EPTNon SC: My Favourite Science Fact Of All Time - Page 2
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SubtleArt
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 18 2010 23:04 Thats_The_Spirit wrote: Not believing in evolution is not ignorant. Evolution is still a theory and everyone has the right to agree or disagree after having informed him/herself. Natural selection over millions of years is not evolution itself but a mechanism of evolution? Yes, carpentry is not the same as the mechanism of carpentry, but do you really want to nitpick here? IT'S THEORII NAWT FACT!!!. Evolution as things stand at the moment is a fact. The scientific definition of theory is different to the laymans definition. In science theory ranks above fact, theory explains the fact. Evolution is plain as day in the natural world. The theory of evolution is mans attempt to diagram and explain what he sees. You see the beauty of science is that theres something called falsifiability. Present a single peice of evidence in contradiction to the present theory and the entire thing either falls apart or needs to be reworked, that is science. The ongoing quest for knowledge. The theory of evolution as it stands contains no glaring inconsistencies. And thus is as factual as anything else. I'm going to go ahead and assume that since you do not believe in evolution, that you perhaps accept a religious derived answer. Religion in it's essence is faith based and requires no substantiated evidence. In which case you have not "informed" yourself but rather deluded. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:21 Thats_The_Spirit wrote: Thats a good read. I believe that religion and evolution can go hand in hand. Another simple way of looking at evolution is with the following example: Imagine a population of butterflies with all sorts of different colors living in an area with a lot of different flowers. A portion of the population migrates to another area where there are predominantly yellow flowers. The yellow butterflies can sit easily on the yellow flowers, while the blue, green and purple butterflies get eaten by birds, simply because the birds can spot them more easily among the yellow flowers. The chances of getting offspring are far greater for the yellow butterflies. After a few decades 90% of the butterflies in this area are yellow. This example is so obvious and straightforward that the most stubborn creationist can't deny this chain of events. This is evolution. It's easy to grasp what can happen in 20 years, but its much harder for the human mind to try and grasp what can happen in 1 million years, even though the concept stays the same. No they can't go hand in hand. It's either one or the other and this has been well established. The most glaring inconsistency would be the time span as the bible says the earth is only a few thousand years old. Some people like to interpret the word day in genesis figuratively as meaning a huge time span but it's been established this is inconsistent with how the Book of Genesis uses day in the rest of it's passages. On top of that in the beginning there is a clear description of day meaning a period of light and then darkness. The second problem u run into is that evolution says we evolved from other primates while the bible says god made us and made all other animals. The theory that single celled organisms evolved into multicellular ones is again inconsistent with genesis which states God created the animals and Adam and eve named them... Therefore they were all present in the beginning | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Not believing in evolution is pretty much my definition of ignorant, crazy, and unwilling to listen to science. I used to think like that. But the more I listened to what people had to say, the more I realised active disbelief is almost invariably a product of revulsion. If someone is powerfully, emotionally motivated not to want something to be true, it's virtually impossible to batter that response down with mere reason and facts - and I'm talking about anyone here, and any subject. Jeering and contempt only serve to strengthen one's resolve to remain unconvinced, because now there's an unpleasant personality you don't want to be right, rather than just an abstract idea. Not believing in evolution is not ignorant. It's not necessarily the product of ignorance alone, true. I hasten to add that 'ignorance' should not be taken as a slight. There are many things of which we are all happy to remain ignorant, and it does not diminish us in the least. Evolution is still a theory and everyone has the right to agree or disagree after having informed him/herself. Not precisely correct. Common descent, which is what we sometimes mean when we say 'evolution', is an established fact. There is very little of which it is possible to be more completely certain. The theory of evolution, the nuts and bolts of how it all works, remains in a state of flux - and rightly so. Natural selection over millions of years is not evolution itself but a mechanism of evolution? Yes, carpentry is not the same as the mechanism of carpentry, but do you really want to nitpick here? A better analogy would be to say 'Carpentry is not the same as the mechanism of sawing wood.' It's not nitpicking to point out that carpentry includes the use of saws, but also many more techniques. Similarly, natural selection is only one mechanism driving evolution. Indeed, natural selection must be considered an intermittent and variable force, weak in some places and times, strong in others, for evolution to account for the variety of creatures alive today. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
GO EVOLUTION! | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:24 Butigroove wrote: Not believing in evolution is pretty much my definition of ignorant, crazy, and unwilling to listen to science. Just sayin'. The butterfly thing is an example of Natural Selection, a mechanism of evolution, not evolution itself. Please don't make "ignorant" assumptions about me. I love science and how it has progressed, and I'm even amazed at the thing we are able to do in today's world. Just because I don't believe in evolution doesn't mean I'm some "crazy, ignorant" guy and "unwilling to listen to science." Just sayin' | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
On June 18 2010 23:03 Piste wrote: Wow.. I'm going to ask this although I know I shouldn't. But you really believe that the god created everything? And you don't believe in dinosaurs and shit? Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:03 In)Spire wrote: Please don't make "ignorant" assumptions about me. I love science and how it has progressed, and I'm even amazed at the thing we are able to do in today's world. Just because I don't believe in evolution doesn't mean I'm some "crazy, ignorant" guy and "unwilling to listen to science." Just sayin' I wouldn't go as far as to call you crazy, but I would say you were ignorant and unwilling to listen to science if you refute the theory of evolution. Which part of it doesn't sit right with you? What's your proposed theory? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:05 In)Spire wrote: Yes, I'm a creationist (sorry if all my opinions are going to seem meaningless to all non-creationists now) and believe that God has made all existing things. And as contradictory as it seems, I do believe in dinosaurs. If God can make stars and planets then I'm pretty sure he can make dinosaurs. Please don't take this as me insulting you but can you tell me what is it about creationism that makes it a more valid hypothesis than the theory of evolution which is supported by masses of evidence? Or is it simply a matter of faith in which you are being willfully ignorant. | ||
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Ryhn
United States509 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:29 Ryhn wrote: I believe in micro evolution, but not macro. They're the exact same mechanism. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:29 Ryhn wrote: I believe in micro evolution, but not macro. There are 350,000 species of beetles described with plenty still to be discovered. Is this explained by evolution? Where is the line between micro and macro? | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:29 Ryhn wrote: I believe in micro evolution, but not macro. This is the kind of shit that I hear in Georgia all the time. Otherwise intelligent people saying that little talking point drilled into them by religious institutions. Newsflash: microevolution and macroevolution are not terms that actual biologists use, at least not since the early 1900's. If you are to accept that these are legitimate terms, you would realize that they are the same thing. | ||
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Nadagast
United States245 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Poll: After reading this: I have always believed in evolution. (28) Read this only because there are two more hours until next game. (3) I was a creationist, but now evolution makes sense to me. (1) God made everything. No discussion needed. (1) I was an evolutionist, but now I have found my faith. (1) 34 total votes Your vote: After reading this: (Vote): I have always believed in evolution. I would be really interested to see how many creationists changed their mind after reading this. + Show Spoiler + my guess: 0 | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 19 2010 01:10 zenMaster wrote: The reason why people reject some science like evolution, but accept other science like the earth is round and gravity, is that evolution directly contradicts creationism, which indirectly says that their whole lives are devoted to a lie. Defense mechanism turns on at this point and rejects all possible evidence and labels evolution as false. To my knowledge the vatican caved in on the earth being sperical eventually. Perhaps theres is hope after all! | ||
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