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Wolfpox
Canada164 Posts
"I've been playing SC1 since the day it came out, and I haven't paid one cent for it! I pirated the game and have been a loyal cheapskate my whole life! Bow down and grovel at my feet, Blizzard! You will die without us!" Fans love to talk about how loyal and devoted they are, but really, when they are operating WoW and getting millions of dollars a month, what do you think any sane person would value more: paying customers or cheap bastards who just make endless demands and are never satisfied? | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:42 supernovamaniac wrote: Because the whole SC scene in Korea is not huge afaik. I think one of the reasons BW didn't really spread out of Korea is because the Koreans were so far ahead. If their best and brightest aren't crushing the rest of the world maybe the rest of the world will want to play the game (SC2). | ||
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shurgen
350 Posts
So many of us, myself included, thought that SC2 would lead the way into a new era of e-sports. However, as things are right now, the release of SC2 might have killed e-sports. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:05 Wolfpox wrote: What I find funny is how the original poster (and so many others) you think that fans are entitled to something. "I've been playing SC1 since the day it came out, and I haven't paid one cent for it! I pirated the game and have been a loyal cheapskate my whole life! Bow down and grovel at my feet, Blizzard! You will die without us!" Yup, you got us. Milkis and everyone else who's siding with KeSPA on this are dirty pirates who have never paid for a Blizzard game. Can I read your version of TL?? because this thread sounds like it would be a lot more interesting. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:05 tree.hugger wrote: A house divided against itself cannot stand. These games must grow and work in tandem. These games are brothers, not father and son. The new posters on these forums should know this. It's time Sc2 began caring about what happened with BW, and the BW fans began to care about Sc2, not necessarily as games, but as industries. Thank you so much for being so eloquent. Couldn't have said it better. SC2 could capitalize on the popularity of BW, not kill it off. €: Also the Lincoln quote is a nice touch. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:05 Wolfpox wrote: What I find funny is how the original poster (and so many others) you think that fans are entitled to something. "I've been playing SC1 since the day it came out, and I haven't paid one cent for it! I pirated the game and have been a loyal cheapskate my whole life! Bow down and grovel at my feet, Blizzard! You will die without us!" Fans love to talk about how loyal and devoted they are, but really, when they are operating WoW and getting millions of dollars a month, what do you think any sane person would value more: paying customers or cheap bastards who just make endless demands and are never satisfied? I'm sure that the average TL poster has bought broodwar at least two times  | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada966 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:05 Wolfpox wrote: What I find funny is how the original poster (and so many others) you think that fans are entitled to something. "I've been playing SC1 since the day it came out, and I haven't paid one cent for it! I pirated the game and have been a loyal cheapskate my whole life! Bow down and grovel at my feet, Blizzard! You will die without us!" Fans love to talk about how loyal and devoted they are, but really, when they are operating WoW and getting millions of dollars a month, what do you think any sane person would value more: paying customers or cheap bastards who just make endless demands and are never satisfied? If thats wat u think e-sports is all about then go ahead. no one in their right mind would continue to sponsor sports like basketball/football/soccer/etc in america if there were no fanbase for it. there is a reason why this thing is called E-Sport, so that the spectators can enjoy a video game we came to love. look at how much the korean economy has changed just based around Starcraft 1. the spectators feed the industry by continuous support of the players/game. your attitude towards e-sports is exactly why SC2 isnt as big as it should be right now | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
SPL, OSL and MSL are legacy of lots of players and their effort for 10 long years. Now its image has been torn down in only last few month. Today BN EU server was down. for 30 min. Blizzard told us that there is no need for LAN because BN will be "awesome" (in their language). I just dont get it when in every 10 game a player is kicked out because of that. Pity that i cant change anything yet. I just hope the best for fans and Blizzard. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:05 Wolfpox wrote: What I find funny is how the original poster (and so many others) you think that fans are entitled to something. "I've been playing SC1 since the day it came out, and I haven't paid one cent for it! I pirated the game and have been a loyal cheapskate my whole life! Bow down and grovel at my feet, Blizzard! You will die without us!" Fans love to talk about how loyal and devoted they are, but really, when they are operating WoW and getting millions of dollars a month, what do you think any sane person would value more: paying customers or cheap bastards who just make endless demands and are never satisfied? We arent entitled to anything? What the hell are you talking about. We dont think we are entitled because we played the game for 109190501358 years, or because we only play blizzard games. We think we are entitled because they are throwing a product at us. We are the consumers. Regardless of how intelligent we all are, and how much we care about the product, what it comes down to is Blizzard feeding a fanbase that they want money from. If they want money we have a right to decide what we pay for. Yes we play for Sc2, but we want it given to us in a certain way. Blizzard really does not have huge leverage to string us along as they are. And piracy really is not a huge deal. Their goal was not to stop piracy but to control Kespa and other Kespa like entities. What Piracy? An ICCup server came up, shut that down. Hamachi is hosting Sc2? Sue Hamachi, make them stop hosting Sc2. Pirated games? Make it so you have to login with an actual CD key before LAN or anything. What does the pirater have now? 1v1 vs AI? There are just so many ways they could have made this better for the fans. Certain versions for multiple copies in PC bangs. LAN functionality per 1 CD key. Implement chat channels when people wanted chat channels. We are entitled to what we pay for. What we want to pay for is a clean industry that works. And we arent getting it. