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Fuck!
Yesterday was one of the worst days of my life. My FagBook Pro's hard drive decides to die on me before I could print out my compsci lab and my English paper so I am now failing both english and comp sci because of a shit fucking hitachi hard drive. If the fucking mbp was more than 7 months old I could understand but the fucking computer is almost brand new =_=
you'd think that for a computer that has a theoretical cost of over $2000 would have a seagate or wd 7200 rpm drive but NO YOU GET A FUCKING HITACHI 5400rpm that crashes after 7 months of use. FUCK YOU APPLE GODDAMMIT !!!!
Now I have to browse tl with this iPhone as the mbp goes to the apple store. There isn't even a fucking capslock so I had to press a
shift button for every letter. This fucking blog tok more apm to type than it takes to play fucking Protoss.
Note: the iPhone autocorects protoss into Protoss o_o
just proves apple is gay IMO
 
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United States24637 Posts
You always hear stories about people saving stuff till the last minute than getting fucked by this bullshit. Just goes to show don't save things till the last minute!
And Mac Sux?
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Hitachi makes the worst hard drives possible, i have never seen one that didn't suck balls. Also apple marks up their computer nearly 75%, which is well known.
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On August 30 2009 12:49 micronesia wrote:
You always hear stories about people saving stuff till the last minute than getting fucked by this bullshit. Just goes to show don't save things till the last minute!
And Mac Sux?
I didn't. The paper was assigned that day and I finished the compsci lab the day before. I just didn't have the ink to print it.
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why do you have a hardrive that didnt ship with the computer. But now you know you should make back ups... but yeah that does suck :/ gl fixing it though. There is a way to fix everything ^^
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The hitachi drive shipped with the computer...
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sorry to hear that man... but honestly though, data loss can happen to any PC manufacturer...
all the more reason to save every 5 minutes, and if its important, keep saves on at least 2 locations, probably a flash drive.
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Wait until newegg has the new X-25M G2's in stock and buy one of those. You won't ever regret that purchase.
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On August 30 2009 13:02 Aegraen wrote:
Wait until newegg has the new X-25M G2's in stock and buy one of those. You won't ever regret that purchase.
Wow Aegrean, already unbanned and trolling again? Don't listen to him, Mac's suck, buy a $1000 cheaper Windows laptop and never look back.
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I'm going to buy an ibuypower laptop for college but i have to make due with this laptop so I am buying a wd 320gb 7200rpm hdd
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On August 30 2009 13:14 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 13:02 Aegraen wrote:
Wait until newegg has the new X-25M G2's in stock and buy one of those. You won't ever regret that purchase. Wow Aegrean, already unbanned and trolling again? Don't listen to him, Mac's suck, buy a $1000 cheaper Windows laptop and never look back.
wtf are you talking about? you realize x-25m has nothing to do with apple right?
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United States3824 Posts
Who's excited about Snow Leopard? Only 30 Bucks Wo0t!
There's my one troll for the year.
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thedeadhaji
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....... the prof didnt give you an extension? like... offer to get him a note from the IT office proving that your comp is indeed dead...
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On August 30 2009 12:47 FragKrag wrote:
This fucking blog tok more apm to type than it takes to play fucking Protoss.
I don't get this one bit. Supposedly, that's not saying much. So it took you what, 10 APM to type that?
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On August 30 2009 13:19 thedeadhaji wrote:
....... the prof didnt give you an extension? like... offer to get him a note from the IT office proving that your comp is indeed dead...
I don't know about his university, but at Virginia Tech, students are required to have an external hard drive and professors won't accept "my computer crashed" as an excuse for late work.
However, having a hard drive fail still sucks balls, even if you've backed up your data. Hope Apple gets it fixed soon.
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I'm in high school lol
there is an ap comp sci class and when I told the teacher he chuckled and left
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DROPBOX www.getdropbox.com
Auto-syncs your folders with the cloud. Makes sharing between multiple computers a breeze, and as long as your work is in a shared folder, it is ALWAYS backed up. Automagically.
I am fucking paranoid about losing data.
This would have solved your problems. I, however, take this to an extreme, and also use distributed version control systems (git is amazing) to backup my backups.
YMMV, but I have recovered from a full-blown drive failure in hours.
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why must you bring protoss into this 
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I've never been satisfied with any Apple product. I absolutely hated when I had an iPod, and when it died on me, I was more than happy to move to a 128MB drag and drop Creative.
