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... Or is it how we all become? Aka - Once upon a time there was a very nice male cat...
I just thought of this line from a song of Skyclad yesterday. I am truly disgusted by the spite of some people and their actions. So here is the the story of the cat called Grey.
He was born two years ago in a litter of three male kittens. They used to live in a basket on the yard of my wife's father. One of Grey's brothers lives with me and my wife.
All of the three cats are so nice and they just adore petting. The one that lives with us is so nice we call him Sweety. He is just begging to be petted to the point where he becomes nagging. I even slap him from time to time and he never show any aggression. His brother Grey was the same - every time we went to the house he was there around us. Begging like his brother fir attention and trying to sneak to someone's lap and purr there for some time.
About three days ago he disappeared and came back yesterday looking ill - vomiting and nauseous. Me and my wife are vets and we took him to the clinic where she used to work. By this time he was very bad - with very low rectal temperature and very pale mucuses. I thought he had suffered some trauma and has liquid in his abdomen which a life threatening condition. Upon further examination it turned out he was shot with an air rifle and he has peritonitis. After some heating with an air drier and bottler with warm water and Oxygen in his lungs he went to surgery. An hour later the surgeon (who is in fact the best in Bulgaria and adores cats) called on the phone and said that Grey didn't make it. I was driving the car home cause we had to go see our 2 month old baby and we were no good to the cat anymore.
When I heard the news I was crushed. A torrent of thoughts rushed in my mind: "Why?", "Why this cat?", "He has never been aggressive in his life and just wanted to be touched and held and petted!", "How the fuck do you shoot a peaceful cat in the middle of a capital city in the European union!?!", "What kind of disgusting pleasure does this bring you, you sick motherfucker?!?", "Whoever did it - I hope you get all sorts of painful cancers and twist and scream in prolonged agony to the point where Morphine can't help your pains! And then I hope you hurt some more!", "What if he missed the cat and hit a child with this air gun cause cats have the toughest skins?!?", "A month ago my other cat died at the age if 16 at least and from an illness not like this senseless death!", "I can understand to take down an aggressive dog who is threatening kids or something but this is... I just don't get it...". My wife was also crying.
So - farewell to the grey cat Grey! I hope you're hugging all of our lost animals in the animal heaven! Farewell, Grey!
  
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
RIP, whoever shot your cat must have been a sick fuck
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2010 19:17 Rekrul wrote:
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut oh god hahahahha
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I'm sorry to hear about your cat - that's a really terrible story.
Also, Skyclad leads me to those kinds of philosophical contemplations without such a sickening event in my life. I can only imagine what the lyrics could bring up at an actual time of stress.
Condolences.
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England2662 Posts
On February 07 2010 19:10 hymn wrote:
"How the fuck do you shoot a peaceful cat in the middle of a capital city in the European union!?!",
I find it interesting that you mentioned European Union like that. I'm unaware it would make any difference if it was inside or outside the EU. In Finland there have been school shootings and they're in the EU too. Are bulgarians really this happy about being allowed in?
Also a note: Sucks to have any pet die, especially like this.
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it's not an uncommon or unknown fact that people are just cruel by nature, kids are the worst i think... some time later common sense kicks in and gives them some self-control.
too bad you had to find this out in such a harsh way.
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On February 07 2010 19:17 Rekrul wrote:
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut
LOL wow
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On February 07 2010 19:17 Rekrul wrote:
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut
LOL
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On February 07 2010 20:42 HeaDStrong wrote:
it's not an uncommon or unknown fact that people are just cruel by nature [...]
too bad you had to find this out in such a harsh way.
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On February 07 2010 21:27 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 20:42 HeaDStrong wrote:
it's not an uncommon or unknown fact that people are just cruel by nature [...]
too bad you had to find this out in such a harsh way.
Shark attack -> 1) Shark mistook human for turtle, 2) Shark mistook human for hostile, 3)Shark was hungry
Human attack -> 1) Human had a gun and was "practicing aim"
Oic now
On February 07 2010 19:27 Spenguin wrote:
RIP, whoever shot your cat must have been a sick fuck
^ =(
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Cmon rekrul, you know you gotta cut your cats balls off, or they do crazy shit like that.
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On February 07 2010 21:48 Catch]22 wrote:
Cmon rekrul, you know you gotta cut your cats balls off, or they do crazy shit like that.
rekrul's exterior is all for show, he would never do that to a cat he is a giant teddy bear and no one knows it.
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people dont like cats. thats why you keep them in and don't let them out bothering people with air guns.
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From The Dark Knight:
Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Fits perfectly and is absolutely true.
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wait.... really? you want someone to die a horrible painful death because they shot your cat with an air rifle?
