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So as some of you might have noticed
On mangafox, probably the biggest manga website on the internet where you can read all manga 100% free with regular updates, all manga with any of the tags "mature, yuri, yaoi, loli, shota, echhi" and a few others have been instaremoved.
This has been the result of this PoS article
http://l7world.com/2010/04/google-sponsors-child-pornography.html
This one article has caused multiple websites to have to remove pretty much most of their content in a panic.
This is basically destroying the manga community, nearly every single popular manga has instances of these tags, and its pretty disgusting the kind of censorship that is going on as a result.
Any of you affected by this? How do you feel?
I'm updating all my bookmarks to http://www.mangatoshokan.com/ now, but it will never be the same as mangafox.. QQ
Mangafox had the awesome forums for every single manga with loads of people posting so you could discuss your favourite manga that is what i am going to miss the most.
It seems that website has most of the manga i want to read up to date (except for bokura ga ita)
Anybody know any good alternatives where there is a similar discussion level like mangafox so i can chat about my favourite mangas with people?
QQ a sad day for manga
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Don't understand why they would remove yuri/yaoi/ecchi. Seems like an overreaction tbh.
I get loli though.
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Onemanga > Mangafox. Nuff said...
But if onemanga goes out like boom bang pow, I'll cry.... for real... that's something you don't see everyday which is how important it is to my life.
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United States4126 Posts
Why do I still see yuri/ecchi/smut etc in the search options? :O
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OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
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They remove "echhi?"
Bullshit.
Echhi is one of the biggest categories in manga.
Some people want to read echhi manga and some choose not to.
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
I lol'd at this. Looked the title again, saw MeganFox Naked, and lol'd again. But yeah. I've been wondering what exactly happened; Thanks for the article. Hopefully nothing happens to onemanga...
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Fuck. Now I only see MeganFox Naked.
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ya isnt onemanga the biggest and even mangastream bigger than mangafox?
but ya, this is really a pointless ban imo, you have children killing there parents, shooting there school and what is done about that, nothing, but as soon as some1 see a racy photo or image, the hammer must come down to stop the injustice
really wtf
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wait, ecchi manga are all nuked? seriously?
if anything, only loli/shota should be removed....
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So get rid of all the gay loli shit and leave the good manga..
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 20 2010 11:40 johnlee wrote:
Fuck. Now I only see MeganFox Naked.
There are worse problems to have.
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There just might be enough overlaps between regular ecchi and lolicon genres to remove and ban a great chunk of shounen series (considering lots of them are partly ecchi).
I hope the possible cut-off point (what's illegal and what's not) doesn't end up being too high.
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so will crap like to-love-ru and sekirei be banned? or love hina? and basically all ecchi involving high schoolers?
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Baa?21244 Posts
MangaFox has a lot more smaller/less well known mangas than Onemanga tbh, and I used it more than Onemanga. While I haven't read manga in forever and I don't really care for those tags, censorship like this is still bullshit.
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On April 20 2010 11:48 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
so will crap like to-love-ru and sekirei be banned? or love hina? and basically all ecchi involving high schoolers?
MAHOU SENSEI NEGIMA NOOOooooooooo??;;;;;;;;
One of mahh faveezzz...;;;
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United States24705 Posts
This thread got me reading on wikipedia a bit about the laws regarding computer generated child pornography. Apparently, it's illegal to posses images/videos of virtual children engaging in sexual activities? I thought it was only illegal if it is meant to depict a specific real child or if it actually has real children in it (as opposed to hand-drawn fictitious characters).
How exactly does banning that 'protect' children? Is my preliminary analysis wrong? I'm not so much defending fictitious child pornography as I am trying to find where a reasonable place to draw the line is.
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You scared me that I wouldn't be able to finish reading Sundome, but that's still on there. There's just a little "mature" warning that you have to agree to before you can see it, now.
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Yeah, they always had that. I can still see all the manga. Whats the problem?
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On April 20 2010 11:56 micronesia wrote:
This thread got me reading on wikipedia a bit about the laws regarding computer generated child pornography. Apparently, it's illegal to posses images/videos of virtual children engaging in sexual activities? I thought it was only illegal if it is meant to depict a specific real child or if it actually has real children in it (as opposed to hand-drawn fictitious characters).
How exactly does banning that 'protect' children? Is my preliminary analysis wrong? I'm not so much defending fictitious child pornography as I am trying to find where a reasonable place to draw the line is.
