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SC2 in Korea; Problems and More - Page 2

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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 08 2010 06:48 GMT
#21
is there anythign blizzard can do to fix this?
so far it seems like blizzard knows they sold out, and after a few months of selling the game to casuals in north amercia, they are going to get chatrooms and ect rollin
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 06:53:34
August 08 2010 06:51 GMT
#22
On August 08 2010 15:45 Chanted wrote:
I agree with most of your points here, and they are very wellwritten. The only thing I would object is that GOM for us foreigners really isnt all that bad. I remember following proscene for a bit, and I got really psyched when they finally had a tournement with english casters, that was really great, atleast for me personally. Now I hope and believe that GOM will follow in that path, and include English commentary to the matches, something that im not sure that OGN/MSL would do.

Seems like you need to improve your reading comprehension, since he said GOM sucked for Koreans, while it was awesome for foreigners because of Tasteless. And to be honest, I thought the commentary got worse with every season.
On August 08 2010 15:48 jodogohoo wrote:
is there anythign blizzard can do to fix this?
so far it seems like blizzard knows they sold out, and after a few months of selling the game to casuals in north amercia, they are going to get chatrooms and ect rollin

add LAN and get rid of that stupid subscription fee they charge at PC Bangs. Won't solve the problem completely, but it'll do some good.
Writerptrk
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
August 08 2010 06:52 GMT
#23
Thanks you, MrHoon, nice write-up
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
August 08 2010 06:54 GMT
#24
Awesome. Also why do I get bashed each time I try to say the exact same things
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 08 2010 06:56 GMT
#25
On August 08 2010 15:54 Boonbag wrote:
Awesome. Also why do I get bashed each time I try to say the exact same things

the pictures. You can't bash someone with that much artistic talent
Qwerty.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 09:28:21
August 08 2010 06:57 GMT
#26
whoops.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 07:00:12
August 08 2010 06:59 GMT
#27
On August 08 2010 15:40 heyoka wrote:
One thing I don't necessarily agree with though is GOM's money. I don't care if GOM is the bastard stepchild of e-sports, they are willing to pump ~5 times as much money into this tournament as an OSL. History will show you that people go to the money regardless of event. The popular sports in America are the ones where the money is, we don't have good soccer players because it pays jack shit, if you're an athlete you choose the sport that gives bling. The formats that are competitive in magic the gathering are the ones that have big money tournaments, the guys who play more casual formats are much worse players.


I disagree. The prime example of this theory of pumping money into a sport and hoping it would work is the CGS. Most of us know what happened after that.

I fear this GOM 'rebellion' will see a Korean version of the CGS fiasco all over again.
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quasar
Profile Joined August 2010
140 Posts
August 08 2010 06:59 GMT
#28
The Blizzard from 12 years ago was very different from the one we have today, and the same can be said about BW and SC2. The company that brought us Diablo, SC and the pre-WoW Warcraft is long gone.

I agree, Blizzard should have been focused into making a good game first, instead of all that e-sport crap we have now.

I just hope that Blizzard can make SC2 in something more than a tool to make more money and a tool for people trying to make SC2 a way of living (those aspiring "progamers"). I like SC2, I really do (hell, I even bought the game but my crappy laptop can't even play it without lagging like crazy), but as a BW fan, it's just not the same feeling i get when i watch a SC2 match, i get bored so easily.

All in all, the odds of SC2 becoming a good game, and a worthy succesor to BW seem bad .



For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 08 2010 07:05 GMT
#29
B-b-but I love Dane Cook D:

+ Show Spoiler +
pretty solid reasoning though. cant help but agree
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 08 2010 07:06 GMT
#30
On August 08 2010 15:46 Chimpalimp wrote:
@heyoka Your whole argument seems to based solely on the perception that Koreans will follow the capitalistic notion to go where the money is. Which isn't always true, especially in countries that are not America.


Can you point out some examples? People have this notion that "outside of capitalist pig america people do things for fun and not money" but I've never seen evidence of it being true. Europe doesn't have good American Football players because they can play soccer and get paid. If you were in Russia in 1980 you played chess because the state gave you money if you became good.

