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...all thanks to Flash.
There is this feeling you get whenever you know that someone is too good for the game. The game completely revolves around this player, and nothing in the game other than the player seems to matter. No other player seems to matter anymore (with the exception of Jaedong), as the first thing that you do is compare them to Flash and realize that they are nothing. When Flash loses, it's a big fucking deal, enough for fantasy to start jumping up and down like a maniac or for Stork to start making jealous comments. No other strategy seems to matter, it doesn't matter if you can think of some new strategy, Flash is there to overwhelm anything. All other players seem to completely pale in comparison.
And then you watch the Flash games, and you realize that, he's going to win. Doesn't matter if you can take an early game advantage, you're getting outmacro'd and outmultitasked. Your cheese only works when you get extremely lucky and kill that scv when the Barracks is 99% complete. And even when your vultures come in, the vulture gets surrounded by SCVs and killed. Doesn't matter what strat the opponent uses, you know Flash will win, the only question is how badly. And in the off chance Flash loses a legitimate game, it's an uproar.
It's almost as if, at this stage, there is nothing new under the sun. Flash's dominance is so suffocating that I believe that it is extremely difficult to think about any other player without thinking "man, how bad is Flash going to rape this guy". Everything, strategies, player rank, etc, all seems to be completely set in stone, and if not, of little significance.
I can't get myself to watch this game anymore. Flash has broken the game.
 
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just like savior broke the game during his reign?
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On May 14 2010 07:43 Lightswarm wrote:
just like savior broke the game during his reign?
just like savior, just like iloveoov, just like nada.
If you catch my drift.
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Personally I love it when someone like flash comes along it's something amazing for someone to dominate in something so competitive.
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Welcome to the new age of starcraft, the age of Lee Young Ho
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Efforts going to change that pretty soon don't worry.
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On May 14 2010 07:46 Megalisk wrote:
Efforts going to change that pretty soon don't worry.
Kal will see effort off shortly.
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On May 14 2010 07:45 Zurles wrote:
Personally I love it when someone like flash comes along it's something amazing for someone to dominate in something so competitive.
This. I love watching flash's games wondering whether he'll continue his monstrous streak or lose.
When I was watching flash vs fantasy ace match, I was so excited. If it was just any other player, I would have just lol'd.
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I remember back when Savior revolutionized ZvP. It was awful for all Protoss players. I couldn't watch any ZvP matches, especially involving Savior, since I was certain the zerg player was going to win. That was how it was.
Then Bisu came along and 3-0'd him.
Reigns end. Flashs' will as well, but I fear it will only be because SC2 comes out. He looks absolutely beastly right now: 2400 ELO seemed impossible not so long ago, and now 2450 is not that far away. Absolutely sickening.
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god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. maybe sc is different or w/e in that respect but its not to the point where its not fun to watch.
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I hope not, if Flash retired undeafeated, professional Brood War would be worse for it. The thought of reaching the end of the line of starcraft evolution. That is a scary thought.
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The more invincible Flash looks to someone, the worse they understand the game.
Sure he's the best player ever and is the heavy favourite against every player not named Jaedong, but he has off days too. You can still see holes in his gameplay and times where he messes up. That's why I find it so interesting to watch his games, it's the best but still not perfect.
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flash hasn't revolutionized anything, he is just flat-out better than everyone. that's fucking hard to topple.
watching flash is awesome, though; you might know who is going to win the match, but the way he makes his opponent look like a confused noob is always good stuff.
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On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything, he is just flat-out better than everyone. that's fucking hard to topple.
watching flash is awesome, though; you might know who is going to win the match, but the way he makes his opponent look like a confused noob is always good stuff.
I think Flash revolutionize the idea that if the Terran out expanded his opponent, the game will turn into a rape fest.
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I can't enjoy starcraft as much thanks to Bisu and firebathero, and Stork is not doing so good either. And just when I am starting to like a player, Flash comes along and rapes the shit out of them (see Kal, Free, Pure, MVP).
I guess this is a great era if you are a fan of terran or Flash, but seeing your favorite players' souls crushed really takes away from the enjoyment of watching the game. I don't mind if a player sits at the top, like Jaedong, but when someone who looks so invincible in TvP (I am a fan of good protoss players), it really takes away from competition which in turn breeds enjoyment.
Flash's TvT and TvZ both are strong but does not look invincible on VODs so it is fun watching because you can feel the competition in them against tough opponents. But god damn his TvP is so fucking solid that it is frustrating to watch on my part as a toss fan and player. I am like, wtf is a guy suppose to do against this shit.
/End rant
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Flash will sit on Kal's face, just you guys watch 
I hope stork starts doing good, hes the only protoss player i can bear watch at the moment 
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On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time.
Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sunday
You say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant.
Take a moment to think about that.
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I loooove watching flash play. I love it for the same reason I love watching Anderson Silva in the UFC. It's so awesome to see someone play at the very, very top of their respective sport. Sure, it sucks for the person who has to play against them, but if I've learned anything about sports by following the starcraft scene for the past 8 years it's this: The best don't stay the best forever. There will come a time when flash is toppled. It might not be any time soon, but it will happen.
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On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything.
You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?
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On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything. You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?
Or besides how he changed the way people play TvZ by moving out with MM before mutas popped to delay turret timings into a extremely tank heavy late game, starting in round 1 of Proleague...
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On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything. You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?
i think u got things mixed around, 6 dragons came to be after double armory build waned in effectiveness.
as for the OP: though it is perhaps inevitable that flash sinks back closer to the norm in terms of win percentage, i hope it's because of an overall rise in the skill level of the players than a reduction of flash's playing ability. i'm excited to see what kinda techniques other players will come up with to overcome flash.
if they can't and flash truly does have the game beat... then perhaps the time has come for bw to fade into obscurity. but i don't think that's the case just yet
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On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sundayYou say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant. Take a moment to think about that.