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Uhh.. Do you know that there's a settings to enable Caps lock? With that, you just have to hold the shift key and it caps is on.. =.=
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Mine must ne unresponsive because it goes off shift after lik 1 or 2 letters
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that'll teach you not to Mac.
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On August 30 2009 14:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:
that'll teach you not to Mech.
fix
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BUT MACS DONT CRASH THEY'RE PERFECT
another macfag bites the dust.
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Just back the F*** up, it happens to all computers, not just mac =[.
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You use Mac, you were asking for this sooner or later. lmao
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
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why blame apple for hitachi's defective drive and allow every moron apple hater to post 'LOL YOU DESERVE IT'? but seriously, whenever i was in school and had to print something on campus, i'd put a copy on a flash drive then email a copy of it to myself should one of them happen to not work, single point of failure = recipe for disaster
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Yea I often e-mailed stuff to myself that way its stored on the glorious internets. But yea, thanks for reaffirming my sterotype that macs suck.
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That's computers, man. You gotta be super careful with anything sensitive. Back ups, and giving time for fixing malfunctions. You're basically like the the guy who get one bad beat in poker and acts like it's not his fault he had bad bankroll management. You gotta account for bad beats 
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not saying 90% of people wouldn't have been fucked the same way you were (as is the case in my analogy), I'm just saying why advertise it hahaha.
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Well, if hatachi doesn't have as good a reputation as other hard drive manufacturers, why should apple use their parts? Aren't they the ones who kept advertising about quality?
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Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.
Harddrives fail, its a sad fact. So always backup important information instead of go whine and blame someone innocent like this time.
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On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain.
They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.
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On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.
The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives.
Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.
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On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer.
Ill give you that, but that was years ago and the Deathstar term is obselete now
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On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.
Seagate
Western Digital
Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.
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been using mine for 5 years. I had previously trashed 3 harddrives in my windows laptop, I guessed it was because I moved it around too much when I was using it, and used it on trains/cars etc. where there was a background vibration. So I was more careful with this one, and it has been fine. Although i can hear some problems with the drive are on it's way. I think it's very much about good use practices.
If it's 7 months old, you can probably go to Apple and get it changed and recovered for free - Apple are very good at customer service.
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On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.
Really? I just went there and check, most of their drives received 4 or 5 egg rating and some dropped as low as 3 but no more. Indicating at least a 60% satisfaction from users and majority being 80% or more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000014&Description=hitachi&name=Internal Hard Drives
Aside from pointing at reviews from random users on the internet, please provide benchmarks or reliable data on Hitachi drives being "TERRIBLE".
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You know the USB or Firewire ports on the side of your computer? Use them.
Either you manually back up the importnant stuff you have OR Mac OS can do it for you with Time Machine - http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/time-machine.html
Or, as suggested in comments above, use Dropbox.
Also, harddrives crash whatever fucking system you have. My own built stationary PC:s processor crashed three months ago. If it can happen, it will.
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United States17042 Posts
or just don't store any important data on your computer at all. That's what I usually do.
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I dunno how apple retail works in the states but in australia you can bring it into a local mac store and they will swap / repair the drive on the spot for you.
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On August 30 2009 13:14 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 13:02 Aegraen wrote:
Wait until newegg has the new X-25M G2's in stock and buy one of those. You won't ever regret that purchase. Wow Aegrean, already unbanned and trolling again? Don't listen to him, Mac's suck, buy a $1000 cheaper Windows laptop and never look back.
Are you a fucking idiot? I think yes.
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On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that.
If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig.
I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD.
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I'm sorry I trusted a $2000 computer that is barely 7 months old with a few files! My 4 year old Dell laptop hard drive has never failed on me despite being less than half the cost. Why would I expect a high quality mac drive to fail before a budget Dell?
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On August 30 2009 23:56 FragKrag wrote:
I'm sorry I trusted a $2000 computer that is barely 7 months old with a few files! My 4 year old Dell laptop hard drive has never failed on me despite being less than half the cost. Why would I expect a high quality mac drive to fail before a budget Dell?
DRIVES WILL FAIL. ALL OF THEM.
Yes, the ones that are very expensive will also fail. It is still your fault for not backing up. You can't "trust something because it costs more." That's mind-boggling.