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On February 07 2010 23:24 Piste wrote:
people dont like cats. thats why you keep them in and don't let them out bothering people with air guns.
This sadly is very true, I'd never let my cats out without going with them because I know there's a hundred sad sick fuckers just waiting to practice target shooting.
On February 07 2010 23:42 whatusername wrote:
wait.... really? you want someone to die a horrible painful death because they shot your cat with an air rifle?
Human nature. Wouldn't you want a revenge if someone did something very bad to you?
Different people get attached in different ways, to me the animals in my family are just like any other family members.
I know it makes little sense but if I saw something like that I know I would want to twist the persons head off with my hands. =(
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Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do.
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I don't think I form emotional connections with pets that much. I mean, they're nice to have around but in the end, they're just a pet.
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On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do.
I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle.
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On February 07 2010 19:17 Rekrul wrote:
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut LOL WTF
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United States4796 Posts
On February 07 2010 19:17 Rekrul wrote:
my old cat jumped out the 3rd floor window cuz it was too damn horny and never came back
what a slut
Rekrul laying down the law...?
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On February 07 2010 20:42 HeaDStrong wrote:
it's not an uncommon or unknown fact that people are just cruel by nature, kids are the worst i think... some time later common sense kicks in and gives them some self-control.
too bad you had to find this out in such a harsh way.
very true, so many kids are such selfish rude fucking bastards.
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On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle.
ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid
fucking retard
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On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard
So what? Is it reasonable what he does? Don't tell me he's 13, he doesn't know he could kill the cygnet when throwing stones at him. Probably you have no heart? Retard.
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I confess to shooting ducks with an air rifle from the 10th floor of my apartment. I guess I just wanted to see if the bullets fly that far.
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Poor kitty 
I don't think people are born bad. I don't believe in a criminal gene, and I think assuming one exists is dangerous thinking and leads to eugenics. There are traits we're all born with that can be used for 'good' or for 'evil.' I think sadism is a learned quality that all humans are capable of acquiring, though obviously that's not a good thing.
The only young kids I've ever known (when growing up) that never had a cruel moment, are kids who were already suffering and knew what it was like to be on the other side of the fence. So I also think sympathy is learned from personal tragedy.
Do you feel bad accidentally stepping on ants? Or purposely crushing mosquitoes? Maybe because they are like natural enemies we don't have to feel sympathy for them. I'm not saying it's wrong to feel bad for your pet cat, I'm just trying to encourage intelligent thought about what we do and don't perceive as cruel, and why. To you your cat was a furry friend who kept you company. To most people it was a cute cat, and someone's pet. To another person with little experience of the world, it was just some lower life form. The same way a cat will kill a bird, splay its intestines on the ground, and then not eat it, is the same way a kid who doesn't know cats are supposed to be pets thinks of it as target practice.
So again: No, people are not born bad, or born good (whatever either of those terms really mean).
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On February 08 2010 01:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard So what? Is it reasonable what he does? Don't tell me he's 13, he doesn't know he could kill the cygnet when throwing stones at him. Probably you have no heart? Retard.
Did you really just use the 'he started it' argument? wow
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On February 08 2010 02:08 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 01:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard So what? Is it reasonable what he does? Don't tell me he's 13, he doesn't know he could kill the cygnet when throwing stones at him. Probably you have no heart? Retard. Did you really just use the 'he started it' argument? wow
You act like I took a whole mountain and slammed it into the kids face...;; It was a small stone, I'm not a retard, but still for me an animal is nothing to touch / harm. I would also do something over a guy being harsh to a girl. I know its a complete wrong thing, still.
Sorry for calling you a retard btw-_-; .. seems we just have different opinions on that;
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I've got no proof but to me, someone who can hurt a pet is close to do the same to a human being.
I totally wish the death of the guy who shot your cat. Pet or not someone who torture something for kicks deserves to die.
About the kid who throw stone at cygnet, i'm conflicted i feel that he deserves the "punishment" (maybe it was a bit too much... ^^) but if i saw my kid punched by a stranger i sure won't be happy about it. xD
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You know, I'd feel a lot more pity if this was a dog, but I am very very much against cats being let outside of the house. You know why? Because cats go out murdering other animals 24/7 out of "instinct" and rarely even eat the animals they kill. They just do it for "fun." Strange how people condemn this imaginary kid for shooting the cat with an air rifle, yet don't think for a second the cat could be out there killing all kinds of birds, turtles, mice, etc.
There are serious issues with stray cat populations booming out of control and wiping out the local wildlife. It might look like a domestic little pussycat to you, but that little kitten becomes a savage motherfucker when it gets out of the house.