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:10 Megalisk wrote: Yeah the game itself is the shit but everything around it sucks balls. damn right plexa. The game, the graphics, the 3-d graphics, the new features (destructible rocks, watch towers, gold expansions) its the bomb. sc2 is awesome. Its beautiful. However, why play a game which requires no skill??? Absolutely no skill??? Fuck diamond rank 1 people, they brag about themselves being one and shit, they were d- in iccup. Why play a game which lags like shit???? "Fuck LAN," is what Blizzard said to everyone who purchased the game. I wanna play against someone in Europe. Hey spend $60.00 more because money is all we care about. Thats what Blizzard said. Then we go to imbalance. We don't care about a balanced game, we care about money. The sad thing is that we raged about marauders being op, HAS ANY FUCKING CHANGE BEEN MADE??? THATS THE BIGGEST F-U THAT THE PUBLIC HAS RECEIVED. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR GUYS. One of the main reasons i didn't get mad when my brother got the game and I didn't. Played sc1. Thought about sc2, but if a game is going to bring me the false illusion that im a good player when im not...when a company says f-u to everyone...the best thing to do is say f-u back. | ||
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kibeth
United States116 Posts
It's kind of like if the NFL stopped existing and someone in France said it didn't matter, he could just watch games from his own country. While it may be popular to watch in other parts of the world, its only because of its overwhelming success in another country. If it dies there, it will inevitably die everywhere, because it will be left with that glaring tag of "failure" in the only place it was ever truly successful. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
i must say that as far as the game itself is concerned, blizzard did an exceedingly good job listening to us. we have a game that is surely different from bw, but is dynamic and exciting to watch, and fun to play. the game's release and consequent success was a strong sign that Blizzard as a game developer is trustworthy and dependable. that's great! but if i was their marketing CO, i'd be fuming over this gretech situation. if they aren't i'd say there's something wrong. it isn't so much that we as a fanbase feel we deserve better, its that we as a fanbase are aware of the fact that it's really not that hard to set up things like an international LQ stream. hordes of broke-ass nerds do it for free every day. it's also just a bit alarming, given that two of their three major focal points (the game itself, bnet2, and the development of esports) really don't live up to snuff. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On September 03 2010 07:43 Lysis wrote: Although I find your rant to make a lot of sense, I don't see a mention of the rest of the world in this. In my opinion: fuck Korea, I couldn't care less about what goes on over there, since it doesn't affect me one bit. GSL? more like a Korean SC2 League since the friggen qualifiers were held in Seoul and if you couldn't hop on a plane to Korea tough luck. Instead of focusing on Korea like it's Mecca or something let's make e-Sports truly global so people like me (high schooler from the US) involved in this like any other kid can be involved in sports. Call Blizzard greedy, stupid, uninformed or whatever the hell you want to, but they're the ones who can actually make this happen. So I don't think you read the part in the article about how eSports actually developed in Korea? Sorry to break it to you, but unless you don't give a fuck about eSports in general, it won't develop in the US unless it happens in Korea first. Why? Culture issues. Ideas about gamers. Money. The devotion of the gamers. Esports has no chance of being global unless it happens in Korea first, and at this rate we are going backwards (killing SC1) and all esports will die. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
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RagnaRock
Poland76 Posts
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adlarn
Sweden1 Post
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Domonic
United States135 Posts
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Usurper
Macedonia283 Posts
P.S. I can see the downfall of the game so vividly, if it's not picked up by Korean society. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:51 Domonic wrote: Ok first of all, there is no such thing as having a "wrong opinion" because an opinion is just an opinion. That first part bugged me along with some grammatical errors and lack of knowledge made me only read about half of what you said. I just want to say that KeSPA does not run anything, it's only because there are groups like MBC Game and Ongamenet that are continuing to partner with KeSPA is why there still alive, and I also think it's ridiculous that KeSPA thinks they have rights to Starcraft, when in fact, Blizzard owns ALL rights to Starcraft because it's there game and they copyrighted it. Blizzard should have shut down KeSPA when they first started. I can't see them lasting much longer. .... I think milkis knows a lot more about this situation than the average person | ||
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