EPTDo you REALLY want e-Sports? - Page 6
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Iplaythings
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theqat
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On September 03 2010 08:04 fabiano wrote: Are you serious? If SC2 doesnt get big in Korea, the game will die. Do you think any other country in the world gives a shit about e-sports? Personally, I will only accept SC2 as BW successor if the Koreans start dominating it and a pro scene is created over there. If that doesnt happen, I feel like SC2 is lacking something. SC2 being big in Korea doesn't guarantee anything about the future of e-sports elsewhere.Of course, it will improve the situation, but no money/skill is gonna magically appear in the West because Korea picked it up. Anyway, no matter the situation in Korea we will never see a pro gaming scene like you have in Korea anywhere else. It will be the same as e-Sports has always been, but getting slightly more popular (as we can see with the game now). | ||
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gyth
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Look, we live in a capitalist society where companies' role is seen as "make as much money as possible." There's no room for doing things "for the fans" in such a society. That's all there is to it. "for the fans" means making a sustainable sport. More fans translates into more sales for sponsors. I wonder how the GSL sponsors feel about the lack of a free stream. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On September 03 2010 15:03 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Not that I disagree with the general gist of the rant, but I do find it amusing that you should say that you want people to run at a deficit 'for the good of E-SPORTS', but the people who shout 'E-SPORTS' the loudest are also some of the most outraged by GOM not offering free streams or VODs. Shouldn't these people be eager to pay - for the good of E-SPORTS? Or is it that it should be expected that people make sacrifices for the good of E-SPORTS, so long as I am not one of those people? Lolwut? What sport do you have to pay to watch on the internet/TV? I could watch the whole world cup on the internet or TV. I could watch all of the olympics on the internet or TV. I can watch my local basketball/football/baseball team all on TV. I can watch BW on the internet. They're ALL free. Why should I suddenly have to pay for GOM? | ||
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Goshawk.
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Therick
Norway324 Posts
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:17 ghrur wrote: Lolwut? What sport do you have to pay to watch on the internet/TV? I could watch the whole world cup on the internet or TV. I could watch all of the olympics on the internet or TV. I can watch my local basketball/football/baseball team all on TV. I can watch BW on the internet. They're ALL free. Why should I suddenly have to pay for GOM? In England, you can only see highlights of football league games on terrestrial TV (which you still need a paid TV license for, so even that isn't free). If you want to watch the games live in your own home you have to pay. You have to pay for GOM because they own the broadcasting rights. It's not our right as fans to see the games streamed for free. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
What sport do you have to pay to watch on the internet/TV? MMA/UFC are usually pay-per-view. I agree that GOM has a right to charge for their stream. But I think its a really backwards way to start a league. (particularly one thats gonna be spammed with sponsor-tizement) There are plenty of free daily tournaments of similar quality. And until the GSL can prove itself a step above the rest its a really hard sell. IMO the only thing going for the GSL is tasteless, and he's good, but not 50$/month good. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On September 03 2010 11:49 supernovamaniac wrote: Which resulted in good patches, only resulting new players screaming imba. And yes I have paid for the game in the past. In fact, many of us did. The reason why some of us have pirated copies is because we have lost our CD during the 10 years in the middle (I used no CD-Key patch with Hanbitsoft's Korean SC Patch). And don't even argue about the registration online with bnet registration; it never existed until recently. ... In the dark times when my mother supported my sister in stealing CDs of my games I became proud owner of 2 Brood War CDs... when I hid the 1st one so well I couldn't find it. I wonder where is the other vanilla SC CD though. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:17 ghrur wrote: Lolwut? What sport do you have to pay to watch on the internet/TV? I could watch the whole world cup on the internet or TV. I could watch all of the olympics on the internet or TV. I can watch my local basketball/football/baseball team all on TV. I can watch BW on the internet. They're ALL free. Why should I suddenly have to pay for GOM? You don't pay a cable bill? | ||
nextstep
Canada705 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:17 ghrur wrote: Lolwut? What sport do you have to pay to watch on the internet/TV? I could watch the whole world cup on the internet or TV. I could watch all of the olympics on the internet or TV. I can watch my local basketball/football/baseball team all on TV. I can watch BW on the internet. They're ALL free. Why should I suddenly have to pay for GOM? lucky you, i have to pay extra per month to get the sports channels to watch "some" NBA games (cause sometimes there's like 8+ per night). an alternative, i can get leaguepass to watch it on the internet, which costs money. i can try to watch free live streams on the internet through "other" means, but the quality is not ideal, and the fact that the accounts get shut down quite fast tells me what they're doing isn't exactly legal/follow the rules. even though GOM said they'd provide free streaming, there's no reason why BW/SC2 can't start charging money if they turn out to be enjoyable to watch. if OGN and MBC decided to force shut all streams, and force you to watch through subscribing to their channels, or had to pay to watch online, i would definitely pay (a fair amount). if progamers like Flash, Stork, Bisu, Jaedong ever switch over to SC2, and proteams are established with proleague seasons and playoffs, same thing, i'd definitely pay if i had to to watch them play. | ||
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mmdmmd
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
No, I don't. The local stations usually run baseball/football/baseball games on TV. World Cup was on TV and free on internet. Olympics was on TV. | ||
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mmdmmd
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Milkis
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:58 Milkis wrote: I hope the "It's their time to fry" was intended and they're cooking something, and not a typo of "It's their time to fly" -_- I think they made that typo in the original GSL banner. edit: Doh, it should be "Their Turn To Fry" | ||
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Fumi
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
edit: In other words: hundreds of thousands(?) of BW fans and viewers being mere few percent when compared what entire nation watches and plays shows true potential of SC2 as a game with possibly nearly separate fanbase? I'd say with this prize pool they are aiming at getting more new viewers, not just the BW ones. I don't think many casual BW viewers will get over lack of insanely powerful spells, scarabs and mines. You know, about BN2.0 I remembered reading a post Blizzard is looking for a new team and looks like they are? This gives me hope... on the other hand lack of features may be intentional hole to be filled in expansions, they need content for them  And I have to say this part doesn't make sense to me: Do you want e-Sports? I don't care if you're being underpaid and tired. That's how e-Sports began in Korea. Does Gretech really believe that they can get away with building e-Sports without sacrifices, sweat and toil of many, many people? That's why e-Sports grew -- they did it for the fans. The progamers who built the BW scene? They lived in cramped apartments, eating ramen and instant foods. You wanna bitch about progamer conditions now? If you start digging around the old BW threads, you can find threads about players finally being sponsored and getting to move into a "luxury apartment". Those are the conditions. You're underpaid and want compensation? Don't expect e-Sports to grow. Their philosophy is also absolutely and utterly laughable. yes, let's make all progamers "prize hunters" again. Let's just move back to those days where progamers live in tiny apartments. The team that wins first and second place? Great for them, they can eat this month. The rest? Well, you're fucked, time to boil that ramen again. Let's bring all that uncertainty back. I don't know if you are mixing SC2 and BW progamers, trying to be sarcastic or just contradict yourself. SC2 progamers should start from a complete zero (what's the point? if SC2 is not worth it will die anyways) and then you say it's bad there won't be established teams already and just tournament prizes? | ||
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