None of you have any clue why the cat was shot. I can think of several good reasons for why someone would want to drive a cat away from their property. You cannot let a cat run wild outside of the house and expect it to be okay. People have the right to shoot a cat, which is a ruthless killer, if it goes on their property. I say this as someone who has lost HIS pets to stray cats before and have been really damn steamed about it. I've also been a cat owner before but new a lot better than to go, "Oops! Lost track of little buddy! Hope he comes back safe!"
As a veterinarian, I'm sure the OP has seen numerous cases of other pets coming in with wounds from a cat attack. Or at least know the dangers of a stray cat as a carrier for disease. It's incredible to me that he would have this righteous anger about it as if anyone who dared to shoot the cat is some twisted psychopath sadist. While it could be a kid trying out his aim, it could also be someone who knows what cats can do when they're not under watch. I doubt people would freak out this badly if this was a story about a coyote being shot by a rancher. And the coyote would actually be killing other animals for his survival. Quite often, a housecat kills something and leaves it in the owner's tree. Sorry, but it's hard for me to get as lathered up in rage as some of the people here. Kitty is not as innocent and harmless as cat lovers would like to think.
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On February 08 2010 02:17 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 02:08 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 01:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard So what? Is it reasonable what he does? Don't tell me he's 13, he doesn't know he could kill the cygnet when throwing stones at him. Probably you have no heart? Retard. Did you really just use the 'he started it' argument? wow You act like I took a whole mountain and slammed it into the kids face...;; It was a small stone, I'm not a retard, but still for me an animal is nothing to touch / harm. I would also do something over a guy being harsh to a girl. I know its a complete wrong thing, still. Sorry for calling you a retard btw-_-; .. seems we just have different opinions on that;
Ya know fritz, attitudes like yours are what cause animal cruelty to be punished so lightly in today's world.
If the boy in question was stoning a little girl, everybody would say "OMG punch that dickhole in the face!!!"
But just because its a "lower life form" and probably can't philosophize about the pain its in and how easily it can be killed, its totally wrong to punish the boy in question.
I personally think the punching in the face might have been pushing the point, but still, those kinds of people should learn how to empathize. They should realize how they dislike having rocks thrown at them, and thus in the future will be less likely to throw rocks at animals for no good reason.
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On February 08 2010 03:23 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 02:17 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 02:08 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 01:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard So what? Is it reasonable what he does? Don't tell me he's 13, he doesn't know he could kill the cygnet when throwing stones at him. Probably you have no heart? Retard. Did you really just use the 'he started it' argument? wow You act like I took a whole mountain and slammed it into the kids face...;; It was a small stone, I'm not a retard, but still for me an animal is nothing to touch / harm. I would also do something over a guy being harsh to a girl. I know its a complete wrong thing, still. Sorry for calling you a retard btw-_-; .. seems we just have different opinions on that; Ya know fritz, attitudes like yours are what cause animal cruelty to be punished so lightly in today's world. If the boy in question was stoning a little girl, everybody would say "OMG punch that dickhole in the face!!!" But just because its a "lower life form" and probably can't philosophize about the pain its in and how easily it can be killed, its totally wrong to punish the boy in question. I personally think the punching in the face might have been pushing the point, but still, those kinds of people should learn how to empathize. They should realize how they dislike having rocks thrown at them, and thus in the future will be less likely to throw rocks at animals for no good reason.
It would be ridiculously hypocritical to try to punish people for animal cruelty and then give subsidies to the agricultural industry. In my opinion, if they try to push this animal cruelty thing any further, the law would be an absolute sham.
And this is coming from an animal lover who hates cruelty to animals. But I also hate illogical rationales for lawmaking. While animal cruelty is morally repugnant, it is even more repugnant to say that it is okay to abuse animals in the context of profiteering but illegal in the context of pleasure. It doesn't work.
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On February 08 2010 03:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You know, I'd feel a lot more pity if this was a dog, but I am very very much against cats being let outside of the house. You know why? Because cats go out murdering other animals 24/7 out of "instinct" and rarely even eat the animals they kill. They just do it for "fun." Strange how people condemn this imaginary kid for shooting the cat with an air rifle, yet don't think for a second the cat could be out there killing all kinds of birds, turtles, mice, etc.
There are serious issues with stray cat populations booming out of control and wiping out the local wildlife. It might look like a domestic little pussycat to you, but that little kitten becomes a savage motherfucker when it gets out of the house.
None of you have any clue why the cat was shot. I can think of several good reasons for why someone would want to drive a cat away from their property. You cannot let a cat run wild outside of the house and expect it to be okay. People have the right to shoot a cat, which is a ruthless killer, if it goes on their property. I say this as someone who has lost HIS pets to stray cats before and have been really damn steamed about it. I've also been a cat owner before but new a lot better than to go, "Oops! Lost track of little buddy! Hope he comes back safe!"
