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MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
August 30 2009 10:02 GMT
#41
You know the USB or Firewire ports on the side of your computer? Use them.

Either you manually back up the importnant stuff you have OR Mac OS can do it for you with Time Machine - http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/time-machine.html

Or, as suggested in comments above, use Dropbox.

Also, harddrives crash whatever fucking system you have. My own built stationary PC:s processor crashed three months ago. If it can happen, it will.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
August 30 2009 11:06 GMT
#42
or just don't store any important data on your computer at all. That's what I usually do.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 30 2009 11:49 GMT
#43
I dunno how apple retail works in the states but in australia you can bring it into a local mac store and they will swap / repair the drive on the spot for you.
Rillanon.au
MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 12:01:20
August 30 2009 11:59 GMT
#44
On August 30 2009 20:49 haduken wrote:
I dunno how apple retail works in the states but in australia you can bring it into a local mac store and they will swap / repair the drive on the spot for you.


I thinks it´s the same policy worldwide.

But all Macusers are probably in denial, as so clearly pointed out here on TL whenever someone mentions Apple.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/08/apples-customer-satisfaction-up-despite-struggling-industry.ars
http://www.pcworld.com/article/117530/apple_tops_in_customer_satisfaction.html
http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/apple-customer-satisfaction-its-the-experience/
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/18/apple_leads_2009_customer_satisfaction_survey.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=ahi5j9WcL8VM&refer=us#
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 30 2009 12:38 GMT
#45
On August 30 2009 13:14 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 13:02 Aegraen wrote:
Wait until newegg has the new X-25M G2's in stock and buy one of those. You won't ever regret that purchase.


Wow Aegrean, already unbanned and trolling again? Don't listen to him, Mac's suck, buy a $1000 cheaper Windows laptop and never look back.


Are you a fucking idiot? I think yes.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 30 2009 12:43 GMT
#46
On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.

They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.


The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.

Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.


Seagate
Western Digital

Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.


If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.

I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
August 30 2009 14:42 GMT
#47
Bottom Line : Mac sux.
The highest knowledge is to know that we are surrounded by mystery
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
August 30 2009 14:56 GMT
#48
I'm sorry I trusted a $2000 computer that is barely 7 months old with a few files! My 4 year old Dell laptop hard drive has never failed on me despite being less than half the cost. Why would I expect a high quality mac drive to fail before a budget Dell?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
August 30 2009 15:18 GMT
#49
On August 30 2009 23:56 FragKrag wrote:
I'm sorry I trusted a $2000 computer that is barely 7 months old with a few files! My 4 year old Dell laptop hard drive has never failed on me despite being less than half the cost. Why would I expect a high quality mac drive to fail before a budget Dell?


DRIVES WILL FAIL. ALL OF THEM.

Yes, the ones that are very expensive will also fail. It is still your fault for not backing up. You can't "trust something because it costs more." That's mind-boggling.
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
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MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
August 30 2009 16:30 GMT
#50
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 16:51:16
August 30 2009 16:50 GMT
#51
On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.


Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.

How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.

How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 30 2009 17:04 GMT
#52
On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.

They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.


The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.

Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.


Seagate
Western Digital

Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.


If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.

I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O.

On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.

WD, Seagate, Samsung.

Newegg ratings mean nothing.
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Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 30 2009 17:15 GMT
#53
On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.

They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.


The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.

Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.


Seagate
Western Digital

Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.


If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.

I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.

WD, Seagate, Samsung.

Newegg ratings mean nothing.


Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models. Newer models like intel's X-25M G2 will last well over 30 years. NAND-Flash technology is not as brittle as mechanical.

The only thing holding back SSD right now is the price. In 2-3 years they'll be common place and everyone will think back to the antiquated HDD time and let out a /sigh of relief just like the jump from dial-up to cable was. That's how big of a technological leap SSD are.

Trust me, someone who has 2 X-25M G2's in RAID, with bootup times from the time I hit the on button to the time everything is fully loaded is under 10 seconds. The time where you can watch textures load into games is gone. Everything is instant. It's really the best upgrade you can get for your computer.



"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 17:28:58
August 30 2009 17:24 GMT
#54
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.


Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.


Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before.

On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless..


Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature.

And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.

On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.


He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 17:31:23
August 30 2009 17:29 GMT
#55
On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:
On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.


On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.


Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before.

On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless..

Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature.

And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.


On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.

He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.


Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592

Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 17:52:50
August 30 2009 17:52 GMT
#56
On August 31 2009 02:29 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:
On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.


On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.


Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before.

On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless..

Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature.

And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.


Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.

He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.


Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592

Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.


Funny thing is - the users do not think so. Why is that? Why is it that people continue to buy Apple´s products, again and again and again. And more and more people are doing it. I´ve been using computers since late 80´s, starting with amiga 500 - went through win 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP when I bought my first Mac four years ago. And right now there is nothing that Microsoft puts out that wants me to switch back.



PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 30 2009 17:59 GMT
#57
On August 31 2009 02:52 MacWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 02:29 Aegraen wrote:
On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:
On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.


On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.


Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before.

On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless..

Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature.

And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.


On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.

He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.


Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592

Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.


Funny thing is - the users do not think so. Why is that? Why is it that people continue to buy Apple´s products, again and again and again. And more and more people are doing it. I´ve been using computers since late 80´s, starting with amiga 500 - went through win 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP when I bought my first Mac four years ago. And right now there is nothing that Microsoft puts out that wants me to switch back.





Since your name is "macworld" I'm not even going to attempt to argue, can't believe anyone tried honestly.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 18:01:15
August 30 2009 18:00 GMT
#58
On August 31 2009 02:15 Aegraen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.

They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.


The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.

Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.


Seagate
Western Digital

Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.


If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.

I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O.

On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.

WD, Seagate, Samsung.

Newegg ratings mean nothing.


Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models.
Every time you post, whether it's in General, Broodwar of here, you post complete bullshit. MLC lifespan is terrible and old SLCs were under 100,000 cycles and the X25-M is the first one made that should beat out 5 years. 3TB daily lasting for over 12 years? Seriously, just stop posting forever.

NAND-Flash technology is not as brittle as mechanical.
There is no theoretical limit to the amount of writing a mechanical hard drive can take, like there is for flash.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 30 2009 18:07 GMT
#59
On August 31 2009 03:00 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 02:15 Aegraen wrote:
On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.

They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.


The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.

Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.


Seagate
Western Digital

Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.


If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.

I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O.

On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.

WD, Seagate, Samsung.

Newegg ratings mean nothing.


Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models.
Every time you post, whether it's in General, Broodwar of here, you post complete bullshit. MLC lifespan is terrible and old SLCs were under 100,000 cycles and the X25-M is the first one made that should beat out 5 years. 3TB daily lasting for over 12 years? Seriously, just stop posting forever.

Show nested quote +
NAND-Flash technology is not as brittle as mechanical.
There is no theoretical limit to the amount of writing a mechanical hard drive can take, like there is for flash.


I've come to notice he knows nothing as well, and I confirmed this when he tried to argue about macs, with someone named "Macworld".
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
August 30 2009 18:15 GMT
#60
I love how you bitch about MacBook and then use your iPhone to continue browsing the internets, you're such an Apple whore, suck on Jobs' infantile inadequate penis some more and then maybe when it runs dry of shitty products you will realize your mistake and switch to PC.

In other news, I hope this experience has taught you something: life sucks, and it sucks more when you rely on Apple. Good luck with your classes and "computer."

Hahahahaha.
Peace~
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