chosen for you and you have to defend it whether or not you agree with it. The fact that you came up with a (from what you're saying) valid counterargument does not change the fact that you didn't properly answer the question. I mean it was grade 10 so wtv, but I seriously get confused by people who seem to glorify the "go against what the assignment is asking for / what my teacher thinks is right" philosophy.
What my teacher thought was right didn't have much to do with my decision. I saw the images and reached a conclusion about them. The fact that she didn't want to entertain my conclusion despite it being relevant is the problem. If the assignment had been explicitly to find pictures of men doing things traditionally thought of as the domain of women and vice versa then my assignment would have been different.
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Assignment: Give and support reasons why Y is greater than X. If you turned in a paper why X is greater than Y don't you think you're not going to get a 10/10?
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Learn to play the game. Short of being a total suck up, just show him what he wants to see. Knowing what your boss/teacher wants is a valuable skill well beyond high school. Involving other people will only increase his bias against you. It doesn't help that it seems like you are already a fairly poor/average student before this paper.
That said, your teacher seems like a douche. Kind of reminds me of a teacher my freshman year of HS who gave me a C purely based on poor handwriting (wtf?).
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On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right.
Yes. Your teacher specifically asked you to find pictures from a magazine that show western society moving away from traditional gender roles. Instead of going through magazines and finding what your teacher had asked for, you decided (based on the magazines you had checked out) that you would turn in the exact opposite what was asked of you. Why the fuck would you think you deserve any points for that?
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On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's. Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history.
The Instruction:
On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles.
What you did:
On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
You were asked to find support for argument 'A'
You found support for the opposite argument 'B'
How is this not a failure to follow instructions?
Naturally if your instructions were to find pictures then give an independent analysis, then you're fine. But the initial instructions doesn't seem to allow that at all. But maybe I'm just naive :/
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On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's. Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history. Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:29 FC.Strike wrote:On November 13 2010 16:20 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:17 FC.Strike wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Why would you do that? Going severely against the grain is a high risk/low reward option. The only thing you get is the satisfaction that you're more clever than your peers (which is a moot point if you end up getting a significantly worse grade). I've said it once and I'll say it again: The classroom is not a place to attempt to forward your own agenda. At best it's a feeble passive aggressive way to forward your thoughts which won't make any difference at all. At worst you jeopardize the future you're trying to create for yourself. My own agenda? I suppose you think I'm against stay at home dads or something? It was a grade 10 anthropology and sociology class. I followed the instructions exactly and presented evidence showing the opposite of what was assumed to be the correct answer. The assignment was: I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So um... answer the question? Many issues can easily be argued from both points of view - in fact on debate teams many times you're not even allowed to pick your stance. It's chosen for you and you have to defend it whether or not you agree with it. The fact that you came up with a (from what you're saying) valid counterargument does not change the fact that you didn't properly answer the question. I mean it was grade 10 so wtv, but I seriously get confused by people who seem to glorify the "go against what the assignment is asking for / what my teacher thinks is right" philosophy. What my teacher thought was right didn't have much to do with my decision. I saw the images and reached a conclusion about them. The fact that she didn't want to entertain my conclusion despite it being relevant is the problem. If the assignment had been explicitly to find pictures of men doing things traditionally thought of as the domain of women and vice versa then my assignment would have been different.
I swear some people enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing.
My point: You should probably search for evidence and draw conclusions which support what the assignment is asking for, and preferably in line with what your professor's own views are in order to maximize your expected point value.
Your point: I drew conclusions contrary to the assigned topic and decided to write about my own conclusions rather than find evidence in support of the topic. My teacher got angry at me because I did that.
I guess we're in agreement then? This isn't even worth discussing.
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On November 13 2010 16:50 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's. Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history. The Instruction: Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. What you did: Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
You were asked to find support for argument 'A' You found support for the opposite argument 'B' How is this not a failure to follow instructions? Naturally if your instructions were to find pictures then give an independent analysis, then you're fine. But the initial instructions don't give that type of notion at all. But maybe I'm just naive :/
You might be right if there was an argument A in the description of the assignment, but as far as I remember there was not. The images I used met the criteria and as the assignment involved a presentation I made clear my reasons for believing that they met the criteria.
