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Ok I thought it was clear from the quote that the high schooler that is quoted is from Afghanistan and not from my school district.
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'Here's a quote from today's school newspaper:
"We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning.'
Yup, it's very clear. It clearly states the word 'Afghanistan' there.
Oh wait...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
well im gonna write The Life & Times of BlackJack just so i can burn it!!!
the book is about you btw!!!
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what bothers me isn't the burning, but the fact that people are making a big deal of it 
people are silly
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On September 08 2010 08:02 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Jesus people do not have the right to not be offended. Its pretty sickening that people assumed BlackJacks some kind of racist because he has issues with Islam, and Muslims violent response to any slight against there religion. You can have issues with a religion without being some kind of bigot. I'm sure some at the book burning will indeed be bigots but that's there own problem, and should not invalidate Blackjacks reason for being there. A climate of fear where people are afraid to show or do anything that could be perceived as offensive to the Islamic world exists. Do to the violent reprisal of Muslims at such actions. Its seen in General Petreus statements, and its seen in this very threads responses. Blackjack will not limit his own rights just so he can not offend other peoples sensibilities, and I applaud him.
It's probably a result of most Muslims being dark skinned and a lot of citics of Islam being racists that any criticism of Islam is seen as bigotry. However it's okay to say anything you want about those evangelical rednecks on this forum. Like I said, it's a double standard created by people that want to be so politically correct that they are too ignorant to see that treating criticism of Islam differently than criticism of Christianity is prejudice.
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On September 08 2010 08:11 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 08:08 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 07:59 supernovamaniac wrote:On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:
Here's a quote from today's school newspaper:
"We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning. I'm sorry, but is the entire school district somewhat stupid or is the church your school district? And a movement by a small church is what the government wants to do? Psh. I can post a Gretech rage thread here, and then argue that it is the will of the American government to punish Blizzard for what they have done to e-Sports. On September 08 2010 07:58 BlackJack wrote:
Lol like this is the first time they have burned American flags? Get real, buddy. Lol like this is the first time Americans tried to burn Quran? Get real, buddy. Actually I should clarify. The school newspaper is no longer affiliated with the school. It's the largest run student newspaper in the country. And that article I was quoting was actually an AP article that was printed in the newspaper. So suffice it to say I have no idea what point you were trying to make there. Well, given your level of intelligence, you probably won't get it.
On September 08 2010 07:25 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 06:48 cz wrote:On September 08 2010 06:47 Jibba wrote:On September 08 2010 06:39 cz wrote:
I want to see them go ahead with it just to show that it's allowed in this country and riots in the Muslim world don't change that. Nobody will get hurt unless the adherents of the "religion of peace" are the ones doing it. That's not entirely true. If the intent is to intimidate, it may very well be illegal just as cross burning can be. Also, there are far better ways to promote freedom of speech than book/cross burning. If it's illegal THAT is a serious issue. People should be able to burn whatever they want, holy book or not my entire house. Just because it's a special book to you doesn't mean the rest of the country has to follow your religious teachings (regarding the book itself) because it clearly shows that I do not care about other people's religion. That is one of the basic legal idiotic principles that the United States is built upon, and that is why I partially want to see this burning happen: as a demonstration that it still holds true that the idea it self is stupid and promotes racism/outcry across the world, rather than a speech of freedom, no matter how intimidating or violently responsive Muslims are. Fixed. If you want to join the burning, it's up to you. I'm not going to try to stop someone from promoting outcry in other countries; some people never understand what they are up to.
