EPTNumber 5 hits the gold in my opinion.
SC2 in Korea; Problems and More - Page 3
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Sillylaughs
Canada198 Posts
Number 5 hits the gold in my opinion. | ||
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Alphonsse
United States518 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:40 heyoka wrote: One thing I don't necessarily agree with though is GOM's money. I don't care if GOM is the bastard stepchild of e-sports, they are willing to pump ~5 times as much money into this tournament as an OSL. History will show you that people go to the money regardless of event. The popular sports in America are the ones where the money is, we don't have good soccer players because it pays jack shit, if you're an athlete you choose the sport that gives bling. The formats that are competitive in magic the gathering are the ones that have big money tournaments, the guys who play more casual formats are much worse players. Comparing SC2/BW to Soccer/other sports in America is a false analogy. The biggest difference is that SC2 is new, and no one knows if people will enjoy watching it. With soccer, there's no money in America because no one watches it. Football pays big because people watch it. The large amount of money being pumped into SC2 is an investment, because if people don't end up watching it, advertisers won't be happy, and there won't be money for it in the future. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:06 heyoka wrote: Can you point out some examples? People have this notion that "outside of capitalist pig america people do things for fun and not money" but I've never seen evidence of it being true. Europe doesn't have good American Football players because they can play soccer and get paid. If you were in Russia in 1980 you played chess because the state gave you money if you became good. Two baseball players were recently drafted from India. They had never played baseball in their life, they became pitchers because they had spent their lives honing javelin throwing skills and it turns out you can also use that motion to throw a baseball fast enough to get a signing bonus. Bigger prizes = bigger entertainment? Uh... no? When I'm watching OSL, i'm not thinking about the 1st place prize money at all... I'm just watching an interesting game with interesting commentary and being entertained through that. If money is a great attracting attribute, why not just televise 20 minutes of money flying everywhere? | ||
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onewingedmoogle
Canada434 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:41 ArvickHero wrote: Haha looks like Blizzard paid the big bucks to all the wrong people other way around blizz sold out for the big bucks coming from the wrong ppl | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:57 Qwerty. wrote: Because you don't live in Korea and lack the first-hand experience and knowledge to be a credible source of ESPORTS news. You need to check yourself, before you wreck yourself. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
I too would like to know what CGS is.. Google isn't that much of a help :s | ||
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quasar
140 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:33 ArvickHero wrote: I too would like to know what CGS is.. Google isn't that much of a help :s Im guessing this | ||
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onewingedmoogle
Canada434 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:32 nitdkim wrote: Bigger prizes = bigger entertainment? Uh... no? When I'm watching OSL, i'm not thinking about the 1st place prize money at all... I'm just watching an interesting game with interesting commentary and being entertained through that. If money is a great attracting attribute, why not just televise 20 minutes of money flying everywhere? this isnt even the issue, the money in the prize pool might draw in ppl to compete, but at the end of the day gom isnt tv channel and will not garner the popularity it needs from its limited audience | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:33 Kennigit wrote: You need to check yourself, before you wreck yourself. I wrote this just for u mang JUST FOR U MANG haha naw I finally got it done after ranting on IRC so much lol About the KSSN, yes people have it memorized but some dont. Although the KSSN issue isnt as big it sometimes serves as a huge issue during 'lan' games | ||
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rredtooth
5460 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:43 darklordjac wrote: kespa cooperated with blizzard even once in their 10 years? news to me. only interaction i remember pre-sc2 is GSL4 (or lack therof).Yeah I think they should of kept kespa. Thats a huge back stab to their 10 year old partner. On August 08 2010 15:41 Incanus wrote: but sc2 isn't a random game nobody knew about. it's the sequel to korea's flagship ESPORTS game. and most of the points mrhoon made aren't really things that'll be efficiently and effectively be "healed over time". StarCraft didn't pick up in Korea immediately, either, it got started in North America first (obviously hardly to the extent that we currently see in Korea). The main mistake Blizzard can make is trying to push it too far, too early, so people dismiss it before letting it develop. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
...they must explain a big part of the picture....but then again....the major driving force behind a particular game's inherent success or failure is; the Gameplay. Gameplay is king. Let's face it ....Starcraft 2's actual GAME is just not as fun as its glorious predecessor, and that explains the state of things in Korea right now. If SC2's gameplay was as glorious as SC:BW, believe me, all the reasons you listed would have been insignificant. | ||
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bbq
United States49 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:46 Chimpalimp wrote: @heyoka Your whole argument seems to based solely on the perception that Koreans will follow the capitalistic notion to go where the money is. Which isn't always true, especially in countries that are not America. Koreans do follow the capitalistic notion to go where the money is. A recent example would be Saviour and the other Korean progamers caught in the match fixing scandal. They know that match fixing is immoral and illegal, but took the risk regardless to earn a little extra money. With that greed, imagine the mid-tier, underpaid, or ex-Korean progamers who will flock to GOM's bigger prize pool tournaments who cater more to individual gains. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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Galois
United States124 Posts
to be honest i was getting kind of sick of sc2. maybe its just all of the beta stuff and the fact that my map got stolen and made it all the way up to the #2 slot with my name replaced by some jackass who did nothing but make turrets do double the damage to make the game super fucking easy GOD I HATE THAT GUY SOO MUCH anyway brb installing bw | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:32 nitdkim wrote: Bigger prizes = bigger entertainment? Uh... no? When I'm watching OSL, i'm not thinking about the 1st place prize money at all... I'm just watching an interesting game with interesting commentary and being entertained through that. If money is a great attracting attribute, why not just televise 20 minutes of money flying everywhere? Bigger prizes = bigger entertainment, yes. People in America watch World Cup once every 4 years until we are eliminated. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
Once you'll see Boxer playing SC2 in a great tournament (which i believe it will happen) things are going to change. Blizz/GOM needs to pay some great players, legends like GARIMTO, Boxer, Yellow, rA to play SC2 and stream it through GOM or whatever channel they can through, as they may hold a lot of influence power. Blizzard wasn't the only one to mistake in relation with Kespa. Kepsa fucked up too, practically they both fucked up trying to pull their bigger share. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:57 Qwerty. wrote: Because you don't live in Korea and lack the first-hand experience and knowledge to be a credible source of ESPORTS news. o.o Boonbag is pretty legit. Read his blogs, they're great. EDIT: Ok, I'm slow. | ||
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