As a veterinarian, I'm sure the OP has seen numerous cases of other pets coming in with wounds from a cat attack. Or at least know the dangers of a stray cat as a carrier for disease. It's incredible to me that he would have this righteous anger about it as if anyone who dared to shoot the cat is some twisted psychopath sadist. While it could be a kid trying out his aim, it could also be someone who knows what cats can do when they're not under watch. I doubt people would freak out this badly if this was a story about a coyote being shot by a rancher. And the coyote would actually be killing other animals for his survival. Quite often, a housecat kills something and leaves it in the owner's tree. Sorry, but it's hard for me to get as lathered up in rage as some of the people here. Kitty is not as innocent and harmless as cat lovers would like to think.
Yeah but you forgot that Grey is a lovely nice cat who never hurts anything and just wants cuddles even if you slap him silly.
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is this for real? this op in written in such a trollish manner
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On February 08 2010 03:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
You know, I'd feel a lot more pity if this was a dog, but I am very very much against cats being let outside of the house. You know why? Because cats go out murdering other animals 24/7 out of "instinct" and rarely even eat the animals they kill. They just do it for "fun." Strange how people condemn this imaginary kid for shooting the cat with an air rifle, yet don't think for a second the cat could be out there killing all kinds of birds, turtles, mice, etc.
There are serious issues with stray cat populations booming out of control and wiping out the local wildlife. It might look like a domestic little pussycat to you, but that little kitten becomes a savage motherfucker when it gets out of the house.
None of you have any clue why the cat was shot. I can think of several good reasons for why someone would want to drive a cat away from their property. You cannot let a cat run wild outside of the house and expect it to be okay. People have the right to shoot a cat, which is a ruthless killer, if it goes on their property. I say this as someone who has lost HIS pets to stray cats before and have been really damn steamed about it. I've also been a cat owner before but new a lot better than to go, "Oops! Lost track of little buddy! Hope he comes back safe!"
As a veterinarian, I'm sure the OP has seen numerous cases of other pets coming in with wounds from a cat attack. Or at least know the dangers of a stray cat as a carrier for disease. It's incredible to me that he would have this righteous anger about it as if anyone who dared to shoot the cat is some twisted psychopath sadist. While it could be a kid trying out his aim, it could also be someone who knows what cats can do when they're not under watch. I doubt people would freak out this badly if this was a story about a coyote being shot by a rancher. And the coyote would actually be killing other animals for his survival. Quite often, a housecat kills something and leaves it in the owner's tree. Sorry, but it's hard for me to get as lathered up in rage as some of the people here. Kitty is not as innocent and harmless as cat lovers would like to think.
It's only a cat. If it's a nuisance you shoo it away! At worse you take a broom. Taking out your gun is pushing it a bit far i think...
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On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle.
You sir are my new idol. Seriously. I wish i had been there to see how owned that fucking retarded kid got...
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On February 08 2010 04:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
is this for real? this op in written in such a trollish manner
is this for real? this post inis written in such a trollish manner
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No its just bad parenting. I personally hate animals because I feel like they are almost a rock to talk to but I never hurt them cuz my mom told me when I was young that doing so is bad.
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On February 08 2010 04:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
is this for real? this op in written in such a trollish manner
You really want that award for the worst poster don't you?
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On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle.
you are just as violent as that kid will grow up to be. the only difference is that you believe in what you are doing is in the right. you are tricking yourself that your actions are righteous. the boy was wrong, but he still a boy who is developing mentally. you are an adult yet you would hurt a boy. why?
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That is just fucking disgusting :/
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On February 08 2010 01:53 Chef wrote:
I don't think people are born bad. I don't believe in a criminal gene, and I think assuming one exists is dangerous thinking and leads to eugenics. its called the human gene, and i would love to see most of this race vanish. straight to the point. i will read the rest of your post and this thread now.
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some people are just bad
most people can be raised to be good or bad though
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So is this written before or after your steak dinner?
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Interesting read. I always knew there was some kind of study about this but I didn't know the details. Makes perfect sense though.
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lol you sent your cat into surgery? Do you know how huge veterinary medicine bills are?
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On February 08 2010 01:37 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. ya totally reasonable reaction against a 12/13 year old kid fucking retard
12/13 is already pretty fucking old
"fucking retard"
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On February 07 2010 23:42 whatusername wrote:
wait.... really? you want someone to die a horrible painful death because they shot your cat with an air rifle?
i think that's a pretty normal reaction
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About trolling: I am not trolling at all.
About bills: I don't/didn't care what's the cost. I did what I could.
About the Triad: very interesting.
