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CharlieMurphy
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On August 27 2009 02:33 Sharp-eYe wrote: First of all, dont rate my opinions without any content. Atleast I am explaining myself. Also, these facts that I am "pulling out my ass" are from texts and from people who teach how to use art programs (such as photoshop). Yes, these things all of biases, but then again what doesnt. And maybe what I am saying my not be all correct. However, atleast I am explaining myself instead going "0/10" or "ur just jealous cuz BLAH BLAHB BLAH." For the record I am not jealous, as I personally dont care, as I am broad minded enough to be able to use Linux/OS X/Windows at the same time. And btw you dont see everything developers do. If you are a dev that has worked on a good, popular game in the art department, please correct me if I am wrong. I personally do think OS X can be greatly improved. For starters, I still dont like how awkward it is to change file names, and windows makes is easier. Then again, using photoshop on windows is awkward and does not look good IMO. This thread will turn into a pointless war about how either mac fags (the ones that bitch about how OS X and steve jobs are gods) or windows retards (dont base their opinions on anything) are better. Macs are for one purpose: Adobe software. PCs are for multiple purposes: Adobe software + everything else. You can get a PC for under 1k that runs just as fast, if not faster, than the latest 1.5k iMac. I don't see how Photoshop looks awkward on windows, and even if it does, you can change the explorer format to look exactly like a mac - because windows can actually do stuff. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On August 27 2009 06:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: That ad makes me angry. If you keep your windows and browser updated, don't go to shady websites, and aren't retarded enough to fall for phishing attacks or run a 20kb exe file pretending to be a song that you downloaded off limewire, the likelihood of getting a virus or being attacked by a worm is so low. You don't even really need an antivirus. If more people start getting macs they will realize that hackers don't target macs because nobody uses them. This is so true. I got rid of my AV 6 months ago because it was pissing me off and I have had zero problems since then. If you are intelligent and willing to learn get a PC. If you are an idiot who cant figure things out for himself get a Mac. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 27 2009 03:11 Sharp-eYe wrote: ok here is my reason. I like using my entire hand to press the mouse. Also, i like how photoshop is on a Mac, as the tool bars are more seperate from the picture, instead of an ugly gray background behind it. I base this on my experience on using cs3 on both OS X and Windows. sorry if i wasnt clear. wait... you like it that you can unwantingly minimize everything and go to the desktop if you misclicked by one pixel in photoshop? wow!!! | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On August 27 2009 05:06 blue_arrow wrote: You know, for people who actually know how to mod their windows and desktops and whatnot, macs aren't even an option. Older ppl I find use macs cause they're much easier to understand and require way less effort to learn. For the younger ppl, most of the time they just think macs are cooler/look better and they simply must get one. To me, macs have always been some nicely set up computers with some cute software made so that users can enjoy an easy computer experience right off the bat. However, ppl willing to put some effort and time into their windows can easily make windows look 5x better and run 5x better than any mac OS. Functionality, capability and flexibility-wise, windows/pcs are wayyy better than macs. The thing is, you have to find that potential yourself. I prefer pcs/windows not because of what they are, but because of what I can accomplish with a PC as opposed to a mac. This is actually a pretty uninformed post. You're basically saying, "I can do these things in windows, I don't know how/if you can do them on a mac, therefore it's not possible". You are able to theme OSX, a simple google search would have revealed this. There are also tons of software for mac that simply don't have quality equivalents in windows, I made a post about this in the Linux, why you should try it thread when much the same discussion as we're having here was happening. Having gone through the whole modding windows thing, I find it much, much easier to extend OSX to improve my workflow exactly as I want. Shell scripts (doable on windows but nowhere near as accessible to call) and applescript. And improving my workflow is probably the most important thing for me choosing an OS to spend most of my time on. