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On June 19 2010 00:24 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs. Please don't take this as me insulting you but can you tell me what is it about creationism that makes it a more valid hypothesis than the theory of evolution which is supported by masses of evidence? Or is it simply a matter of faith in which you are being willfully ignorant.
The best answer I could possible give you is that I have felt the Holy Spirit and God's existence is something I cannot deny. The Bible is His Living Word and I believe what He has left for me to investigate.
But to answer your question, I guess I'm being willfully ignorant. No offense taken.
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On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs.
nono. your now taking the credit away from evolution and giving that to the god. Crazy dude that god is. he makes dinosaurs and stars and planets and shit.
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On June 19 2010 04:02 gyth wrote:"God isn't real" "prove it" "YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T REAL"
Doesn't work like that buddy.
YOU are the one with burden of proof, YOU are the one stating there is a god. Therefor YOU have to prove there is. We atheist are not making a statement, YOU are.
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On June 19 2010 04:36 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs. nono. bible didn't say anything about dinosaurs. your now taking the credit away from evolution and giving that to the god. Crazy dude that god is. he makes dinosaurs and stars and planets and shit.
Yet he cares and will send you to hell because you yanked that one eyed snake he gave you. Resist your natural urge my friend! stay pure
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On June 19 2010 04:31 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:07 Wohmfg wrote:On June 19 2010 00:03 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 22:24 Butigroove wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution, I still love science and find it amazing sometimes and I'm pretty open minded about scientific matters. Fun read tho bruh Not believing in evolution is pretty much my definition of ignorant, crazy, and unwilling to listen to science. Just sayin'. On June 18 2010 22:21 Thats_The_Spirit wrote:
Thats a good read.
I believe that religion and evolution can go hand in hand.
Another simple way of looking at evolution is with the following example:
Imagine a population of butterflies with all sorts of different colors living in an area with a lot of different flowers.
A portion of the population migrates to another area where there are predominantly yellow flowers. The yellow butterflies can sit easily on the yellow flowers, while the blue, green and purple butterflies get eaten by birds, simply because the birds can spot them more easily among the yellow flowers.
The chances of getting offspring are far greater for the yellow butterflies. After a few decades 90% of the butterflies in this area are yellow.
This example is so obvious and straightforward that the most stubborn creationist can't deny this chain of events.
This is evolution. It's easy to grasp what can happen in 20 years, but its much harder for the human mind to try and grasp what can happen in 1 million years, even though the concept stays the same. The butterfly thing is an example of Natural Selection, a mechanism of evolution, not evolution itself. Please don't make "ignorant" assumptions about me. I love science and how it has progressed, and I'm even amazed at the thing we are able to do in today's world. Just because I don't believe in evolution doesn't mean I'm some "crazy, ignorant" guy and "unwilling to listen to science." Just sayin' I wouldn't go as far as to call you crazy, but I would say you were ignorant and unwilling to listen to science if you refute the theory of evolution. Which part of it doesn't sit right with you? What's your proposed theory? Truthfully, the thing that just doesn't fit right with me is how one small organism came to transform into ALL living organisms today. ADAPTATION is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. That is something I do NOT disagree with. But how it adapted into every single thing alive is beyond me. I obviously have a lot more objections, but this is generally what I'm picky about.
Have you ever looked at a tree? How does one trunk have enough room to split into 1000+ branches? It doesn't! It splits into 2, maybe 3 branches. They split into 2 more, which split into 2 each, which split into 2 each, 2 each etc.
1 trunk -> 1000 branches. There's just a bunch of splits in between.
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On June 19 2010 04:35 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:24 ShadeR wrote:On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs. Please don't take this as me insulting you but can you tell me what is it about creationism that makes it a more valid hypothesis than the theory of evolution which is supported by masses of evidence? Or is it simply a matter of faith in which you are being willfully ignorant. The best answer I could possible give you is that I have felt the Holy Spirit and God's existence is something I cannot deny. The Bible is His Living Word and I believe what He has left for me to investigate. But to answer your question, I guess I'm being willfully ignorant. No offense taken.
Thats a terrible way to look at anything, you're already admitting from the very start you will not deny your god. Therefor there is no reason to even bother arguing with you if you aren't willing to change your mind. Don't call your self an open minded person if you refute stuff without evidence from the very beginning.
You can not just say "God's existence is something i cannot deny", that's speaking in absolutes. You also can't believe in God if you believe in dinosaurs, thats impossible. You're cherry picking from the bible; you cannot believe in the bible if you believe in only certain bits, it doesn't work that way.
You either realize evolution is a fact, or stick with faith.
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On June 19 2010 04:31 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:07 Wohmfg wrote:On June 19 2010 00:03 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 22:24 Butigroove wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution, I still love science and find it amazing sometimes and I'm pretty open minded about scientific matters. Fun read tho bruh Not believing in evolution is pretty much my definition of ignorant, crazy, and unwilling to listen to science. Just sayin'. On June 18 2010 22:21 Thats_The_Spirit wrote:
Thats a good read.
