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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27157 Posts
But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. edit - my personal opinion is that this "pastor" is just trying to get his church in the spotlight to rake in the money from those weakminded bigots that will flock there. The quotes I read from him were pretty pathetic "We are open to changing our mind and I am praying about the issue". What a douchebag. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:37 BlackJack wrote: No. Try to keep up. I am not annoyed that they are burning flags. I am annoyed that they think that they have a right to burn a flag AND that I don't have a right to burn a Quran. I would stand right along side them and burn an American flag if someone tried to say they didn't have a right to. I would stand along side Americans and burn a flag if someone said we didn't have a right to. But thankfully the U.S. suporeme court said we DO have a right to burn an American flag. Understand now? Not really. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you need to run out and do it just to prove a point to some ignorant people. You are being an idiot as I said. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:38 Jibba wrote: In that case, I'll join you. Can I bring Dan Brown and Stephanie Meyers? btw don't you agree that if I had made this thread "I am going to burn a bible to protest these people burning a Quran" that people probably would have comended me? Oh the double standards. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:37 BlackJack wrote: No. Try to keep up. I am not annoyed that they are burning flags. I am annoyed that they think that they have a right to burn a flag AND that I don't have a right to burn a Quran. I would stand right along side them and burn an American flag if someone tried to say they didn't have a right to. I would stand along side Americans and burn a flag if someone said we didn't have a right to. But thankfully the U.S. suporeme court said we DO have a right to burn an American flag. Understand now? They're protesting your burning of their book. You idiots started it. A small extremist group of muslims terrorised America and you go and piss on a religion that a fifth of the world follows. Hate on the terrorists but don't hate on Islam. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:33 BlackJack wrote: No, it doesn't bother me that much to join a bunch of bigots because it doesn't matter to the Muslims that are protesting this. Because 1 guy in 300 million decides to burn a few books, those people over there want to kill ME regardless if I contribute or not. If I am going to take the blame I might as well join in on the fun lol. I guess in an ideal world I would burn a Quran and a bible, so I could piss off the Muslims and the church people at the same time. So in a protest against generalizing as such "1 guy in 300 million decides to burn a few books, those people over there want to kill ME regardless if I contribute or not", you're going to offend 1.5 billion muslims because of a select few fundamentalists? What if one out of those 1.5 billion start to think, "If I am going to take the blame for fundamentalists my whole life because of my beliefs I might as well join in on the fun lol." O_O Anyway no one is really questioning their right to do it, it's more that it's a stupid thing to do. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Satire aside, people in general are born with a filter in their brain, commonly known as "social antennae", which helps them judge their actions in relation to those around them. For example, Bob is an avid rugby fan and personally consider it far superior to other sports due to the enjoyment he gets out of it, but today he's at a barbeque with some friends who are avid football fans. During conversation, the topic of the similarities and differences between rugby and football, and in the back of Bob's mind, arguments around rugby's superiorty lines up. Confident in his own arguments and passion about rugby, Bob now spends the next half hour in debate with his friends - calm and good-mannered at first, but as time goes and both sides of the discussion realises neither side will concede their belief and accept the others, the discussion gets more agitated and irrational. Eventually, Bob has had enough of his friends' arrogance and decides to leave. On his way home, he shouts at a random passer-by to release some of his agression - this passer-by later on kicks his dog to channel his negative emtion onto someone else. The dog, in turn, runs in panic from his home, leaps across a fence and ends up in Bobs back yard, where he bites the hand of an unsuspecting Bob. Now, if Bob had a functioning set of social antennae, he would still see the difference in opinion between himself and his friends, but instead of educating his friends, he decides against it and instead enjoys a casual conversation about somethiing both enjoy, although in different forms. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:49 synapse wrote: God damnit America is so fucking stupid... This story makes me laugh, but only because it's not happening in my country... | ||
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Haplo_33
Sweden383 Posts
Weather it is a good idea or not is up to the people involved, not up to the government. | ||
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Asdkmoga
United States496 Posts