To add to this...
a team sport is much different than an individual game.
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Your OP made me think about my perception of bw and it really popped in my mind that I simply don't get the feeling of tension and excitement when watching exactly because I compare everything to Flash's way of playing. The only mu that I can really enjoy now is PvZ. Nevertheless, I am incredibly excited about the upcoming finals, especially because of the possibility of Flash vs JD.
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Flash is obviously chobo. He can't even beat Nal Ra lol.
+ Show Spoiler +I was cheering for Flash at the beginning of the series last night, but that was one of the most one sided rapes I've ever seen. It was actually depressing looking at Free as firebats sauntered over to his probes
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On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything. You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?
yeah I was about to say... but its beautiful how the game keeps getting deeper
i fear eventually its gonna end up to the point where no one builds a damn thing but workers because everything else has been "solved" lol
i'm watching flash v free right now and i'm loving it as much as i used to. i like this a lot, it makes it much easier to keep up with the good games
just watch anything with flash and you're going to see someone lose in a horrifying way
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On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sundayYou say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant. Take a moment to think about that.
please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.
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Fact is there is a luck factor which is more important in starcraft than in tennis, even I could win against flash with a lucky 4 pool against a 14 cc ( my winrate would be 0.001%), but I would never defeat a pro tennis player, not even once out one million games. Thats why a 80% winrate in starcraft is so impressive.
By the way, even if I'm impressed by flash, I'm always rooting for his opponent and it's always a disappointment.
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On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sundayYou say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant. Take a moment to think about that. please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.
lol you have terrible manners.
I don't understand your comparison with others sports it is completly different.
Having a 50+% win ratio at pro level is really good.
Flash's 72.09% is godly.
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On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sundayYou say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant. Take a moment to think about that. please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.
No man Power Outage..
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Uh how can you compare tennis, or any other sport, with Starcraft. For one Starcraft has something called fog of war.
I'm pretty sure if Flash played a standard macro game with fog of war off, he'd have around a 100% win rate because cheese or sneaky bullshit like surprise carriers wouldn't work.
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I love watching flash dominate, and at the same time i still love watching everyone else play (both proleagues and starleagues).
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when flash first came into the scene (2007ish?) all he did was cheese and I hated him hardcore.
Now I love watching him and play and hope he rapes in every set he plays.
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This is gonna be all the more hilarious when Flash doesn't win either league. Kal + Jaedong/Calm will put a stop to Flash's Terran scum ways soon enough.
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On May 14 2010 10:08 OneFierceZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:38 Jugan wrote:On May 14 2010 07:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
god, hes not even that good... i mean look at other sports where teams/players go undefeated the whole season. flash loses about 1/5 of the time. Do you understand how extremely hard it is to go undefeated? Have you ever heard the term "Any Given Sunday"? It's a term very easily applied to starcraft. If you don't know what it means, take a look at this brief definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=any given sundayYou say Flash loses 1/5 of the time, as if he's bad. It is nothing short of MIND BLOWING that he loses only 1/5 of the time, if not less. In order to win, you need to train incredibly hard. Factor in that he is the pillar of support for KT Rolster in the proleague, that he is in the finals of BOTH individual leagues, and that a game can be won or lost on the slightest misclick or half a second of blindness... Not to mention that he plays against the BEST OF THE BEST. They are called "PROGAMERS" for a reason... And aside from the fact that he has to play A LOT games on top of that (meaning he's obviously bound to lose some), just because flash may lose to somebody that he's "supposed to beat" (which, in reality, is everyone) doesn't make him "bad" or any less dominant. Take a moment to think about that. + Show Spoiler +
please dont act like you know shit. nothing short of mind blowing. rofl gtfo. there are tennis players who have 40+ win streaks, hell look at lance armstrong, going up against hundreds of people and still coming out on top consistently. someone has only broken SC when he goes undefeated. which will not happen. you people can call flash your bonjwa or w/e it means because yes he is doing better than savior but dont pretend hes some form of god. hell he gets beat by jaedong half the time. and when it mattered most he lost 3-1 to him. so shut the fuck up about it already. and as im reading this i see a little post called "how is flash doing so well" oh thats just great. "you do realize that he competes with the best of the best..." yeah and im pretty sure the every other professional athletes do the same for whatever sport they are in. dur dur dur dur.
Don't be trolling yo
your posting on a STARCRAFT forum
On May 14 2010 14:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
This is gonna be all the more hilarious when Flash doesn't win either league. Kal + Jaedong/Calm will put a stop to Flash's Terran scum ways soon enough.
Someone doesn't believe in the alien 
if Flash loses both leagues, imagine what the forums will erupt into
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I've followed all of Flash's recent games. I still don't get the chills I got when watching Savior in his reign.
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is what L Armstrong did to tour de france
Is what M Schumacher did to formula one
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Just bumping to let everyone know that mantoss has restored every hope i had for this game tonight.
Fuck, that ace match was epic.
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On May 14 2010 08:41 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 08:03 hyst.eric.al wrote:
flash hasn't revolutionized anything. You mean aside from the fact that he brought the reign of the 6 dragons to an end with his double armory goliath build?
I think you have your history a bit screwed up. The Six Dragons period of dominance was late 2008 and early 2009. Flash's double armory build debuted in early 2008, where it rocketed him to victory in the GSI and Bacchus OSL.
EDIT: seems I missed d_so's response.
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