I believe that religion and evolution can go hand in hand.
Another simple way of looking at evolution is with the following example:
Imagine a population of butterflies with all sorts of different colors living in an area with a lot of different flowers.
A portion of the population migrates to another area where there are predominantly yellow flowers. The yellow butterflies can sit easily on the yellow flowers, while the blue, green and purple butterflies get eaten by birds, simply because the birds can spot them more easily among the yellow flowers.
The chances of getting offspring are far greater for the yellow butterflies. After a few decades 90% of the butterflies in this area are yellow.
This example is so obvious and straightforward that the most stubborn creationist can't deny this chain of events.
This is evolution. It's easy to grasp what can happen in 20 years, but its much harder for the human mind to try and grasp what can happen in 1 million years, even though the concept stays the same. The butterfly thing is an example of Natural Selection, a mechanism of evolution, not evolution itself. Please don't make "ignorant" assumptions about me. I love science and how it has progressed, and I'm even amazed at the thing we are able to do in today's world. Just because I don't believe in evolution doesn't mean I'm some "crazy, ignorant" guy and "unwilling to listen to science." Just sayin' I wouldn't go as far as to call you crazy, but I would say you were ignorant and unwilling to listen to science if you refute the theory of evolution. Which part of it doesn't sit right with you? What's your proposed theory? Truthfully, the thing that just doesn't fit right with me is how one small organism came to transform into ALL living organisms today. ADAPTATION is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. That is something I do NOT disagree with. But how it adapted into every single thing alive is beyond me. I obviously have a lot more objections, but this is generally what I'm picky about.
Hehe. i have a solution: instead of billions and billions years of evolution there is this super god that created every fucking thing. LOL
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On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote:On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"
just sayin
cute read I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs.
The Bible doesn't say anything about planets, and the stars described in the Bible are quite a bit different from those that exist in reality.
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All these childish attacks on God are why I generally avoid making such statements about religion. If you are going to make jokes and attack for for my beliefs then so be it. I just won't take part anymore.
I want to respond to some of the statements yall have made, and I regret that I will not. But go ahead, abuse what I have said more.
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You also can't believe in God if you believe in dinosaurs, thats impossible. You're cherry picking from the bible; you cannot believe in the bible if you believe in only certain bits, it doesn't work that way.
Yes, it does; what are you, ex-catholic?
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On June 19 2010 05:19 In)Spire wrote:
All these childish attacks on God are why I generally avoid making such statements about religion. If you are going to make jokes and attack for for my beliefs then so be it. I just won't take part anymore.
I want to respond to some of the statements yall have made, and I regret that I will not. But go ahead, abuse what I have said more. I hope you don't mean me. the sentence you told that you dont understand evolution was as much of an attack towards evolution than my previous post was towards god. 
Good idea quit posting, it's silly to argue about nonsense.
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On June 19 2010 07:19 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 05:19 In)Spire wrote:
All these childish attacks on God are why I generally avoid making such statements about religion. If you are going to make jokes and attack for for my beliefs then so be it. I just won't take part anymore.
I want to respond to some of the statements yall have made, and I regret that I will not. But go ahead, abuse what I have said more. I hope you don't mean me. the sentence you told that you dont understand evolution was as much of an attack towards evolution than my previous post was towards god. Good idea quit posting, it's silly to argue about nonsense.
Really? lol. Please elaborate where I attacked evolution as you attack my belief in God:
"Hehe. i have a solution: instead of billions and billions years of evolution there is this super god that
created every fucking thing. LOL". Surely you can understand that this attacks me much more than anything I said could've "attacked" you. Yet I'm still clueless reading back at my post at how I "attacked" you.
And again you continue on with the... "Nonsense"? I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. But no more debate, I'm just really curious as to your reason for posting this.
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On June 19 2010 07:53 In)Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 07:19 Piste wrote:On June 19 2010 05:19 In)Spire wrote:
All these childish attacks on God are why I generally avoid making such statements about religion. If you are going to make jokes and attack for for my beliefs then so be it. I just won't take part anymore.
I want to respond to some of the statements yall have made, and I regret that I will not. But go ahead, abuse what I have said more. I hope you don't mean me. the sentence you told that you dont understand evolution was as much of an attack towards evolution than my previous post was towards god. Good idea quit posting, it's silly to argue about nonsense. Really? lol. Please elaborate where I attacked evolution as you attack my belief in God: "Hehe. i have a solution: instead of billions and billions years of evolution there is this super god that created every fucking thing. LOL". Surely you can understand that this attacks me much more than anything I said could've "attacked" you. Yet I'm still clueless reading back at my post at how I "attacked" you. And again you continue on with the... "Nonsense"? I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. But no more debate, I'm just really curious as to your reason for posting this.