A small extremist group of muslims terrorised America and you go and piss on a religion that a fifth of the world follows. Hate on the terrorists but don't hate on Islam. quoted for truth. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote: While I don't want to get into the freedom of speech argument, I have a question. You say "because one person burns a book people over there want to kill me". 99.99% it won't come back to bite you. But I still don't see how you can sweep the impact of this incident under the rug in terms of it undermining the work Americans are trying to do in stabilizing their occupations and gaining the trust of the local population. Doesn't this made for TV demonstration have a negative impact on those efforts? From that point of view alone it puts other people in danger and wastes the time and resources that have been invested into the whole situation. I am not sure how you can be flippant about that. I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country? Here's a quote from today's school newspaper: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning. I know for a fact that this forum overwhelmingly came out in support of Matt Stone and Trey Parker when they had their whole incident with offending Muslims. Why does it make a difference to defend Matt Stone and Trey Parker over some random bigots when you and I both know that the muslims don't differentiate between entertainers and bigots? It's all the same to them so it's pointless to choose a "more worthy cause." | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:44 Wohmfg wrote: They're protesting your burning of their book. You idiots started it. A small extremist group of muslims terrorised America and you go and piss on a religion that a fifth of the world follows. Hate on the terrorists but don't hate on Islam. Lol like this is the first time they have burned American flags? Get real, buddy. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote: Here's a quote from today's school newspaper: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning. I'm sorry, but is the entire school district somewhat stupid or is the church your school district? And a movement by a small church is what the government wants to do? Psh. I can post a Gretech rage thread here, and then argue that it is the will of the American government to punish Blizzard for what they have done to e-Sports. On September 08 2010 07:58 BlackJack wrote: Lol like this is the first time they have burned American flags? Get real, buddy. Lol like this is the first time Americans tried to burn Quran? Get real, buddy. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:43 BlackJack wrote: btw don't you agree that if I had made this thread "I am going to burn a bible to protest these people burning a Quran" that people probably would have comended me? Oh the double standards. People might have, I'd still call you an idiot.  | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Seriously who cares if a bunch of idiots are burning a book lol ? I mean they are just feeding the hate. At least South Park was funny. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:56 BlackJack wrote: People are dumb and sensationalist news organizations make money off it.I guess I will answer that with a question: Why is this international news? Why is a church in my city with 50 members in their congregation making international headlines and being addressed by the commander of all U.S. forces in the middle east? I'm sorry but I don't think we can go forever censoring our episodes of South Park and our newspapers poltiical cartoons out of fear that the middle east will hate us. Do you think that it is acceptable to live in a country of 300 million people and if ONE guy decides to be a douchebag that hundreds of thousands of people will want to wipe out your country? Here's a quote from today's school newspaper: Floridian highschoolers, in particular, are dumb."We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decsion of the President and the entire United States," said Abdul Shakoor, an 18 year old high school student who said he joined the protest after hearing neighborhood gossip about the Quran burning. I know for a fact that this forum overwhelmingly came out in support of Matt Stone and Trey Parker when they had their whole incident with offending Muslims. Why does it make a difference to defend Matt Stone and Trey Parker over some random bigots when you and I both know that the muslims don't differentiate between entertainers and bigots? It's all the same to them so it's pointless to choose a "more worthy cause." The distinction is between setting fire to books, which is seen as a universally bad act in all of Western society, and drawing, which is only bad when Naruto animators do it. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:59 supernovamaniac wrote: I'm sorry, but is the entire school district somewhat stupid or is the church your school district? And a movement by a small church is what the government wants to do? Psh. I can post a Gretech rage thread here, and then argue that it is the will of the American government to punish Blizzard for what they have done to e-Sports. Lol like this is the first time Americans tried to burn Quran? Get real, buddy. Actually I should clarify. The school newspaper is no longer affiliated with the school. It's the largest run student newspaper in the country. And that article I was quoting was actually an AP article that was printed in the newspaper. So suffice it to say I have no idea what point you were trying to make there. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On September 08 2010 08:08 BlackJack wrote: Actually I should clarify. The school newspaper is no longer affiliated with the school. It's the largest run student newspaper in the country. And that article I was quoting was actually an AP article that was printed in the newspaper. So suffice it to say I have no idea what point you were trying to make there. Well, given your level of intelligence, you probably won't get it. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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