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On November 13 2010 16:52 FC.Strike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's. Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history. On November 13 2010 16:29 FC.Strike wrote:On November 13 2010 16:20 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:17 FC.Strike wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Why would you do that? Going severely against the grain is a high risk/low reward option. The only thing you get is the satisfaction that you're more clever than your peers (which is a moot point if you end up getting a significantly worse grade). I've said it once and I'll say it again: The classroom is not a place to attempt to forward your own agenda. At best it's a feeble passive aggressive way to forward your thoughts which won't make any difference at all. At worst you jeopardize the future you're trying to create for yourself. My own agenda? I suppose you think I'm against stay at home dads or something? It was a grade 10 anthropology and sociology class. I followed the instructions exactly and presented evidence showing the opposite of what was assumed to be the correct answer. The assignment was: I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So um... answer the question? Many issues can easily be argued from both points of view - in fact on debate teams many times you're not even allowed to pick your stance. It's chosen for you and you have to defend it whether or not you agree with it. The fact that you came up with a (from what you're saying) valid counterargument does not change the fact that you didn't properly answer the question. I mean it was grade 10 so wtv, but I seriously get confused by people who seem to glorify the "go against what the assignment is asking for / what my teacher thinks is right" philosophy. What my teacher thought was right didn't have much to do with my decision. I saw the images and reached a conclusion about them. The fact that she didn't want to entertain my conclusion despite it being relevant is the problem. If the assignment had been explicitly to find pictures of men doing things traditionally thought of as the domain of women and vice versa then my assignment would have been different. I swear some people enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing. My point: You should probably search for evidence and draw conclusions which support what the assignment is asking for, and preferably in line with what your professor's own views are in order to maximize your expected point value. Your point: I drew conclusions contrary to the assigned topic and decided to write about my own conclusions rather than find evidence in support of the topic. My teacher got angry at me because I did that. I guess we're in agreement then? This isn't even worth discussing.
I wouldn't say that my conclusions were contrary to the assigned topic but they were probably contrary to the theme being built around the topic. Aside from that, sure, I agree. But fortunately I've never had a problem with grades so there was never a reason for me to not do what I thought was the right thing.
Edit: Before someone posts some uppity nonsense about my use of the phrase "do what I thought was the right thing", what I meant was more or less "pursue what I thought was the correct line of reasoning".
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On November 13 2010 16:13 FC.Strike wrote:
Students (especially in university) fail to understand that the classroom is not a place to passive-aggressively forward their own agenda through papers.
If your plan is higher education the bottom line is that you need the grades to lay the foundation for a strong application. Nobody cares how "brilliant" you are if your professor decides to flunk you because he disagreed with what you wrote.
Life isn't fair - you either set yourself up for guaranteed success or you take a risk. To those who decide to take that risk, whether due to an overinflated ego, sheer stubbornness, or any other factor: You can't complain when things don't quite work out as expected.
This makes me throw up but its so goddamn true and there is nothing to do about it. You just have to figure teachers out and tell them what they want to hear otherwise you'll never get good grades. Your "opinion" has to prove that the teachers point of view is right.
Now, this teacher was obviously someone that hated technology.
This is it, work on this and he will jerk of to your papers in no time.
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On November 13 2010 15:06 Hakker wrote:
Sup TL, just venting here.
contemporary issues teacher
goes home at night and listens to the radio, as he doesn't own a TV or computer
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On November 13 2010 16:56 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 16:50 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right. Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong? I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's. Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history. The Instruction: On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. What you did: On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.
You were asked to find support for argument 'A' You found support for the opposite argument 'B' How is this not a failure to follow instructions? Naturally if your instructions were to find pictures then give an independent analysis, then you're fine. But the initial instructions don't give that type of notion at all. But maybe I'm just naive :/ You might be right if there was an argument A in the description of the assignment, but as far as I remember there was not. The images I used met the criteria and as the assignment involved a presentation I made clear my reasons for believing that they met the criteria.
He did mention the criteria for the paper towards the end. I imagine it's right since the OP didn't complain about the teacher changing the topic...anyways.
He says "It was supposed to convince the reader to fear for their safety on the internet...