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Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.
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On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here.
Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.
How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.
How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.
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United States22883 Posts
On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that. If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig. I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD. SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O.
On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs.
WD, Seagate, Samsung.
Newegg ratings mean nothing.
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On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that. If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig. I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD. SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O. Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. WD, Seagate, Samsung. Newegg ratings mean nothing.
Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models. Newer models like intel's X-25M G2 will last well over 30 years. NAND-Flash technology is not as brittle as mechanical.
The only thing holding back SSD right now is the price. In 2-3 years they'll be common place and everyone will think back to the antiquated HDD time and let out a /sigh of relief just like the jump from dial-up to cable was. That's how big of a technological leap SSD are.
Trust me, someone who has 2 X-25M G2's in RAID, with bootup times from the time I hit the on button to the time everything is fully loaded is under 10 seconds. The time where you can watch textures load into games is gone. Everything is instant. It's really the best upgrade you can get for your computer.
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On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here. Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings.
Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before.
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless..
Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature.
And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer.
He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.
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On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings. Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.. Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature. And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road.
On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer. He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price.
Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592
Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.
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On August 31 2009 02:29 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings. Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.. Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature. And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road. Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer. He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price. Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.
Funny thing is - the users do not think so. Why is that? Why is it that people continue to buy Apple´s products, again and again and again. And more and more people are doing it. I´ve been using computers since late 80´s, starting with amiga 500 - went through win 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP when I bought my first Mac four years ago. And right now there is nothing that Microsoft puts out that wants me to switch back.
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On August 31 2009 02:52 MacWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 02:29 Aegraen wrote:On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings. Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.. Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature. And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer. He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price. Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper. Funny thing is - the users do not think so. Why is that? Why is it that people continue to buy Apple´s products, again and again and again. And more and more people are doing it. I´ve been using computers since late 80´s, starting with amiga 500 - went through win 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP when I bought my first Mac four years ago. And right now there is nothing that Microsoft puts out that wants me to switch back.
Since your name is "macworld" I'm not even going to attempt to argue, can't believe anyone tried honestly.
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On August 31 2009 02:15 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that. If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig. I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD. SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O. On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. WD, Seagate, Samsung. Newegg ratings mean nothing. Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models. Every time you post, whether it's in General, Broodwar of here, you post complete bullshit. MLC lifespan is terrible and old SLCs were under 100,000 cycles and the X25-M is the first one made that should beat out 5 years. 3TB daily lasting for over 12 years? Seriously, just stop posting forever.
NAND-Flash technology is not as brittle as mechanical. There is no theoretical limit to the amount of writing a mechanical hard drive can take, like there is for flash.
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On August 31 2009 03:00 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 02:15 Aegraen wrote:On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that. If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig. I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD. SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O. On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. WD, Seagate, Samsung. Newegg ratings mean nothing. Actually, SSD lifespan's are extremely long, much longer than any HDD. Even with a daily 3TB read/write SSD lasts over 12 years and thats the older models. Every time you post, whether it's in General, Broodwar of here, you post complete bullshit. MLC lifespan is terrible and old SLCs were under 100,000 cycles and the X25-M is the first one made that should beat out 5 years. 3TB daily lasting for over 12 years? Seriously, just stop posting forever. There is no theoretical limit to the amount of writing a mechanical hard drive can take, like there is for flash.
I've come to notice he knows nothing as well, and I confirmed this when he tried to argue about macs, with someone named "Macworld".
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I love how you bitch about MacBook and then use your iPhone to continue browsing the internets, you're such an Apple whore, suck on Jobs' infantile inadequate penis some more and then maybe when it runs dry of shitty products you will realize your mistake and switch to PC.
In other news, I hope this experience has taught you something: life sucks, and it sucks more when you rely on Apple. Good luck with your classes and "computer."
Hahahahaha.
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On August 31 2009 03:15 fanatacist wrote:
I love how you bitch about MacBook and then use your iPhone to continue browsing the internets, you're such an Apple whore, suck on Jobs' infantile inadequate penis some more and then maybe when it runs dry of shitty products you will realize your mistake and switch to PC.
In other news, I hope this experience has taught you something: life sucks, and it sucks more when you rely on Apple. Good luck with your classes and "computer."
Hahahahaha.
Everytime I see you post, I get a little hard.