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Sometimes, its natural for kids to like to abuse little helpless animals because it gives them a sense of power since bigger people fight back. Parenting isn't the only factor regarding the amplification of this tendency (kids coud be bullied in school) and its up to the kids perspective of whether he feels abused or not (this perspective is often a result of parenting). Ultimately its the parents duty to instill a favorable mode of thinking and self-esteem in a child but there are many uncontrollable factors for families. A kid having an air rifle would imply that something went wrong with parenting though.
You have no idea who shot your dog and his/her life story so you shouldn't hate the shooter too much (can't do much about anyway) but rather mourn for the loss of your beloved pet and think about the good times.
Condolences and in response to the title, no people aren't born bad ^^ Thats like catholic thinking or how irresponsible parents think to absolve themselves of responsiblity.
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On February 09 2010 05:29 jcu wrote:
You have no idea who shot your dog and his/her life story so you shouldn't hate the shooter too much it was a cat.
and i hope you dont mean what you just said... because it would imply that noone would ever have to take responsibility for their actions - everyone is just a result of the (good and bad) experiences they made afterall.
it really doesnt work that way. regardless of how screwed up your life was, YOU still decide what you do and what you dont do.
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On February 08 2010 04:13 Squallcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 03:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
You know, I'd feel a lot more pity if this was a dog, but I am very very much against cats being let outside of the house. You know why? Because cats go out murdering other animals 24/7 out of "instinct" and rarely even eat the animals they kill. They just do it for "fun." Strange how people condemn this imaginary kid for shooting the cat with an air rifle, yet don't think for a second the cat could be out there killing all kinds of birds, turtles, mice, etc.
There are serious issues with stray cat populations booming out of control and wiping out the local wildlife. It might look like a domestic little pussycat to you, but that little kitten becomes a savage motherfucker when it gets out of the house.
None of you have any clue why the cat was shot. I can think of several good reasons for why someone would want to drive a cat away from their property. You cannot let a cat run wild outside of the house and expect it to be okay. People have the right to shoot a cat, which is a ruthless killer, if it goes on their property. I say this as someone who has lost HIS pets to stray cats before and have been really damn steamed about it. I've also been a cat owner before but new a lot better than to go, "Oops! Lost track of little buddy! Hope he comes back safe!"
As a veterinarian, I'm sure the OP has seen numerous cases of other pets coming in with wounds from a cat attack. Or at least know the dangers of a stray cat as a carrier for disease. It's incredible to me that he would have this righteous anger about it as if anyone who dared to shoot the cat is some twisted psychopath sadist. While it could be a kid trying out his aim, it could also be someone who knows what cats can do when they're not under watch. I doubt people would freak out this badly if this was a story about a coyote being shot by a rancher. And the coyote would actually be killing other animals for his survival. Quite often, a housecat kills something and leaves it in the owner's tree. Sorry, but it's hard for me to get as lathered up in rage as some of the people here. Kitty is not as innocent and harmless as cat lovers would like to think. It's only a cat. If it's a nuisance you shoo it away! At worse you take a broom. Taking out your gun is pushing it a bit far i think...
I can shoo a cat away but tell the bird or marsupial or frog or any other animal a cat preys on to "shoo" it away. They don't have that option. They just get murdered by the cat. So, I really don't feel any pity when a cat dies. It's a predator. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
To all the people who think cats are defenseless little cuddlies. They are not! They are ferocious killers that should be put down if they get outside the house. It's the pet owner's responsibility to keep their pet indoors or on a leash. Stray cats are a serious scourge to the natural wildlife in many parts of the world. They are an invasive species! I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do.
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On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do.
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Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol.
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On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol.
Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do.
People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds.
Feral Cat Colonies in Florida
Growing Feral Cat Problem
The Great Australian Cat Dilemma
These three links are some of the first things that come up on Google. It's ridiculously easy to find information on this issue, probably because it is a major issue. Stop letting your cats outside unattended.
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On February 08 2010 03:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It would be ridiculously hypocritical to try to punish people for animal cruelty and then give subsidies to the agricultural industry. In my opinion, if they try to push this animal cruelty thing any further, the law would be an absolute sham.
The farmer who slaughters livestock does it to feed hundreds of people. The kid who shoots a cat does it for the fuck of it. Please tell me you can see the difference.
On February 08 2010 03:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:
While animal cruelty is morally repugnant, it is even more repugnant to say that it is okay to abuse animals in the context of profiteering but illegal in the context of pleasure. It doesn't work.
I don't see how social utility arguments are repugnant in this context. You'll have to explain that to me.
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On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol. Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do. People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds.
A cat would be destroyed by a cygnet you have no idea lol.
The only kind of cats that would kill a cygnet are large hungry male feral cats and i'm not even sure they could take down an adult cygnet.
Most of home cats are scared by Common Magpie you know... a cygnet is like 5x larger.