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As a general comment - it's really important to read the question carefully, and make sure you are answering what it's asking. If you are discussing something that answering the question does not require, cut it. It's taking up words, using up precious words you need to write things on point. Similarly, if there are marking criteria available, read them carefully and be sure to address each in the answer you write.
Producing a well-researched, articulate essay is great. If you can do that of course it's evidence of your skill. But you can still fail an assignment even with a brilliant piece of writing, if you aren't addressing/answering the question.
I don't know if that is what happened to you here. But it's good general advice. (Especially for exams.) Your first step should always be to analyze the question.
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yo, tracking cookies and profiles != targeted advertisements. a la google adwords etc.
Targeted adverts show images designed around what your searchwords are for to display ads similar or related to what was searched for.
Tracking cookies and profiles and the like are more designed to trace where you are going and have been such that people can steal information and shit from you.
Also Mcdonalds guy clearly didn't follow the assignment. Traditional gender roles have nothing to do with being sexualized or hyper-sexualized. Remember, traditionally women were in the kitchen or in bed right? Where you thought you were meeting the assignment requirements you were actually proving the exact wrong point. PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SEXUALIZED, increasingly so as time goes on. Imagewise you just continued the trend that has been happening for years, where the point of the assignment was to show people bucking the trend.
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On November 13 2010 16:43 cskalias.pbe wrote:
That said, your teacher seems like a douche. Kind of reminds me of a teacher my freshman year of HS who gave me a C purely based on poor handwriting (wtf?). As a TA/Grad student, marking assignments with poor handwriting is one of the most annoying things to do. Further, since I'm in Math, the kids with terrible handwriting tend to make errors and then I have to track them down amongst a ton of scribbles adfasdfasdf
Super annoying.
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On November 13 2010 15:06 Hakker wrote:
Now, this teacher was obviously someone that hated technology. He spends entire classes ranting about how computers are ruining our world and the internet and video games are turning our generation into potatoes. He refuses to use the projectors in class, he makes us list a minimum of 5 book sources and limits us to 1 internet source. He tells us how he goes home at night and listens to the radio, as he doesn't own a TV or computer.
so u knew he hated technology and u still picked an article about it and then ur mad that u got a bad grade? there is an old wise man saying, dont kick a sleeping bear. in this case the bear is ur professor. and this bear really hates technology, and b4 he went 2 sleep he asked u 2 pick an article 2 write a paper on. would u pick a bad paper? of course not.
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I know when you are given an open topic, you really want to write what you are passionate about or what you want people to know. But this is school work and all school is, is a grade. You need to write to achieve that high grade. It might be a broken system but you have to work that system to work for you. Many times I've written on the opposite viewpoint on a topic even though I objected it because I knew my argument would be stronger and that my teacher would be biased toward that argument. Make it easier for your teachers to grade your work and they will give you an higher grade more easily.
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On November 13 2010 20:36 baller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 15:06 Hakker wrote:
Now, this teacher was obviously someone that hated technology. He spends entire classes ranting about how computers are ruining our world and the internet and video games are turning our generation into potatoes. He refuses to use the projectors in class, he makes us list a minimum of 5 book sources and limits us to 1 internet source. He tells us how he goes home at night and listens to the radio, as he doesn't own a TV or computer. so u knew he hated technology and u still picked an article about it and then ur mad that u got a bad grade? there is an old wise man saying, dont kick a sleeping bear. in this case the bear is ur professor. and this bear really hates technology, and b4 he went 2 sleep he asked u 2 pick an article 2 write a paper on. would u pick a bad paper? of course not.
lmao, baller to save the day.
i really hate this new generation of kids; hipsters, who try to have a superior point of view
by trying to do things that are paradox, instead of trying to understand the theory behind it.
the professor in this story has a point, this generation is turning into potatoheads.
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Seriously? I mean normally i'm all for doing what it takes to get a good mark, heck i even copied assignments from past years because they were too lazy to change the assignments each year, but to mark down a student based on a difference of opinion is just not right. As long as the evidence they provided is good and not some crackpot made up on the spot BS (for example, 'intelligent design'), there is no reason to mark down that student.
Well reasoned and fleshed out arguments should be rewarded, not brought down cause you're a stubborn asshole who can't accept that someone else has a different opinion on an issue.
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