Having depictions of fictitious characters is illegal too. The whole idea behind it is that it encourages the industry that actually does go out and victimize people by showing that there is a market for it. The thing with child pornography is that it's one of those things that pretty much everyone is against and wants to stay as far away from as possible and no sensible law maker is actually going to put his neck on the line to argue as to where exactly the boundary should be because he would be accused of being a pedophile no matter how reasonable his argument may be. Of course every law should be sensible, but in this case, I think the general public just accepts that this is something where we don't want people to be able to knit pick and walk the fine line between legal and illegal. For better or worse, that's just how it is and probably how it will stay.
On the topic, I seem to recall a case I read about a while back where some guy had to plead to a 10 year prison sentence for his manga collection because it was technically child porn and his lawyer said once the jury saw the images there would be no way they'd understand anyway. Apparently these weren't some hardcore child porn comics either, but rather just a collection of ecchi japanese manga with their typical childish characters...
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you guys can always try Mangatoshkan or something like that...it had waaay more manga's than MangaFox or OneManga had.
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
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On April 20 2010 11:32 QuickStriker wrote:
Onemanga > Mangafox. Nuff said...
But if onemanga goes out like boom bang pow, I'll cry.... for real... that's something you don't see everyday which is how important it is to my life.
most of my friends use onemanga
OM > mangafox imo
and wtf child p0rn mangas o.O
On April 20 2010 12:17 OmgIRok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
So did I. Wtf?
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They are just drawings ...
where do you draw the line, would stick figures be illegal?
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On April 20 2010 12:06 HeartOfTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 11:56 micronesia wrote:
This thread got me reading on wikipedia a bit about the laws regarding computer generated child pornography. Apparently, it's illegal to posses images/videos of virtual children engaging in sexual activities? I thought it was only illegal if it is meant to depict a specific real child or if it actually has real children in it (as opposed to hand-drawn fictitious characters).
How exactly does banning that 'protect' children? Is my preliminary analysis wrong? I'm not so much defending fictitious child pornography as I am trying to find where a reasonable place to draw the line is. Having depictions of fictitious characters is illegal too. The whole idea behind it is that it encourages the industry that actually does go out and victimize people by showing that there is a market for it. The thing with child pornography is that it's one of those things that pretty much everyone is against and wants to stay as far away from as possible and no sensible law maker is actually going to put his neck on the line to argue as to where exactly the boundary should be because he would be accused of being a pedophile no matter how reasonable his argument may be. Of course every law should be sensible, but in this case, I think the general public just accepts that this is something where we don't want people to be able to knit pick and walk the fine line between legal and illegal. For better or worse, that's just how it is and probably how it will stay. On the topic, I seem to recall a case I read about a while back where some guy had to plead to a 10 year prison sentence for his manga collection because it was technically child porn and his lawyer said once the jury saw the images there would be no way they'd understand anyway. Apparently these weren't some hardcore child porn comics either, but rather just a collection of ecchi japanese manga with their typical childish characters...
There's two recent (last 5-6 years, anyway) cases similar to that in the US.
The one you're probably thinking of is Christopher Handley's case. As I understand it, it's not so much that it's classified as child porn, and the charges weren't child porn charges, but obscenity charges. Granted the end result is the same, but since he was charged on obscenity and not child porn, I think that makes the whole issue a bit murky. Also, a list of titles he was prosecuted for was posted, and it was some hardcore loli; not ecchi. He plead guilty and got 6 months.
I still think the entire thing is bullshit. Of course I'm against child porn, but no even if lolicon can be quite perverse, it's still drawings on paper that don't hurt a person. Whereas the production of child porn harms the children used to produce it, and people seeking it out only encourages more production. There's no evidence that looking at loli leads to viewing real child porn. But you're right, I'm sure. Very few would be willing to defend it (or risk their freedom) and thus while it may not be downright illegal, it's probably safer to avoid it.
The other instance I'm aware of where someone was prosecuted for loli was the Whorley (?) case. Basically, the dude was an actual pedophile, served time, was released, and viewed loli on a state computer. No evidence was found that he had real child porn, and he said he found loli as an acceptable substitute or something. He probably deserved the arrest, if for nothing but idiocy. And while this is speculation on my part, if he was in society, and loli truly kept him from viewing real child porn, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
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On April 20 2010 12:29 ViruX wrote:
They are just drawings ...
where do you draw the line, would stick figures be illegal?
i dunno, but i recall some guy getting arrested for having simpsons porn with bart and lisa
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ew, simpson's porn? thats just weird.
loli might really be keeping tons of pedos at bay here. do we really want them to prey on little girls irl?