Mine have only killed lizards and sometimes an Harvest Mouse or a Sparrow ( like if i care anyway :D )
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On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle.
Though hurting animals is wrong what you did is even worse then what he did. You punched a 12 year old in the face and threw a stone at him. And you're talking about it as if you're proud of what you did.
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On February 09 2010 07:09 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol. Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do. People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds. A cat would be destroyed by a cygnet you have no idea lol. The only kind of cats that would kill a cygnet are large hungry male feral cats and i'm not even sure they could take down an adult cygnet. Most of home cats are scared by Common Magpie you know... a cygnet is like 5x larger. Mine have only killed lizards and sometimes an Harvest Mouse or a Sparrow ( like if i care anyway :D )
They must grow them different in Andorra then lol. I don't know what to tell you man. I've seen cats in FL maul some serious things. Who knows though. We got a lot of hicks out here. Maybe some of them crossed their house cats with bobcats or something and made crazy beast hybrids. All I know is down here in dirty cats are vicious.
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On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol. Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do. People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds. Feral Cat Colonies in FloridaGrowing Feral Cat ProblemThe Great Australian Cat DilemmaThese three links are some of the first things that come up on Google. It's ridiculously easy to find information on this issue, probably because it is a major issue. Stop letting your cats outside unattended.
Your links are cool but we are not talking about feral cats man.
I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercice but he often spend his whole day with and i always pay attention to feed him.
edit: yea we are probably not talking about the same things 
In Europe feral cats are quite rare and real wildcats ( Felis silvestris ) are almost inexistent except in forests / mountains. Anyway they are smaller than your bobcats.
Most of the cats you will see outside are your normal home cat and they are all fed so they aren't real danger for anything larger than a mouse ( or others male cats if they aren't spayed :p )
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On February 09 2010 07:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 03:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It would be ridiculously hypocritical to try to punish people for animal cruelty and then give subsidies to the agricultural industry. In my opinion, if they try to push this animal cruelty thing any further, the law would be an absolute sham. The farmer who slaughters livestock does it to feed hundreds of people. The kid who shoots a cat does it for the fuck of it. Please tell me you can see the difference. Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 03:27 StorkHwaiting wrote:
While animal cruelty is morally repugnant, it is even more repugnant to say that it is okay to abuse animals in the context of profiteering but illegal in the context of pleasure. It doesn't work. I don't see how social utility arguments are repugnant in this context. You'll have to explain that to me.
He doesn't do it to feed anyone but his own family. Feeding hundreds is just a side-effect. And your argument doesn't make sense to me considering raising livestock is one of the most inefficient forms of agriculture known to man.
Eating meat is a luxury. Done for pleasure. Throwing rocks at a cat is a luxury. Done for pleasure. Just like people who go out duckhunting are doing it for fun. It'd cost them a lot less in both time and money to go and buy a farm-raised duck at the store.
While I sympathize with the OP's feelings and I too would be extremely upset if my pet was shot by someone for fun, I don't understand where there is a moral outrage over this kind of thing or a legal punishment considering so many other facets of our society routinely engage in animal cruelty for the sake of pleasure without any hindrance at all.
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On February 09 2010 07:16 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Eating meat is a luxury.
Tell me you are trolling :o
On February 09 2010 07:16 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand where there is a moral outrage over this kind of thing or a legal punishment considering so many other facets of our society routinely engage in animal cruelty for the sake of pleasure without any hindrance at all.
Uh ?
Care to elaborate ?
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On February 09 2010 07:11 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol. Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do. People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds. Feral Cat Colonies in FloridaGrowing Feral Cat ProblemThe Great Australian Cat DilemmaThese three links are some of the first things that come up on Google. It's ridiculously easy to find information on this issue, probably because it is a major issue. Stop letting your cats outside unattended. Your links are cool but we are not talking about feral cats man. I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercice but he often spend his whole day with and i always pay attention to feed him.
When a cat goes outdoors, it is feral at that time for all intents and purposes. I can't speak for what you personally do for obvious reasons. Maybe what you do is harmless. But there are numerous numerous reasons for not letting cats out unsupervised. The spread of rabies and other parasites/diseases is a huge factor.
And in general, look at the logic. "I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercise." That's not okay. That "little stuff" is part of the natural ecosystem. Your cat is not. It can get exercise a thousand other ways that don't involve killing. Just like people are here condemning this unknown person for getting a little air rifle practice on the OP's cat, letting your cat out to go kill things for exercise should be condemned.
But I'm not trying to call you out or anything. I'm just trying to let people know that letting cats out is damaging to the environment and has a lot of risks, both to the owner's cat, to other people's pets, and to the local wildlife. There is absolutely no reason for a domesticated cat to be let off the leash to run around outside. If the cat wants out, take him/her for a walk. This should be common sense. An animal should never be left unattended.
