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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
June 18 2010 16:46 GMT
#41
Some of my personal favourites that get people to at least entertain the idea that evolution is true is to simply mention the redundancies some of our human anatomy, such as how our eyes have blindspots, how we have an appendix that doesn't really do anything and how we have wisdom teeth insist on growing despite the lack of room in our jaw.
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
June 18 2010 16:58 GMT
#42
Well if someone doesn't "believe" in evolution - good luck coming up with a theory that fits the scientific data gathered better
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
June 18 2010 17:01 GMT
#43
On June 19 2010 01:46 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Some of my personal favourites that get people to at least entertain the idea that evolution is true is to simply mention the redundancies some of our human anatomy, such as how our eyes have blindspots, how we have an appendix that doesn't really do anything and how we have wisdom teeth insist on growing despite the lack of room in our jaw.

The blind spot in our eyes is caused by the internal structure. It correlates to the position on the retina straight in front of the nerve bundle that connects it. Speaking in terms of survival, having two eyes mitigates the negative effect of blind spots.

Researchers are looking into a possible function of the appendix as a storage for gut bacteria, enabling our guts to restore to a similar balance of ecosystem after for example an guttural infection or perhaps famine troubles.

Wisdom teeth? Yeah, beats me too.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
June 18 2010 17:03 GMT
#44
On June 19 2010 01:58 JohannesH wrote:
Well if someone doesn't "believe" in evolution - good luck coming up with a theory that fits the scientific data gathered better

If the current situation is created as is, and has not changed, then there is no need for evolution. (And the data on fossils could be from species now extinct that were once created alongside the currently surviving species.)

I might not be complete here in an alternative explanation, but there's always an answer when you can use mechanisms that do not require supporting evidence of their existence.
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Intr3pid
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Switzerland336 Posts
June 18 2010 17:04 GMT
#45
Evolution is not something you BELIEVE in. We are not talking about faith when presenting evolution. It's either you use your brain to process what you see and deduct conclusions for yourself, or you are a person of faith and believe what you are being told blindly.

And here it is why the non-religious approach is better:
If tomorrow undiscardable evidence of God (let's say another example of the bible and christianity on another planet) appeared, I would accept it and change my previous point of view. In contrast, a person of faith would never ever change their mind no matter what the fact, because the pure definition of faith makes the opinion unarguable. Of course there is no point in complaining about it, but it's still sad.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
June 18 2010 17:14 GMT
#46
Well if someone doesn't "believe" in evolution - good luck coming up with a theory that fits the scientific data gathered better

Is belief one way or the other necessary for survival, in the hunter/gatherer sense of the word?

The only thing worse than the people who deny it because it "destroys religion" are the people who actively promote it because it "destroys religion".

Evolution is real, but if you think it killed your God, then you're doing it wrong.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
June 18 2010 17:20 GMT
#47
Wisdom teeth? Yeah, beats me too.

Without a dentist there aren't that many ways to replace teeth that fall out.

It's either you use your brain to process what you see and deduct conclusions for yourself, or you are a person of faith and believe what you are being told blindly.

What about the people who blindly believe in evolution without any clue of the evidence?
The plural of anecdote is not data.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
June 18 2010 17:21 GMT
#48
I don't believe in gravity, God's love holds everything together!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
June 18 2010 17:27 GMT
#49
If you believe in mutations and natural selection you believe in evolution.

Now show me the guy who doesn't believe in mutations or natural selection. You can only not believe in evolution if you've never really listened to the theory.
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
June 18 2010 17:37 GMT
#50
Wooh wooh wooh ... to people stating that evolution is fact... um no.

Evolution is a theory, to which most fact agree, and few if any dispute. This results in the theory being generally accepted. This does not result in the thoery being fact.

Which is why we still say the thoery of gravity not the fact of the gravity.


@op nice post!

ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
June 18 2010 17:57 GMT
#51
On June 19 2010 02:20 gyth wrote:
Show nested quote +
Wisdom teeth? Yeah, beats me too.

Without a dentist there aren't that many ways to replace teeth that fall out.

Show nested quote +
It's either you use your brain to process what you see and deduct conclusions for yourself, or you are a person of faith and believe what you are being told blindly.

What about the people who blindly believe in evolution without any clue of the evidence?


You are on who wants to be a millionaire. You get asked, what compound would best neutralize a 2 molar solution of HF. You have no idea what the answer is because you don't know chemistry so you use your lifeline to call a friend. You know a chemist, a janitor, and a lawyer. Who would you call?

You are a person living on earth right now, you get asked, do you accept the theory of evolution? You don't know biology at all but you know that 99% biologists accept the theory of evolution but that many religious figures find fault with evolution. Who do you trust?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 18 2010 18:03 GMT
#52
Evolution itself has a lot of evidence to support it. Theories in science are WELL SUPPORTED. If they weren't they would be called hypotheses. It's common for laypeople to throw around theory like it's just something that's trivial, but theories have a lot of evidence behind them.

My "favorites" are transposons and redundant pseudogenes:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Pretty good analysis on recurrent laryngeal nerve though... was interesting to note since we just went over this in gross anatomy. Vagus is a pretty cool nerve itself.