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onemanga for everything
mangastream for naruto/bleach/onepiece <-- they come out quicker, high qual, and better trans
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On April 20 2010 12:21 love1another wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked So did I. Wtf?
Also guilty as charged :p
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I saw meganfox nuked lol but now all i can see that title as is meganfox naked thanks thread...
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United States24705 Posts
On April 20 2010 12:31 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 12:06 HeartOfTofu wrote:On April 20 2010 11:56 micronesia wrote:
This thread got me reading on wikipedia a bit about the laws regarding computer generated child pornography. Apparently, it's illegal to posses images/videos of virtual children engaging in sexual activities? I thought it was only illegal if it is meant to depict a specific real child or if it actually has real children in it (as opposed to hand-drawn fictitious characters).
How exactly does banning that 'protect' children? Is my preliminary analysis wrong? I'm not so much defending fictitious child pornography as I am trying to find where a reasonable place to draw the line is. Having depictions of fictitious characters is illegal too. The whole idea behind it is that it encourages the industry that actually does go out and victimize people by showing that there is a market for it. The thing with child pornography is that it's one of those things that pretty much everyone is against and wants to stay as far away from as possible and no sensible law maker is actually going to put his neck on the line to argue as to where exactly the boundary should be because he would be accused of being a pedophile no matter how reasonable his argument may be. Of course every law should be sensible, but in this case, I think the general public just accepts that this is something where we don't want people to be able to knit pick and walk the fine line between legal and illegal. For better or worse, that's just how it is and probably how it will stay. On the topic, I seem to recall a case I read about a while back where some guy had to plead to a 10 year prison sentence for his manga collection because it was technically child porn and his lawyer said once the jury saw the images there would be no way they'd understand anyway. Apparently these weren't some hardcore child porn comics either, but rather just a collection of ecchi japanese manga with their typical childish characters... There's two recent (last 5-6 years, anyway) cases similar to that in the US. The one you're probably thinking of is Christopher Handley's case. As I understand it, it's not so much that it's classified as child porn, and the charges weren't child porn charges, but obscenity charges. Granted the end result is the same, but since he was charged on obscenity and not child porn, I think that makes the whole issue a bit murky. Also, a list of titles he was prosecuted for was posted, and it was some hardcore loli; not ecchi. He plead guilty and got 6 months. I still think the entire thing is bullshit. Of course I'm against child porn, but no even if lolicon can be quite perverse, it's still drawings on paper that don't hurt a person. Whereas the production of child porn harms the children used to produce it, and people seeking it out only encourages more production. There's no evidence that looking at loli leads to viewing real child porn. But you're right, I'm sure. Very few would be willing to defend it (or risk their freedom) and thus while it may not be downright illegal, it's probably safer to avoid it. The other instance I'm aware of where someone was prosecuted for loli was the Whorley (?) case. Basically, the dude was an actual pedophile, served time, was released, and viewed loli on a [b]state[/] computer. No evidence was found that he had real child porn, and he said he found loli as an acceptable substitute or something. He probably deserved the arrest, if for nothing but idiocy. And while this is speculation on my part, if he was in society, and loli truly kept him from viewing real child porn, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
Seems like a very poor move by lawmakers. It seems like just about anything can get passed if you can make the claim that it's meant to protect our children.
I definitely don't believe that the law is protecting children... and is illogical for the reasoning you provided.
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On April 20 2010 11:54 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 11:48 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
so will crap like to-love-ru and sekirei be banned? or love hina? and basically all ecchi involving high schoolers? MAHOU SENSEI NEGIMA NOOOooooooooo??;;;;;;;; One of mahh faveezzz...;;;
SO GOOD! For like 80 chapters it was terrible ecchi filler but now its all action packed and stuff >:0
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I think there needs to be a "Megan Fox Naked" thread to complement this one.
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On April 20 2010 11:43 FrozenArbiter wrote:There are worse problems to have.
omg~ THE frozenarbiter comments on my insignificant comment~
What if now I see MeganFox Nuked? LOL
That would be quite a problem.
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
me too...
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konadora must be really down right now..
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On April 20 2010 13:22 scyper wrote:
konadora must be really down right now..
its why he hasnt posted =\
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personally i'm not sure what is more disturbing
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On April 20 2010 11:43 FrozenArbiter wrote:There are worse problems to have.