Two baseball players were recently drafted from India. They had never played baseball in their life, they became pitchers because they had spent their lives honing javelin throwing skills and it turns out you can also use that motion to throw a baseball fast enough to get a signing bonus.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
August 08 2010 07:06 GMT
#31
This is a great writeup... I honestly thought the decisions Blizzard made regarding kespa in korea were a mistake, but I had NO IDEA how bad it was. This was really helpful in understanding what's going on there. I think blizzard is putting so much into korea because their culture actually has progaming on a level greater than anywhere else in the world.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 07:09:06
August 08 2010 07:06 GMT
#32
Though I hate to see it not immediately take off in korea, I'm not suprised. Anyone anywhere will resist something so forced I also agree with the sentiments that korea isn't the center of the universe. Furthermore, I support US IP Laws feel kespa has overstepped it's necessity.

I also feel like we have a few years before the official verdict is out. Gom is looking for a TV channel, Blizzard is gonna work on bnet's community features, a couple years of balance and metagame development. It's not close to "over" yet.
Parabola
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)111 Posts
August 08 2010 07:09 GMT
#33
MrHoon, you fucking nailed it. Being a Korean and having the first person view of what's going on in Korea, I can vouch for 99% of this post. But you probably didn't need that because of your name.
The first sign of maturity is the discovery that the volume knob also turns to the left.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
August 08 2010 07:15 GMT
#34
On August 08 2010 15:59 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 15:40 heyoka wrote:
One thing I don't necessarily agree with though is GOM's money. I don't care if GOM is the bastard stepchild of e-sports, they are willing to pump ~5 times as much money into this tournament as an OSL. History will show you that people go to the money regardless of event. The popular sports in America are the ones where the money is, we don't have good soccer players because it pays jack shit, if you're an athlete you choose the sport that gives bling. The formats that are competitive in magic the gathering are the ones that have big money tournaments, the guys who play more casual formats are much worse players.


I disagree. The prime example of this theory of pumping money into a sport and hoping it would work is the CGS. Most of us know what happened after that.

I fear this GOM 'rebellion' will see a Korean version of the CGS fiasco all over again.


Erm...What is CGS?
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
August 08 2010 07:15 GMT
#35
Really good read, not partnering up with OGN/MBC was a huge mistake and they seem to have basically thrown away $30 million in advertising.
#5 is so true. The vast majority of Koreans are Hunters players and the focus on competition and esports is just the wrong way to go about it.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
August 08 2010 07:15 GMT
#36
Kurucho!!! I think GomTV is more a foreign a-like TV, not a Korean, anyway, if Korea doesn't care about the money, all the Foreigners do, so whats the problem? make korea the host of a world huge price tour.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 08 2010 07:16 GMT
#37
Ahh excellent writeup. Thanks for clearing the situation up. Well i'm kinda glad that sc2 is a flop in korea. that means the pro bw scene will be alive and well ^^ . playing sc2 while being able to watch great sc:bw is the best combo ever!
Long live BroodWar!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 07:21:43
August 08 2010 07:18 GMT
#38
This will be awkward if SC2 will be as big as it sounds before everyone started reading this blog, but goddamn you have good points here which might be so true in the long run.

Great read man, great read!


and oh yeah, you are totally right about that commentator chick, horrible voice but god i could watch her instead. :O
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
August 08 2010 07:20 GMT
#39
Interesting read, it really was bizzare to me that it was 'failing' (im sure its still doing quite well in reality, just not ridiculously wtf well like we expected) given all the advertising etc blizzard paid for.

Really hoping it increases in popularity soon.
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
August 08 2010 07:24 GMT
#40
On August 08 2010 15:57 Qwerty. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 15:54 Boonbag wrote:
Awesome. Also why do I get bashed each time I try to say the exact same things

Because you don't live in Korea and lack the first-hand experience and knowledge to be a credible source of ESPORTS news.

Take a second of your life and read his blog. Educate yourself before making asinine statements like this.
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