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It'smy sisters iPhone. She lost it at one point and bought another iPhone. Since she doesn't need it anymore she let me use it because she wanted to be in touch.
F u fana
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On August 31 2009 02:29 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 02:24 MacWorld wrote:On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:On August 31 2009 01:30 MacWorld wrote:
Even nuclear plants and spaceships fail. Your only problem (as the warranty, for free, gives you a new harddrive) is that you didn´t back up your files. You are the one who failed here. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:Your first statement makes no sense. One nuclear power plant has ever failed and that was because they were running tests without the safety features. Nuclear power plants will never fail as long as the people operating it are smart enough to watch the readings. There is a different between what you described, which is an error, and a mechanical design failure. In the OP's case, without any indication or external forces that he knows about, his hard drive crashed. A nuclear power plant fails if someone does not pay attention to the warnings. Actually there have been nomerous cases where nuclear plants in one way or others have failed, eventhough it seldom leads up to disasters like Tjernobyl. Despite high security and rigorous safety measures things will fail. But in case you missed the whole point - things can fail eventhough you try to prevent them from not doing so. I bet harddrives more expensive than the ones in Apple´s computers have failed before. On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How does the giving him a new harddrive help at all? All the work I have on my computer is worth incredibly more than what the harddrive is worth. Giving me a new harddrive that may crash again is worthless.. Yeah, and that´s why you copy your files to an external harddrive or even better to a "nonphysical" harddrive over the internet. Harddrives may crash, so may rammemories, motherboards, fans, etcetera - so I guess you are better off not working with computers at all. A new harddrive would probably allow him to continue to work. But please, link to a harddrive (non-ssd) that has never crashed. If he had made a time machine backup he would have a clone of his old harddrive on his new harddrive in under 30 minutes. That´s a built in feature. And also, if I knew that I had worked my ass off for a long time and finally finalising that work - I would for sure make at least one backup. And I would probably do it more than once along the road. Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 01:50 OreoBoi wrote:How did he fail? He assume a product would work? He assumed with Mac bashing PC in all its ads that Mac was actually better? He thinks that paying by paying 3 times the amount that he would pay on a similar machine, he should get something with good quality? He said that he finished some of the stuff the day and the day before, not everyone backs up everyday. Oh, maybe you Mac people do because you are afraid of losing your work everyday because of your computer. He failed because he didn´t back up his files. Although he knew how important it was, not losing them. He would probably be equally angry if the computer was running windows or unix-based systems too. And paying "three times the amount" is just bullshit. Or you might want to show me where I can buy a portable PC with the same specifics as the MacBook pro 13" - http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB990LL/A?mco=Nzk2MDgzNA for 1/3 the price. Mac's are extremely overrated and extremely expensive. They rely on hipsters to be willing to pay that much for the "flavor of the month". You're buying the name as much as you are buying the product. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115592Blows that away and is 500$ cheaper.
this isn't true. they're not extremely overrated, nor are they extremely expensive. i don't own a mac, but given the choice i don't see a problem with buying one and am considering it for my next laptop. your link is not a good comparison at all, for many reasons .. not the least of which is you attempting to equate a 13" with a 15.6"
also PanN, since my name isn't macworld, perhaps we can have an enlightening argument about the viability of mac lappys 
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On August 31 2009 03:19 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 03:15 fanatacist wrote:
I love how you bitch about MacBook and then use your iPhone to continue browsing the internets, you're such an Apple whore, suck on Jobs' infantile inadequate penis some more and then maybe when it runs dry of shitty products you will realize your mistake and switch to PC.
In other news, I hope this experience has taught you something: life sucks, and it sucks more when you rely on Apple. Good luck with your classes and "computer."
Hahahahaha. Everytime I see you post, I get a little hard.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=100897
~FragKrag: <3
Seriously though, good luck and learn from your mistakes.
