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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
November 13 2010 14:19 GMT
#41
Hakker would you mind telling us about word-for-word what ur assignment was? It isn't clear to me yet.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 16:29:40
November 13 2010 16:20 GMT
#42
After taking an English class for a general education requirement I realized that the writing classes you take aren't exactly so you can think of your own opinion when your professor gives you his topics but to see how well you follow directions. If you want to write a paper on what you want to write about or your interpretation of the assignment you can just write another paper after the assignment. I realized its just better to go to his office hours after to find out exactly what he is looking for in each assignment.

Not really directed at you op but I really think a lot of rants on teachers/professors are unjustified. People expect themselves to breeze through classes with no effort and when they don't put in the effort blame the professor.
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
November 13 2010 16:50 GMT
#43
Meh. You shouldn't have to personally visit the instructor for clarification on what the assignment is. If he didn't specify a particular detail, you use your own judgement. If the assignment is unclear, then the guy shouldn't be instructing an English class.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 16:54:17
November 13 2010 16:52 GMT
#44
lol
you learn quick that there exist profs that don't care about reading good papers but only care about reading how right they are
i remember a paper i had to write.. on ANY topic. a persuasive paper that was meant to convince the reader of something. no other restrictions. i wrote on why marijuana should be legalized. boy was that a mistake. the funny part is i was naive and spent quite some time arguing why my arguments were solid and the paper was well-written but it was like talking to a wall. haven't failed a paper since then


edit @bdares above, that's another great way to fail an assignment. if you're unsure, you ask, you don't invent shit and expect your prof to agree with what you've invented. i've learned that one too.
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
November 13 2010 17:00 GMT
#45
o.O you shouldn't be unsure, is my point. If the professor can't make himself clear in English, he shouldn't be teaching an English class. It's possible that your own English is poor enough that you don't understand, in which case by all means go ask him.

Possibly you failed the persuasive paper because you failed to persuade him on the topic you wrote about
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 17:12:18
November 13 2010 17:08 GMT
#46
if the prof isn't making himself clear, he shouldn't be teaching an english class. sure i agree with that. but the fact of the matter is he is teaching the class and he will be marking your assignment so your excuse of "it didnt specify you wanted X so i did Y instead" isn't good enough

and yes, without going into details, i definitely didn't persuade my prof that marijuana should be legalized. the paper itself was well-written though. certainly not worth a failing grade, especially considering i've written much shitter papers later on that ended up getting 90% just because i was writing what i knew the prof would like reading. fun times
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28914 Posts
November 13 2010 17:18 GMT
#47
now, I'm not going to comment too specificly on any particular named incident here as I do not know enough details about any of them, but from a teacher's perspective I will say one thing ;
do your assignments as you are assigned to do them. grading / evaluating is sometimes a real bitch, one of the problems is that when you are grading multiple assignments you normally need to grade them from some common criteria, otherwise it becomes impossible to accurately distinguish between assignments. if two, or ten, students write about the same topic, it is not that hard to get a feeling of whom deserves a better grade of the students depending on the quality of the papers - but if one student decides to take an entirely different perspective from every other student, that student suddenly requires that the teacher makes a new list of criterias from which he calculates that student's evaluation/grade, and he loses the ability to compare it to other papers.

and in that event, it is very common for teachers to sort of, take the middle ground. "this is a good paper - but you didn't answer the intended question, thus you lose out on some of the grade you could potentially have gotten, however I also want to reward you for your work thus you still get a decent grade" (whereas if you pull the same stunt on a university exam, you might fail it entirely. )

normally, at least in norway, if a student consistently works well and has good grades through the year, and during one test or text he decides to take a different perspective from what was intented, he or she (incidentially though, this is normally done by a "he") will get a worse grade on that text or test, but that text or test will also to some degree be disregarded from the final grading process. (depending on how important it was of course - meaning that it's even more important that you don't pull any stunt like this during your midterms. )
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
November 13 2010 17:30 GMT
#48
Well Im gonna assume you typed it. So why dont you just post your assignment online along with the marking criteria and let TL dissect it or give you tips?
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
November 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#49
I think some people are missing the point in the gender role paper. He is saying that that the traditional gender is A. And the gender roles are moving from A to B instead of C, where C is the answer the teacher was expecting. Both B and C are moving away from A, so therefore he did do the assignment correctly.
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AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
November 13 2010 21:51 GMT
#50
On November 13 2010 23:19 3FFA wrote:
Hakker would you mind telling us about word-for-word what ur assignment was? It isn't clear to me yet.


I would like this too... it's hard for me to relate to you and your rage if the actual assignment he gave was exactly what he told you after you got your paper back... then you just didn't follow directions. However if his assignment mentioned nothing about that then he is just a dick, UNLESS your paper sucked regardless... upload your paper and give an exactly wording of the original assignment...
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32160 Posts
November 13 2010 22:04 GMT
#51
post the article he made you read and post your paper. im sure it will be real obvious why you got the grade you did

On November 13 2010 16:56 McDonalds wrote:
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On November 13 2010 16:50 lvatural wrote:
On November 13 2010 16:40 McDonalds wrote:
On November 13 2010 16:28 lvatural wrote:
On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles. So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.