This is a problem? :3
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My younger cousins keep a crapload of tabs open on their browsers all the time... All on mangafox, I never knew it was so popular. Though I lost interest awhile ago. :/
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Does onemanga have a good bookmark/update system so i can know when new stuff of the mangas im reading come out?
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I just fucking watched transformers.
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What's with everyone saying Onemanga > Mangafox?
Onemanga only has the mainstream stuff....
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onemanga seems alright but i dont think of much about their update system
also they got KnJ blocked QQ
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I use http://www.mangareader.net/ for most of the mainstream manga. They update their manga superfast compared to onemanga.
And http://www.thespectrum.net/ for more seinen genre manga like beserk , vinland saga, sanctuary and much more + they upload the mainstream manga like OP , bleach , naruto , fairy tail.
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I also read "Megan Fox naked". INstaclick.
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
hahaha same
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On April 20 2010 17:39 BrTarolg wrote:
Does onemanga have a good bookmark/update system so i can know when new stuff of the mangas im reading come out?
Yeah, try their beta site:
http://beta.onemanga.com/
It works well enough for me, and I like the layout of OM over every other site. I don't know much about the speed of uploads and quality of the scans, but I as long as the scans come out once a week I don't really care much about when. I assumed that only one or two scanlation groups did each manga, so the quality wouldn't be different, but people here disagree.
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Canada8031 Posts
On April 20 2010 19:08 BrTarolg wrote:
onemanga seems alright but i dont think of much about their update system
also they got KnJ blocked QQ
Just use RSS feeds.
This sucks. I used to use onemanga all for most series before I found out just how much stuff they're missing. Mangatoshokan looks like a pretty decent alternative though.
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Ironically i only used mangafox to read kodomo no jikan
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On April 20 2010 11:40 johnlee wrote:
Fuck. Now I only see MeganFox Naked.
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I came to this post saying I was truly sad about mangafox getting nuked but found some other useful sites thx to some of you :D. (I'm still sad though)
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Just to add to this, I was just looking to check out some porn (well, actually just picures of Christina Aguilera in this case :D) when I suddenly had problems with the previews. One second, there wasn't not any problem viewing the images, then, a moment later, I get a message on the browser from my ISP, saying that they have chose to block the website. The website they are blocking is a known imagehost, hotlinkimage.com. It would seem from the message that they are blocking it due to someone having uploaded child porn onto it, which is fucking rediculous. Then they might as well block any website that has had such uploaded. And we are talking about Denmark here, one of the societies in the world which has traditionally, in modern times, been the most open and the least restrictive of its citizens and things such as free speech, freedom of expression, etc.
This ISP did the same with ThePirateBay, which is also incredible (mostly due to the fact that it should not be possible to ask ISPs to censor sites, something which I believe they are still fighting in court), but that is a whole other matter. Anyway, here is the message:
The National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police, who assist in investigations into crime on the internet, has informed TDC, that the internet page which your browser has tried to get in contact with may contain material which could be regarded as child pornography. On recommandation of The National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police TDC has blocked the access to the internet page. If you have any objections against the internet page being blocked, please contact TDC. The Danish Anti-Distribution Filter covering pictures and movies showing sexual abuse of children is part of a European police co-operation (CIRCAMP) for the prevention of commercial and sexual exploitation of children. According to Section 235 of the Danish Criminal Code it is a criminal offence to disseminate, possess or for a payment or through the internet to become acquainted with child pornography. The maximum penalty can in certain cases be imprisonment for up to 6 years. Information on criminal conduct on the internet may be passed on to the National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police. Are you in need of help or guidance in relation to child pornography, please visit www.brydcirklen.dk.
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked goddamit me too.
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You can just use an FTP ... gotlurk.net
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we all saw it as MeganFox Naked. I also never cared about mangafox because of the billions of anime sites
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On April 21 2010 08:31 Asjo wrote:
This ISP did the same with ThePirateBay, which is also incredible (mostly due to the fact that it should not be possible to ask ISPs to censor sites, something which I believe they are still fighting in court), but that is a whole other matter.
I'm going to take a tangent here, but I want to say this:
An ISP is providing you a private service, not a public one, therefore in a sense they are in the right when it comes to censorship. You're using their service, they are not obligated to allow access to any website in the world.