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On August 31 2009 02:04 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 21:43 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 17:47 ghermination wrote:On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:On August 30 2009 17:19 Jibba wrote:On August 30 2009 16:55 superjoppe wrote:
Hitachi DOES have as good reputation as other manufactors. And 5400rpm is kind of obvious to reduce heat and battery drain. They actually don't. Hitachi bought out the IBM storage division, responsible for the worst hard drive ever created (Deskstar/Deathstar.) HDs are definitely hit or miss though, but Hitachi isn't generally considered a top 3 manufacturer. The Deathstar series were great excellent hard drives but for one major flaw. They were very susceptible to overheating and will die more often than their counterparts. With that said, deskstars that were kept at cool temperatures work flawlessly and just as well as other manufacturer drives. Hitachi isnt top 3? Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. Seagate Western Digital Those are the top 2. Hitachi would be #3 only because there are only 3 major companies, but Hitachi drives are TERRIBLE, just a single look at the reviews on newegg will show you that. If you can afford it buy a SSD. Intel's X-25M and OCZ's Vertex are by far the best and just about any computer guru will tell you, upgrading to a SSD is the best upgrade you can do for your computer. SSD are kind of expensive right now, but you can get one for around 220 or so for a ~80Gig. I wouldn't even bother buying an antiquated HDD unless you can't afford a SSD. SSDs have a shorter lifespan than regular hard drives because they're not designed for constant I/O. Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 17:41 v[1.8]c wrote:
Please give me a list of your top 3 manufacturers for HDDs. WD, Seagate, Samsung. Newegg ratings mean nothing.
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/common_drives.html
and for the high-ends
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
So is there a particular reasoning for Samsung beating over Hitachi drives? I'm not a big fan of Hitachi but bashing their products with disregard to actual facts and numbers seems ignorant. Also why is the whole blog turned into everyone flaming Apple? The harddrive is what failed here and that's an unfortunate incident but how is Apple at fault over this? They employed a drive from a known manufacturer and it failed, so now everyone is flaming Apple? Wheres the logic in this?
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That's just using Passmark, which is as meaningless as any other synthetic testing. Storagereviews and a few other places have nice hard drive round ups for things like speed, power, noise, etc.
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On August 31 2009 05:41 Jibba wrote:
That's just using Passmark, which is as meaningless as any other synthetic testing. Storagereviews and a few other places have nice hard drive round ups for things like speed, power, noise, etc.
http://www.storagereview.com/Testbed4Compare.sr
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Theres 1 samsung drive listed in the top 10 and 1 hitachi listed in the top 3, if I go as far as top 30 that gives me 2 Hitachi drives and still 1 Samsung drive.
If you take a closer look, you will even notice that the website is outdated, with all the drives dating back as far (or as recent) as 2007. Also some of the software used for testing are also extremely outdated (SR Office Drivemark 2002?????)
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I'll concede that I didn't check my own reference well enough, but it's still completely laughable that this is your point of contention. WD and Seagate generally outclass Hitachi in all sectors, and Samsung is the best at energy efficient drives and high capacity. Between those three, I would never buy a Hitachi drive.
I love that you started this by saying "Deskstars were excellent, EXCEPT THAT THEY FAILED ALL THE TIME."
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On August 31 2009 06:13 Jibba wrote:
I'll concede that I didn't check my own reference well enough, but it's still completely laughable that this is your point of contention. WD and Seagate generally outclass Hitachi in all sectors, and Samsung is the best at energy efficient drives and high capacity. Between those three, I would never buy a Hitachi drive.
I love that you started this by saying "Deskstars were excellent, EXCEPT THAT THEY FAILED ALL THE TIME."
I stated that Deskstars only downpoint was that they were extremely susceptible to heat, and if you keep them cool then they dont fail anymore than other models from different manufacturers. What your personal bias for HDD manufacturers is none of my business and I have not stated anything regarded Hitachi vs WD and Seagate. Its very true that Seagate and WD drives generally out perform Hitachi in every front. However Samsung drives are generally not considered high quality or even stable, the only thing they really have over Hitachi drives is that they weren't in the HDD business long enough and didn't have the whole "omg deathstars" thing on them. (Seagate suffered a similar disaster with their 7200.11 series, the 500, 1TB and 1.5TB would brick left and right due to bad drivers, however they redeemed themselves with the 7200.12 series) Modern Hitachi drives are very good and even the old Deathstars when maintained properly will last very long. Those "generic" and "useless" stats however did state the Hitachi drives as being faster than Samsungs. If you really want energy efficiency then go for the Seagates since the ST3 series are more power efficient than any other model currently out there. Samsung just does'nt have anything over the top 3 brands (with 3rd being Hitachi, believe it or not they're great for lowcost storage drives due to their speed and cost/size) and generally not recommended for anything really.
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Tough break Frag. That is what happens when you get a marked up trend whore piece of technology though.
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