Teacher bitched and moaned about how I didn't do the assignment right.


Well if your assignment was to choose pictures that show that society is moving away from traditional gender roles...and you did the exact opposite...of course you did the assignment wrong?

I disagree w/ Strike and find that it's alright to voice your own perspective on things if the professor/teacher gives you a paper where you have the discretion to do so (which is usually not only allowed but encouraged on most liberal campuses). As long as the tone of your paper is genuine and sincere, then it's highly unlikely that you're going to get strongly dinged for voicing a viewpoint that stands on the opposite spectrum of your prof's.

Your interpretation is naive. Draw a line and put two dots on it at some distance from each other. The expectation was that we would find images showing the dots closer together. What I found were images showing the dots further apart. Traditional western gender roles aren't at the extreme ends of a spectrum. Body image is being distorted in a way that simply has not occurred at any other point in history.


The Instruction:
On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
I was once instructed to find pictures from magazines showing that western society is moving away from traditional gender roles.


What you did:
On November 13 2010 16:13 McDonalds wrote:
So I picked images that showed that we are really moving away from gender norms in the opposite direction in that both women and men are becoming hypersexualized.


You were asked to find support for argument 'A'
You found support for the opposite argument 'B'
How is this not a failure to follow instructions?


Naturally if your instructions were to find pictures then give an independent analysis, then you're fine. But the initial instructions don't give that type of notion at all. But maybe I'm just naive :/

You might be right if there was an argument A in the description of the assignment, but as far as I remember there was not. The images I used met the criteria and as the assignment involved a presentation I made clear my reasons for believing that they met the criteria.


how the hell are you still arguing something that's just wrong right off the bat? not only in being 'hypersexualized' just one very small part of gender norms, what the hell does that mean, youre moving the opposite way in that your teacher sees???
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 13 2010 22:16 GMT
#52
I remember in highschool, one of my friend wrote an essay on how in today's world, men are being treated far less well than women in an English class taught by a teacher who is well-known to be a hardcore feminist. He still got an A.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 13 2010 22:25 GMT
#53
My view on high school teachers have never changed ever since I went through it myself. For the most part (and I'm giving it a rough fraction of 4/5), high school teachers are people who failed at getting into a respectable career in their specialization/field but have good connections in teachers' union so they take their failure into schools and teach kids.

Honestly, how many teachers can you identify as "loves teaching, cares for students, and knows what he/she is talking about most of the time?" Probably much less than half the staff. At least here in Canada, teaching is a damn secure job with lots of benefits and the security/income/benefit stack up with years (i.e. seniority) NOT job performance. Naturally, those failures (teachers) sit their asses on their comfortable job and churn out more failure students.

So yeah. Don't be so discouraged, I'd advise you to keep your opinions alive but save them for the times when you're not graded for it. High school - just flow with the system and get high marks.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
November 14 2010 00:47 GMT
#54
Wow that teacher seems really biased. But to be honest, if he's THAT fucked up (minimum 5 book sources, 1 internet source max? lmao) then it would have been most prudent to just play his game
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
November 14 2010 00:59 GMT
#55
On November 14 2010 09:47 writer22816 wrote:
Wow that teacher seems really biased. But to be honest, if he's THAT fucked up (minimum 5 book sources, 1 internet source max? lmao) then it would have been most prudent to just play his game

5 book refs and 1 int max sounds very normal actually from what I remember, they don't want kids being lazy and just googling and getting the same 6 internet sources from everyone.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
November 14 2010 01:46 GMT
#56
If you think HS teachers are bad (as stupidly biased and narrow-minded), just wait for college... you'll get a degree in inverse psychology and human manipulation instead of whatever you are really supposed to learn. Now I know this isn't constructive but oh well student life is hard, specially if you care about something more than partying and mating, or if you work at same time. To not make of this a useless rant my advice for you is to adapt to teachers and do what they want the way they want. So if your teacher likes his letters taking a week to arrive to the adressee and spending days searching through the libraries for a book to gather some information, act like you liked it too and show it in your work. This way you'll have high grades without too much effort. Of course this method makes you anything but learn, but hey, this is how the educational system works. A nice wicked metaphor of society I guess. Otherwise, you can try to fight back and try to impose your point of view. I don't recommend that. You'll be head-butting against a wall. Personal experience. The teacher has the virtual power in educational system's hierarchy.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 02:25:48
November 14 2010 02:23 GMT
#57
Wow, epic fail OP - you think high school is about arguing well for your cause?

It is - if you don't care for perfect grades, in that case you're fighting a loosing battle.

High schools entire system is based on you being able to find what the teacher wants and providing him/her with that. It's a valuable lesson for which you'll have use all your life.

It's not about sucking up - unless you're weak - in that case sucking up works too, what it's really about is utilizing your social analytical skills well enough to understand what will be desired/required.

In this case it's extremely easy to see what the teacher wants i mean come on - you've already written it down in your post! You should have just written some eloquent regurgitated garbage portraying the internet as a threat to our privacy and a mind numbing drug for the proletariat spelling the death of diversity in backgrounds among future intellectuals and the rise of a homogenized elite of thinkers as inbred in thought as the Romanovs in blood.
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