However, capitalism doesn't work when the customer doesn't know what he (or she) is purchasing. ISP's should be obligated to be upfront in terms of what kind of services they provide and a change of policy should not be something that can be implemented effective immediately. Customers need to be given the opportunity to re-evaluate the service they are receiving and consider changing services.
Of course, everything I'm saying comes with a drawback. In many parts of the world you have limited choices regarding your ISP. If I want internet at my apartment, I have to use the service that the apartment complex has signed up with if I want cable internet. I don't even know if I can get DSL and nobody in their right mind uses dial-up. I've been satisfied with my service, but still -- lack of consumer choice kills a free market.
Just a rant from a crazy person...
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onemanga's getting nuked too
what do i do T_T
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There seem to be a lot of censorship cases cropping up recently relating to anime/manga.
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onemanga has gotten rid of all "mature"
AIKI is gone. i am sad
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AIKI, Elfen Lied, Sekirei, and umi no misaki may all just disappear!
if theres a site that has only these "mature" manga, and does nothing to attract little kids, would that be immune from this censorship crap?
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IIRC isn't this about google's ToS and it mentioned 'significant' traffic.
So if you find a site... don't spread it around too much!
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Crap, I'm pretty sure both Fairy Tail and History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi carry "ecchi" tags, even though the ecchiness is very peripheral and unimportant. If onemanga removes them I will be pissed.
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Canada8031 Posts
On April 28 2010 09:49 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
AIKI, Elfen Lied, Sekirei, and umi no misaki may all just disappear!
if theres a site that has only these "mature" manga, and does nothing to attract little kids, would that be immune from this censorship crap?
http://www.mangatoshokan.com/series/Aiki
Mangatoshokan is my new favorite site.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
No more Ecchi? x.x
What on earth can I do now.
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Every time I see this thread title I think "MeganFox Naked" I bet i'm not the only one.
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Wow, I just went to that manga site and opened up .hack//GnU Chapter 1. I've never read this but holy crap. This manga is about kids who are playing an MMORPG, and it shows how like people say whats happening in the real world inside of the mmorpg world. Totally weird.
It reminds me of that saying: Hey, I heard you like games so i put a game in your game so you can game while you game or whatever. Its like reading about a fake world within a fake world lol. Anyway, totally random.
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Does Claymore fall into this category? o_O Been waiting for monthly releases on OneManga for years.
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First i saw MeganFox Naked i was like "YES!!!"
Then i realized it was Mangafox Nuked i was like "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU"
Seriously though i love mangafox
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On April 28 2010 12:41 Solinren wrote:
Does Claymore fall into this category? o_O Been waiting for monthly releases on OneManga for years.
Claymore has been suspended from onemanga due to copyright issues.
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Where can I find mai Claymore now? =( Followed it for so long and finally the battle sene is starting again. I NEED MY CLAYMOARR!!
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You can obtain it legally through purchase from the North American vendor.
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Spenguin
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From my little understanding of these laws it's not illegal to have/distribute manga with loli content right? But it is illegal to distribute all manga via internet because no one pays for it right? Well most of the popular manga...
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On April 21 2010 10:27 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 08:31 Asjo wrote:
This ISP did the same with ThePirateBay, which is also incredible (mostly due to the fact that it should not be possible to ask ISPs to censor sites, something which I believe they are still fighting in court), but that is a whole other matter. I'm going to take a tangent here, but I want to say this: An ISP is providing you a private service, not a public one, therefore in a sense they are in the right when it comes to censorship. You're using their service, they are not obligated to allow access to any website in the world. However, capitalism doesn't work when the customer doesn't know what he (or she) is purchasing. ISP's should be obligated to be upfront in terms of what kind of services they provide and a change of policy should not be something that can be implemented effective immediately. Customers need to be given the opportunity to re-evaluate the service they are receiving and consider changing services. Of course, everything I'm saying comes with a drawback. In many parts of the world you have limited choices regarding your ISP. If I want internet at my apartment, I have to use the service that the apartment complex has signed up with if I want cable internet. I don't even know if I can get DSL and nobody in their right mind uses dial-up. I've been satisfied with my service, but still -- lack of consumer choice kills a free market. Just a rant from a crazy person...
Sorry for my late reply. I just saw your comment when using the new TL function of seeing a user's posts and backtracking my old comments. However, I just wanted to point out that was I meant was that companies should not be able to force ISPs to block something, not that ISPs weren't in their right to. The ISPs don't want to be the ones to censor internet access of the private user and are fighting this ruling for obvious reasons, however, until the courts decide to change their mind, the ISPs are forced to censor these sites.