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On February 09 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:11 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On February 09 2010 06:57 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do. ??? Eh i always let my cats go outdoors... i don't understand what is your problem man. It is not like if it was a tiger or a lion lol. Go look up the impact of cats on local wildlife. Cats kill things for fun. And they're very good at killing. Stop letting your cats go outdoors. It's a fked up thing to do. People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds. Feral Cat Colonies in FloridaGrowing Feral Cat ProblemThe Great Australian Cat DilemmaThese three links are some of the first things that come up on Google. It's ridiculously easy to find information on this issue, probably because it is a major issue. Stop letting your cats outside unattended. Your links are cool but we are not talking about feral cats man. I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercice but he often spend his whole day with and i always pay attention to feed him. When a cat goes outdoors, it is feral at that time for all intents and purposes. I can't speak for what you personally do for obvious reasons. Maybe what you do is harmless. But there are numerous numerous reasons for not letting cats out unsupervised. The spread of rabies and other parasites/diseases is a huge factor.
My cat is vaccined vs pretty much everything including rabbies. The worst thing they can get is a flea.
On February 09 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:
And in general, look at the logic. "I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercise." That's not okay. That "little stuff" is part of the natural ecosystem.
Afaik natural ecosystem in suburbs isn't really natural anymore.
Furthermore sparrows, wall lizards ( lol they are everywhere ) and mouses aren't endangered species. Actually in suburbs except for cats they have no predators ( dogs can't really go outside, buzzards and foxes usually don't come too near of houses ).
On February 09 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Your cat is not. It can get exercise a thousand other ways that don't involve killing. Just like people are here condemning this unknown person for getting a little air rifle practice on the OP's cat, letting your cat out to go kill things for exercise should be condemned.
To be fair i value (semi) large mammals like a cat more than mouses or lizards. Also i don't understand how a cat killing a lizard has something to do with a person killing an animal for fun. You know what hunting is legal here but you can't shot randomly everything. I have no problem with people hunting wild animals to eat. But shooting cats / dogs / horses / etc for fun ... is retarded, cruel and illegal.
On February 09 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:
But I'm not trying to call you out or anything. I'm just trying to let people know that letting cats out is damaging to the environment and has a lot of risks, both to the owner's cat, to other people's pets, and to the local wildlife. There is absolutely no reason for a domesticated cat to be let off the leash to run around outside. If the cat wants out, take him/her for a walk. This should be common sense. An animal should never be left unattended.
Situation and habits are completly different in Europe i guess. Also i think you completly miss the fact that cats are really independant. I would agree with you to never let a dog alone but cats are really different ( and way smaller so they aren't a threat even for kids ).
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You also need to understand that the ecosystem in Europe is completly different than in the United States.
House cats are doing the job of small predators who are nowadays really rare ( Stoats, weasels, wild cats, martens, genets etc ... )
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Everyone is born bad... but I bet with enough practice anyone can get A-.
I remember when I was a lot younger I use to stamp on bees during break times, I've never been stung but it was a dumb thing to do anyway.
I also playfully threw rocks at a horse once, although I'm not regretful for that; horses are ugly, smelly, stupid and like to leave their huge dumps on the pavement.
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On February 09 2010 06:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 04:13 Squallcloud wrote:
It's only a cat. If it's a nuisance you shoo it away! At worse you take a broom. Taking out your gun is pushing it a bit far i think... I can shoo a cat away but tell the bird or marsupial or frog or any other animal a cat preys on to "shoo" it away. They don't have that option. They just get murdered by the cat. So, I really don't feel any pity when a cat dies. It's a predator. Live by the sword, die by the sword. To all the people who think cats are defenseless little cuddlies. They are not! They are ferocious killers that should be put down if they get outside the house. It's the pet owner's responsibility to keep their pet indoors or on a leash. Stray cats are a serious scourge to the natural wildlife in many parts of the world. They are an invasive species! I don't understand how the OP who is a vet can say that letting a cat run wild outdoors is an okay thing to do.
first of all, no life on this planet can be a scourge to any environment. if it dominates what has been there before its arrival its called being better adapted to it, this is how natural selection and evolution works and it also means that the species that get in trouble because of it are simply not suited to be there. you should understand that especially after saying "live by the sword, die by the sword" (which makes a surprising amount of sense tbh, i think the cat really couldnt complain even if it were able to communicate).
second thing: you lost a pet (i think it was you who wrote that). GET OVER IT. just because you didnt pay attention to your own pet and it fell victim to one of those "ferocious killers" doesnt mean all cats are evil, deserve to be shot at, suffer and die.
the reason for this is point 3: humans can feel empathy, are more aware than any other species on this planet and can think. so we dont have an excuse for murdering or hurting others, because we actually have a choice.
