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Quick MTG question: Hulk Flash

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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
July 31 2010 07:48 GMT
#1
Hi.

The last time I played Magic: The Gathering was during the days when madness was the shit, Psychatog was godlike, and Upheaval saved the day. I just read a decklist that intrigued me a lot, and wanted to ask a few questions about it.

The deck in question is "Turn 0 Hulk Flash," reproduced below:

http://www.mtgfanatic.com/Decks/ViewDeck.aspx?ID=21685&Page=1&PageSize=25


This. Is. Awesome.

Now, I've always been a fan of belcher and ichorid type combo decks, and this is literally the ultimate combo deck.

I investigated a bit further, and many of its combo components are now banned. But I still want to keep a copy of this deck for posterity, as it is such an excellent deck.

Before I got out and spend ~$300 bucks:


1. Under the revamped rules about creature summoning etc, does the combo still work?

2. Have there been any other cards that were released the past five or so years that can improve that decklist?

Thanks for your help!

초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
July 31 2010 07:57 GMT
#2
1. yes, the combo still works fine. Hence the bannings xD

2. the best combo package is probably:

1 Reveillark, 1 Mogg Fanatic, 1 Body Snatcher, 1 Body Double, and 1 Carrion Feeder

It uses way less space than the package with disciples and stuff.

If you want to read about how it works, check out this article:

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/15566_Innovations_CounterbalanceFlash_in_Vintage.html

as for other cards which improve the decklist, Brainstorm, Merchant Scroll, Summoner's Pact, and Pact of Negation all seem like cards that you'd want to run.
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 07:59:03
July 31 2010 07:58 GMT
#3
1. yes. the functionality of flash (which is what the combo is all about) wasnt changed after being reverted to the original functionality.
2. certainly. theres a great lot of cards coming in with every set, and i am sure you might find something useful. (its hard to be specific here, its really a lot of new cards)

theres other ways to get the combo going aswell, you dont need disciple+0-artifacts. kiki-jiki, mirror breaker+reveillark+karmic guide/body snatcher/body double+carrion feeder+mogg fanatic takes up only half the space in the deck and leaves room for some blue library manipulation. if you want this deck to be as strong as it can get, you dont really want the turn-0-kill-option. you just want to have high odds of killing on turn 1 or 2.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 08:00:27
July 31 2010 07:59 GMT
#4
Ooo, that's enticing. But does it give a consistent average <1 kill? And it's kinda very expensive...


Edit:

I see. Ahh, MTG cards are so expensive. I was hoping to not spend upwards 500 bucks...
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
July 31 2010 08:02 GMT
#5
Heh, MTG is expensive in general. I don't think it's worth getting a copy of a deck that's not legal in any format =\
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
July 31 2010 08:10 GMT
#6
Just reading about Magic the Gathering makes me be able to smell the freshness of opening a new pack.

It has been too long. Oh god why????
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 09:07:30
July 31 2010 08:43 GMT
#7
4 lotus petal
4 pact of negation
4 summoner's pact
4 merchant scroll
4 elvish spirit guide
4 protean hulk
1 simian spirit guide
4 flash
4 force of will
4 mystical tutor
1 kiki-jiki
1 reveillark
1 body snatcher
1 body double
1 mogg fanatic
1 carrion feeder
1 karmic guide
4 Brainstorm
4 gemstone caverns
4 street wraith
4 serum powder



Maximum chance of Turn-0 kill? (within reasonable card prices, i.e. no power 9/moxen/dual lands)
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
July 31 2010 10:42 GMT
#8
nerd.

jk, i wish i could play magic again, haven't played since sixth grade
manner
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
July 31 2010 11:19 GMT
#9
If a turn 0 kill is all you care about then you should just max out on simian spirit guides, since stuff like brainstorm/merchant scroll etc. doesn't help you kill on turn 0

it'd make the deck a lot worse though

A version that doesn't care about t0 kills would kill t1-3 with disruption/counter backup pretty frequently and be a lot better

also, I don't think you need slots for kiki-jiki/karmic guide. If you want to make extra sure you can combo out, just add another body snatcher for the rare case that you draw your first body snatcher AND a combo piece. The kiki-jiki kill doesn't let you win on turn 0 anyway right, unless I'm missing something...
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 31 2010 12:05 GMT
#10
before it vanished it was used with slivers the most iirc. Google for a list that uses slivers.
Incognitodies
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom184 Posts
July 31 2010 12:23 GMT
#11
On July 31 2010 21:05 Patriot.dlk wrote:
before it vanished it was used with slivers the most iirc. Google for a list that uses slivers.

They only used slivers because reveillark wasn't printed yet
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 04:51:08
July 31 2010 23:28 GMT
#12
Qty Name
4 Gemstone Caverns
1 Body Double
1 Body Snatcher
1 Carrion Feeder
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Mogg Fanatic
4 Protean Hulk
1 Reveillark
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Street Wraith
4 Brainstorm
4 Flash
4 Force of Will
4 Lotus Petal
2 Merchant Scroll
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Pact of Negation
4 Summoner's Pact
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Underground River
60 Lands: 8, Spells: 32, Crt: 20


Final list. Currently total 280 bucks in Starcitygames. :/ On average ~50% turn 0 or turn 1 kill.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
July 31 2010 23:50 GMT
#13
Haha I remember this shit blowing up when I used to play, almost every deck at that Legacy PTQ was flash. Good times.
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