All you have done in this thread is take cheap shots and insult people. Please post something worthwhile.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 08 2010 08:17 InToTheWannaB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 08:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On September 08 2010 08:08 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 07:59 supernovamaniac wrote:On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:
Here's a quote from today's school newspaper:
"We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning. I'm sorry, but is the entire school district somewhat stupid or is the church your school district? And a movement by a small church is what the government wants to do? Psh. I can post a Gretech rage thread here, and then argue that it is the will of the American government to punish Blizzard for what they have done to e-Sports. On September 08 2010 07:58 BlackJack wrote:
Lol like this is the first time they have burned American flags? Get real, buddy. Lol like this is the first time Americans tried to burn Quran? Get real, buddy. Actually I should clarify. The school newspaper is no longer affiliated with the school. It's the largest run student newspaper in the country. And that article I was quoting was actually an AP article that was printed in the newspaper. So suffice it to say I have no idea what point you were trying to make there. Well, given your level of intelligence, you probably won't get it. Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 07:25 supernovamaniac wrote:On September 08 2010 06:48 cz wrote:On September 08 2010 06:47 Jibba wrote:On September 08 2010 06:39 cz wrote:
I want to see them go ahead with it just to show that it's allowed in this country and riots in the Muslim world don't change that. Nobody will get hurt unless the adherents of the "religion of peace" are the ones doing it. That's not entirely true. If the intent is to intimidate, it may very well be illegal just as cross burning can be. Also, there are far better ways to promote freedom of speech than book/cross burning. If it's illegal THAT is a serious issue. People should be able to burn whatever they want, holy book or not my entire house. Just because it's a special book to you doesn't mean the rest of the country has to follow your religious teachings (regarding the book itself) because it clearly shows that I do not care about other people's religion. That is one of the basic legal idiotic principles that the United States is built upon, and that is why I partially want to see this burning happen: as a demonstration that it still holds true that the idea it self is stupid and promotes racism/outcry across the world, rather than a speech of freedom, no matter how intimidating or violently responsive Muslims are. Fixed. If you want to join the burning, it's up to you. I'm not going to try to stop someone from promoting outcry in other countries; some people never understand what they are up to. All you have done in this thread is take cheap shots and insult people. Please post something worthwhile.
I'M ON IT
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It's a shame that my town had a Quran burning instead of a Scientology protest. I forgot that the line between being a bigot and a truth spreader was all about choosing which religion to bash. I have to remember to only join crusades that the keyboard warriors think are cool and trendy.
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No matter if it's all about free speech, it's going to look like a pro-terrorist/anti-US propaganda. Your soldiers are dying in Afghanistan to give you the privilege to burn books.
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Osaka27172 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote:
While I don't want to get into the freedom of speech argument, I have a question. You say "because one person burns a book people over there want to kill me". 99.99% it won't come back to bite you.
But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country?
I guess I see a difference between doing something that offends someone and doing something to offend someone. I wouldn't have made my point in the first case, but deliberately provoking someone leaves some blood on your hands.
And it is news because the media establishment gets advertising dollars from reporting that which incites. A whole other issue that boggles my mind and I won't get in to here. In fact the whole issue, from the church to the news, is about money more than politics of religion.
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On September 08 2010 08:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
well im gonna write The Life & Times of BlackJack just so i can burn it!!!
the book is about you btw!!!
Your going to have a lot of copies to burn, because nobody wants to buy a book about an intolerant asshole ^^
i can only echo sentiments previously expressed in this thread. Vilifying the whole of islam because of extremist actions makes no sense to me
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On September 08 2010 08:44 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote:
While I don't want to get into the freedom of speech argument, I have a question. You say "because one person burns a book people over there want to kill me". 99.99% it won't come back to bite you.
But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country? I guess I see a difference between doing something that offends someone and doing something to offend someone. I wouldn't have made my point in the first case, but deliberately provoking someone leaves some blood on your hands. And it is news because the media establishment gets advertising dollars from reporting that which incites. A whole other issue that boggles my mind and I won't get in to here. In fact the whole issue, from the church to the news, is about money more than politics of religion.
I think the problem is that this demonstration incites such reactions and not that the media chooses to report that which incites. I believe that the only way to stop these incitations is by saturation and not by avoidance. For example, one person draws Mohammed and it's a riot, if everyone draws Mohammed then there is nobody to target. They can't take to the streets everyday, especially if they have families to support. The violence has got to get worse before it can get better, just like with integration.
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On September 08 2010 06:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 06:22 BlackJack wrote:
Some small church in my city is planning to have a Quran bonfire to commemorate 9/11. Normally I wouldn't care except for the fact that the media picked up on this and now there are protests in foreign countries with the usual burning of American flags and death to america chants (irony lol). Now I really want to go and check out all the drama.