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On June 05 2010 21:06 Asjo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 10:27 Mortality wrote:On April 21 2010 08:31 Asjo wrote:
This ISP did the same with ThePirateBay, which is also incredible (mostly due to the fact that it should not be possible to ask ISPs to censor sites, something which I believe they are still fighting in court), but that is a whole other matter. I'm going to take a tangent here, but I want to say this: An ISP is providing you a private service, not a public one, therefore in a sense they are in the right when it comes to censorship. You're using their service, they are not obligated to allow access to any website in the world. However, capitalism doesn't work when the customer doesn't know what he (or she) is purchasing. ISP's should be obligated to be upfront in terms of what kind of services they provide and a change of policy should not be something that can be implemented effective immediately. Customers need to be given the opportunity to re-evaluate the service they are receiving and consider changing services. Of course, everything I'm saying comes with a drawback. In many parts of the world you have limited choices regarding your ISP. If I want internet at my apartment, I have to use the service that the apartment complex has signed up with if I want cable internet. I don't even know if I can get DSL and nobody in their right mind uses dial-up. I've been satisfied with my service, but still -- lack of consumer choice kills a free market. Just a rant from a crazy person... Sorry for my late reply. I just saw your comment when using the new TL function of seeing a user's posts and backtracking my old comments. However, I just wanted to point out that was I meant was that companies should not be able to force ISPs to block something, not that ISPs weren't in their right to. The ISPs don't want to be the ones to censor internet access of the private user and are fighting this ruling for obvious reasons, however, until the courts decide to change their mind, the ISPs are forced to censor these sites.
It strikes me that the distinction between when an ISP is "forced" into censoring or not is very vague and not something you can easily legally enforce.
But it seems like you have information that has lead you to believe otherwise. Can you link me to an article discussing a court hearing on this matter?
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On April 28 2010 13:53 Solinren wrote:
Where can I find mai Claymore now? =( Followed it for so long and finally the battle sene is starting again. I NEED MY CLAYMOARR!!
mangareader
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Jesus, they are just drawings.
People are so easily offended these days.
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On April 20 2010 11:40 johnlee wrote:
Fuck. Now I only see MeganFox Naked.
I read it as "MeganFox Nuked" which made no sense so I looked at it again.
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Holy shit wow. This is lame...
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On April 20 2010 11:34 mOnion wrote:
OKAY
So I definitely thought this said
MeganFox Naked
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On June 06 2010 00:48 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2010 21:06 Asjo wrote:On April 21 2010 10:27 Mortality wrote:On April 21 2010 08:31 Asjo wrote:
This ISP did the same with ThePirateBay, which is also incredible (mostly due to the fact that it should not be possible to ask ISPs to censor sites, something which I believe they are still fighting in court), but that is a whole other matter. I'm going to take a tangent here, but I want to say this: An ISP is providing you a private service, not a public one, therefore in a sense they are in the right when it comes to censorship. You're using their service, they are not obligated to allow access to any website in the world. However, capitalism doesn't work when the customer doesn't know what he (or she) is purchasing. ISP's should be obligated to be upfront in terms of what kind of services they provide and a change of policy should not be something that can be implemented effective immediately. Customers need to be given the opportunity to re-evaluate the service they are receiving and consider changing services. Of course, everything I'm saying comes with a drawback. In many parts of the world you have limited choices regarding your ISP. If I want internet at my apartment, I have to use the service that the apartment complex has signed up with if I want cable internet. I don't even know if I can get DSL and nobody in their right mind uses dial-up. I've been satisfied with my service, but still -- lack of consumer choice kills a free market. Just a rant from a crazy person... Sorry for my late reply. I just saw your comment when using the new TL function of seeing a user's posts and backtracking my old comments. However, I just wanted to point out that was I meant was that companies should not be able to force ISPs to block something, not that ISPs weren't in their right to. The ISPs don't want to be the ones to censor internet access of the private user and are fighting this ruling for obvious reasons, however, until the courts decide to change their mind, the ISPs are forced to censor these sites. It strikes me that the distinction between when an ISP is "forced" into censoring or not is very vague and not something you can easily legally enforce. But it seems like you have information that has lead you to believe otherwise. Can you link me to an article discussing a court hearing on this matter?
Sure, here is an article, hope that will do: Danish Supreme Court Upholds Pirate Bay Ban
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