Abiogenesis, however, I haven't seen enough evidence to support that though which makes me feel that it's pretty questionable at this point in time.
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
June 18 2010 18:10 GMT
#53
On June 19 2010 02:20 gyth wrote:
Show nested quote +
Wisdom teeth? Yeah, beats me too.

Without a dentist there aren't that many ways to replace teeth that fall out.

Show nested quote +
It's either you use your brain to process what you see and deduct conclusions for yourself, or you are a person of faith and believe what you are being told blindly.

What about the people who blindly believe in evolution without any clue of the evidence?


How does that make sense? It's more common to lose front teeth than back teeth.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
June 18 2010 18:25 GMT
#54
On June 19 2010 03:10 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2010 02:20 gyth wrote:
Wisdom teeth? Yeah, beats me too.

Without a dentist there aren't that many ways to replace teeth that fall out.

It's either you use your brain to process what you see and deduct conclusions for yourself, or you are a person of faith and believe what you are being told blindly.

What about the people who blindly believe in evolution without any clue of the evidence?


How does that make sense? It's more common to lose front teeth than back teeth.


People are like sharks, we are expected to lose teeth. Teeth grow in the back and move forwards, pushing the old ones out. When you walk in the alleys behind bars you'll often find discarded teeth.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
June 18 2010 18:31 GMT
#55
We're made by lightning striking a mud puddle! People evolved from rocks! Monkeys give birth to humans! Evolution is wrong.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
June 18 2010 18:41 GMT
#56
Trying to convince people they shouldn't take a 1500 year old book literally is a lot fucking harder then it should be. You can pretty much accept that you will never convince these types of people with facts and science, because they just discard any arguments you bring up that conflict with their belief, and then throw nonsensical bullshit back at you

"God is real"
"prove it"
"YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T REAL"
is the same as:
"I can fly and shoot rainbows out my ass"
"prove it"
"YOU CAN'T PROVE I CAN'T"

One should get you locked in an insane asylum, the other does get you locked in an insane asylum

http://www.geekstir.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/scienceandreligion.jpg
here be dragons...
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
June 18 2010 18:59 GMT
#57
Which is why we still say the theory of gravity not the fact of the gravity.

And here I thought it was the curvature of space-time...
But such is science, the new theory still agrees with the old results, just ever expanding its regions of applicability.

P.S. And call your dentist about HF, duh ^_^
The plural of anecdote is not data.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
June 18 2010 19:02 GMT
#58
"God is real"
"prove it"
"YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T REAL"
is the same as:

"God isn't real"
"prove it"
"YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T REAL"
The plural of anecdote is not data.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
June 18 2010 19:22 GMT
#59
I just read about this because it was on reddit, along with a really cool video of Dawkins. Contains a dissection so if you are squeamish you may not want to watch it.

twitter: @terrancem
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 18 2010 19:31 GMT
#60
On June 19 2010 00:07 Wohmfg wrote:
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On June 19 2010 00:03 In)Spire wrote:
On June 18 2010 22:24 Butigroove wrote:
On June 18 2010 22:20 In)Spire wrote:
On June 18 2010 21:18 mOnion wrote:
just as a Christian I'd like to go ahead and say that not all of us are ignorant, crazy and unwilling to listen to science. Some of us believe evolution can be the answer to "how" and not "why"

just sayin

cute read


I concur with this. Although personally I don't believe in evolution, I still love science and find it amazing sometimes and I'm pretty open minded about scientific matters.
Fun read tho bruh

Not believing in evolution is pretty much my definition of ignorant, crazy, and unwilling to listen to science.

Just sayin'.

On June 18 2010 22:21 Thats_The_Spirit wrote:
Thats a good read.
I believe that religion and evolution can go hand in hand.

Another simple way of looking at evolution is with the following example:
Imagine a population of butterflies with all sorts of different colors living in an area with a lot of different flowers.
A portion of the population migrates to another area where there are predominantly yellow flowers. The yellow butterflies can sit easily on the yellow flowers, while the blue, green and purple butterflies get eaten by birds, simply because the birds can spot them more easily among the yellow flowers.
The chances of getting offspring are far greater for the yellow butterflies. After a few decades 90% of the butterflies in this area are yellow.

This example is so obvious and straightforward that the most stubborn creationist can't deny this chain of events.
This is evolution. It's easy to grasp what can happen in 20 years, but its much harder for the human mind to try and grasp what can happen in 1 million years, even though the concept stays the same.

The butterfly thing is an example of Natural Selection, a mechanism of evolution, not evolution itself.



Please don't make "ignorant" assumptions about me. I love science and how it has progressed, and I'm even amazed at the thing we are able to do in today's world. Just because I don't believe in evolution doesn't mean I'm some "crazy, ignorant" guy and "unwilling to listen to science."
Just sayin'


I wouldn't go as far as to call you crazy, but I would say you were ignorant and unwilling to listen to science if you refute the theory of evolution. Which part of it doesn't sit right with you? What's your proposed theory?



Truthfully, the thing that just doesn't fit right with me is how one small organism came to transform into ALL living organisms today. ADAPTATION is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. That is something I do NOT disagree with. But how it adapted into every single thing alive is beyond me. I obviously have a lot more objections, but this is generally what I'm picky about.
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