I also want to show my support for the Quran burners. I wish that I could partake in the festivities as I would absolutely love knowing that my small actions contributed to pissing off millions of oversensitive morons around the world.
General Petreus 'condemned' the quran burning. He is worried that this will increase violence in Afghanistan. Enough is enough already. We can't live forever censoring our behavior out of fear that it will offend someone. Protecting our liberties/constitution should be the only cause that the military fights for, not the only cause that they won't fight for. /facepalm It doesn't bother you that in order to promote freedom of speech, you're also joining a bunch of bigots, who also happen to be oversensitive? They've just grown up in a society where their idiotic oversensitivity is more freely expressed. A bigot is still a bigot, the members of that church and the American public just have the luxury of being ignorant of 'fighting words.' In fact, were their actions directed towards a local mosque and not foreign nationals, it would probably be construed as a threat and the "freedom of speech" party would be crashed by a bunch of FBI agents.
Pretty much this. In America you have the great freedom to burn whatever text you want... it doesn't mean that people will praise you or look fondly at you for it. In fact I'd say if you're going to support burning a religious text because of some action extremists took in the past, then you sir are a douche.
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People should go there on the other side of the street and burn some fuckin crosses just to piss off those oversensitive little pricks. that way, everyones pissed off!
also lol at everyone calling blackjack intolerant. HEY ITS NOT TRENDY TO HATE IDIOTS BECAUSE THEY ARE OF A CERTAIN RELIGION
YOU CAN ONLY HATE IDIOTS THAT ARE OF A DIFFERENT RELIGION
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Osaka27172 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:10 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 08:44 Manifesto7 wrote:On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote:
While I don't want to get into the freedom of speech argument, I have a question. You say "because one person burns a book people over there want to kill me". 99.99% it won't come back to bite you.
But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country? I guess I see a difference between doing something that offends someone and doing something to offend someone. I wouldn't have made my point in the first case, but deliberately provoking someone leaves some blood on your hands. And it is news because the media establishment gets advertising dollars from reporting that which incites. A whole other issue that boggles my mind and I won't get in to here. In fact the whole issue, from the church to the news, is about money more than politics of religion. I think the problem is that this demonstration incites such reactions and not that the media chooses to report that which incites. I believe that the only way to stop these incitations is by saturation and not by avoidance. For example, one person draws Mohammed and it's a riot, if everyone draws Mohammed then there is nobody to target. They can't take to the streets everyday, especially if they have families to support. The violence has got to get worse before it can get better, just like with integration.
So by all hating each other, we can learn o love each other.
Kumbaya!
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United States7481 Posts
Personally I find it ironic that a lot of the people supporting this burning as a first amendment right are the same ones who are opposed to the muslim community center 2 blocks from the twin towers' former site.
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On September 08 2010 09:47 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 09:10 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 08:44 Manifesto7 wrote:On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote:On September 08 2010 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote:
While I don't want to get into the freedom of speech argument, I have a question. You say "because one person burns a book people over there want to kill me". 99.99% it won't come back to bite you.
But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country? I guess I see a difference between doing something that offends someone and doing something to offend someone. I wouldn't have made my point in the first case, but deliberately provoking someone leaves some blood on your hands. And it is news because the media establishment gets advertising dollars from reporting that which incites. A whole other issue that boggles my mind and I won't get in to here. In fact the whole issue, from the church to the news, is about money more than politics of religion. I think the problem is that this demonstration incites such reactions and not that the media chooses to report that which incites. I believe that the only way to stop these incitations is by saturation and not by avoidance. For example, one person draws Mohammed and it's a riot, if everyone draws Mohammed then there is nobody to target. They can't take to the streets everyday, especially if they have families to support. The violence has got to get worse before it can get better, just like with integration. So by all hating each other, we can learn o love each other. Kumbaya!
Well we heard my idea. What's yours? 
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I don't approve of the book burning, but freedom of speech is just as important in America as freedom of religion. Just don't get upset when violence intensifies. Burning a book/flag/symbol is not the most intelligent way to "protest" anything peacefully.
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