On February 09 2010 07:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:
People are on here cheering the guy who threw a rock at a kid for bothering a cygnet. Well, a housecat will do a lot worse than bother a cygnet. It'll snap its neck in half and claw it to shreds.
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On February 09 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:
And in general, look at the logic. "I let my cat go out and kill little stuff if he wants exercise." That's not okay. That "little stuff" is part of the natural ecosystem. Your cat is not. [...]
I'm just trying to let people know that letting cats out is damaging to the environment and has a lot of risks, both to the owner's cat, to other people's pets, and to the local wildlife. There is absolutely no reason for a domesticated cat to be let off the leash to run around outside. If the cat wants out, take him/her for a walk. This should be common sense. An animal should never be left unattended.
i dont understand how you can make so intelligent and good points at times, but such awfully thought through ones at the other.
how can a cat not be part of the ecosystem? cats are animals, any living being is part of nature. and ecosystems evolve, just as species do. this can seem drastic at times, when some ecosystems have been protected from competition because of isolation and then suddenly have to face it again, much like the american car industry which doesnt live up to the standards elsewhere. but in the end they will have to adapt, or go under.
as such no living thing can ever damage the environment, only the local wildlife. but that is a totally natural thing to happen. that some species were domesticated and introduced to ecosystems that were isolated from them before doesnt change that at all. it is still natures work. sooner or later some form of competition would have arisen anyways. no species lives forever without changing itself to better work with the changing environments it finds itself in.
and also, since you are arguing with the unnecessary suffering we inflict on cattle, dont you also think we should let ALL cats run free instead of putting a leash on them?
those things are common sense, too, btw. but as we all know unfortunately common sense really isnt that common. so i can only show you things you left out of your equasion and the inconsistencies that are in it.
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On February 09 2010 07:10 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 00:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 08 2010 00:03 ErOs_HalO wrote:
Bad parenting I suppose, when I was very very very young I remember having the opportunity to shoot an animal with a BB Gun.. and I thought to myself.. Gosh only a sick son of a bitch would do something like that...
It must be the parenting!
I don't get how young kids hurt animals.. a lot of children do. I once saw a boy, he was maybe 12/13 throwing stones at a cygnet. I went to him and punched im in his fucking face. I throw a stone at him after and asked if he liked that. I'd fucking kill someone who kill a cat with an air rifle. Though hurting animals is wrong what you did is even worse then what he did. You punched a 12 year old in the face and threw a stone at him. And you're talking about it as if you're proud of what you did.
the cygnet is an animal and as such innocent, even more so since it is not a predator in the way a cat is. the boy on the other hand is fully responsible for the actions he chose to commit. so i would say that without a doubt what that kid did is in fact worse than what naruto did to the boy.
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On February 09 2010 07:21 Boblion wrote:Tell me you are trolling :o no, why? what he said is absolutely right. raising cattle for food provides less supply than using the feelds used to provide for the cattle to provide food for humans.
i think the factor was something like 7-13, dont remember it exactly.
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My two cents:
On cats being killers: Yeah they tend to kill for fun. But you can't keep a cat responsible for killing a mouse the same way that you keep a person responsible for shooting a cat? Why not? Because when a man gets his rifle and decides to shoot a cat he realizes what he is doing. I am watching the two cats at home when they find a bug they freak out and try to kill it and eventually eat it but this is how they react. It's not like cats have the train of thought: I am bored. I see a cat. Where is my rifle? There it is! Why not shoot that cat? Yeah, why the fuck not? Here, let me aim! BANG! Hell that was so fun! That damn cat didn't see what hit it! HAHAHAHA! Have to find me another cat/dog/bird to kill it's so damn fun!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 09 2010 12:10 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:21 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:16 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Eating meat is a luxury.
Tell me you are trolling :o no, why? what he said is absolutely right. raising cattle for food provides less supply than using the feelds used to provide for the cattle to provide food for humans. i think the factor was something like 7-13, dont remember it exactly.
yea and cattle and stuff release so much methane and stuff right : (
should all be vegetarians~
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On February 09 2010 12:10 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:21 Boblion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:16 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Eating meat is a luxury.
Tell me you are trolling :o no, why? what he said is absolutely right. raising cattle for food provides less supply than using the feelds used to provide for the cattle to provide food for humans. i think the factor was something like 7-13, dont remember it exactly.
Except that humans being were hunters first before being breeders. Eating meat isn't a luxury, it is evolution.
Also good luck having a decent shape with 0 proteines. I don't want to be skinny and weak.
Your definition of "luxury" is so vague and twisted that it can include pretty much everything.
Eating rice is a luxury because grass is less expensive !
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