You are not arguing. When someone makes a point, you just retreat by saying 'but I have felt God' or something like that. What are we supposed to say? No you? Scientologists get attacked so much its pretty much fashionable, I wouldn't feel sorry for yourself. When you don't present an argument, chances are the opponents get frustrated.
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On June 19 2010 08:16 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 07:53 In)Spire wrote:On June 19 2010 07:19 Piste wrote:On June 19 2010 05:19 In)Spire wrote:
All these childish attacks on God are why I generally avoid making such statements about religion. If you are going to make jokes and attack for for my beliefs then so be it. I just won't take part anymore.
I want to respond to some of the statements yall have made, and I regret that I will not. But go ahead, abuse what I have said more. I hope you don't mean me. the sentence you told that you dont understand evolution was as much of an attack towards evolution than my previous post was towards god. Good idea quit posting, it's silly to argue about nonsense. Really? lol. Please elaborate where I attacked evolution as you attack my belief in God: "Hehe. i have a solution: instead of billions and billions years of evolution there is this super god that created every fucking thing. LOL". Surely you can understand that this attacks me much more than anything I said could've "attacked" you. Yet I'm still clueless reading back at my post at how I "attacked" you. And again you continue on with the... "Nonsense"? I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. But no more debate, I'm just really curious as to your reason for posting this. You are not arguing. When someone makes a point, you just retreat by saying 'but I have felt God' or something like that. What are we supposed to say? No you? Scientologists get attacked so much its pretty much fashionable, I wouldn't feel sorry for yourself. When you don't present an argument, chances are the opponents get frustrated.
That wasn't what he quoted. And how God has made a difference in my life has nothing at all to do with him. I just want clarification on my alleged "attack".
And I'm not asking for pity.
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Oh wonderful, it's this discussion again. -_-
+ Show Spoiler +jk - sorta I think one of the strongest pieces of evidence is the fused chromosome number two. You can learn about it in this video:
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Woohoo for people that press forth the false dichotomy of science vs. religion. \o/
Creationism is a hackery of both science and religion, and one that insults both.
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On June 19 2010 05:27 gyth wrote:Show nested quote +You also can't believe in God if you believe in dinosaurs, thats impossible. You're cherry picking from the bible; you cannot believe in the bible if you believe in only certain bits, it doesn't work that way. Yes, it does; what are you, ex-catholic?
No, it doesn't.
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On June 19 2010 04:54 PanN wrote:
Thats a terrible way to look at anything, you're already admitting from the very start you will not deny your god. Therefor there is no reason to even bother arguing with you if you aren't willing to change your mind. Don't call your self an open minded person if you refute stuff without evidence from the very beginning.
You can not just say "God's existence is something i cannot deny", that's speaking in absolutes. You also can't believe in God if you believe in dinosaurs, thats impossible. You're cherry picking from the bible; you cannot believe in the bible if you believe in only certain bits, it doesn't work that way.
You either realize evolution is a fact, or stick with faith.
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yes you can, im atheist but most of the christians i know only believe in the existence of god and jesus who sacrificed his life to save humanity, it doesnt mean they can't believe in scientific facts
evolution is just a theory that just seems to make sense. there is a process of natural selection but as things stand, you can't prove evolution exists unless you've been around for millions of years observing a monkey giving birth into a breed that leads to humans
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Saying you can or cannot believe whatever you want is absolutely retarded. Although it is ridiculously stupid to believe stuff just because its in the bible too. Its in the bible so it must be true!
No. I use my own judgement and faith to decide what to believe. No I dont believe that Jesus was god while being his own son and then died and came back to life etc etc, but I do believe he was an extremely wise man who had very valuable teachings that were later on perverted by others. I do believe that a force outside of that which is apparent in our universe exists, because otherwise the creation of the universe makes no sense to me
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Anyone can believe whatever they want but that does not make it true. If 99% or more of the leading experts in a field say that something is true, it almost certainly is. Vague notions of disbelief on the grounds that "well this part sounds far-fetched" is stupefying to me. Do you honestly think that none of the thousands of brilliant scientists, biologists and archaeologists who have devoted their lives to studying the origins of humanity have considered your objections? I can assure any skeptics that they have and, in the vast majority of cases, have uncovered mounds of evidence that have satiated these questions.
I do not understand how the internal combustion engine works the way it does. Sure, I've seen diagrams and people have tried to explain it to me, but it still doesn't seem logical to me that the entire process can produce efficient power. But mechanical engineers and mechanics seem convinced and my car runs so I suspend my disbelief and acknowledge my own ignorance. To do otherwise would be an act of self-delusion and extreme arrogance.
Bluntly put, disbelief in evolution stems from those who are not only ignorant, but have an ulterior motive. Perhaps if there were more atheist biologists decrying the validity of evolution the public would have adequate reason (discounting extensive personal research) to be skeptical. As it stands, the only statistically significant body of critics possess supernatural presuppositions about the nature of our world and have very little education in the relevant fields.
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