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On August 27 2009 01:19 Sharp-eYe wrote: Before I begin, I appologize for any harsh/personal comments: You know, I am glad atleast you have an opinion based on experience. Its great, because most PC users just say "Macs sux" and thats it. However, do not call people retarded because they have a preference for something. I can tell you many Windows users stuck up about their OS as well. They dont mind having gigs of anti virus software that is a must for windows, as you can not even go on Teamliquid without getting a virus, and trial software that no one uses. Yes I agree, Macs are not that great for gaming, but for the record, games are designed on a mac, and because 85% of the world is using Windows because of controversial issues in the 80's and 90's, they have to import their graphics and re code it all on Windows. That should speak for itself. That 1 click mouse is not meant for gaming. If I was blessed enough to have an iMac, I would switch it to a Razor or what not when I am playing. However, I have found using that 1 click mouse to be far easier to control for programs such as Photoshop. Just because you hate it doesnt mean someone else does to. Now, for your problems, just google for it. As long as you're not retarded and don't go looking for trouble, it's not hard to keep your computer reasonably clean. If you want to be extra careful, less than half a gig of anti-virus and other anti-mal/spyware programs will take care of everything for you. If you buy your own copy of windows for a computer you built yourself, you don't get trial software. What games are designed on macs? I use photoshop a lot, and I don't see why having only one mouse button would make using photoshop easier. Please explain. On August 27 2009 02:19 stafu wrote: OS X is an amazing operation system and I love using my MacBook Pro for a lot of things (coding/photoshopping/all that kind of stuff), but I won't use it to play games. You can just feel on the desktop it doesn't have the kind of mouse input you need to play games like StarCraft/Quake. It's annoying, but it's true. You can disable mouse accel (I've gotten rid of it via USB Overdrive or something like that), but the mouse input is still pretty horrid, so it's much better to just bootcamp XP or Windows 7 if you want to do any gaming. A lot of people say this, but I don't understand why... Why is photoshop so great on OSX as opposed to windows? I'm not knocking on you, but I'm just curious as to why people say using photoshop on a mac is so much better than a PC... On August 27 2009 02:33 Sharp-eYe wrote: First of all, dont rate my opinions without any content. Atleast I am explaining myself. Also, these facts that I am "pulling out my ass" are from texts and from people who teach how to use art programs (such as photoshop). Yes, these things all of biases, but then again what doesnt. And maybe what I am saying my not be all correct. However, atleast I am explaining myself instead going "0/10" or "ur just jealous cuz BLAH BLAHB BLAH." For the record I am not jealous, as I personally dont care, as I am broad minded enough to be able to use Linux/OS X/Windows at the same time. And btw you dont see everything developers do. If you are a dev that has worked on a good, popular game in the art department, please correct me if I am wrong. I personally do think OS X can be greatly improved. For starters, I still dont like how awkward it is to change file names, and windows makes is easier. Then again, using photoshop on windows is awkward and does not look good IMO. This thread will turn into a pointless war about how either mac fags (the ones that bitch about how OS X and steve jobs are gods) or windows retards (dont base their opinions on anything) are better. So you meant to say that the visuals in games are designed on a mac? That's fair to say, as a lot of media is done on mac, but still, not all. The way you worded your prior post implied, however, that games were coded on macs. You should take extra care to be as clear as possible when covering yourself with oil and running through a fire. Honestly, I never really had a problem with macs until Apple started up that big marketing campaign that created the whole trendy Mac/Apple i-Whatever thing. It wasn't until people got annoying about their macs that I started disliking macs. I'm not a hater of Apple...I think iPhones are fun, and I love and use iPods...but the overpriced and limited (for my purposes) Macs are, in my opinion, a dumb buy. I know there's some Mac specific software that is used a lot in the film industry, but I've never heard anyone say so strongly that Adobe programs run better on Macs before this thread. I know some and know of many more professional illustrators and graphic designers that use windows... ... ... Most of all, though, I hate how it's cool, hip, trendy and indie to own a Mac. That's me being vain, but still...it's annoying. | ||
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blue_arrow
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On August 27 2009 09:47 Bockit wrote: This is actually a pretty uninformed post. You're basically saying, "I can do these things in windows, I don't know how/if you can do them on a mac, therefore it's not possible". You are able to theme OSX, a simple google search would have revealed this. There are also tons of software for mac that simply don't have quality equivalents in windows, I made a post about this in the Linux, why you should try it thread when much the same discussion as we're having here was happening. Having gone through the whole modding windows thing, I find it much, much easier to extend OSX to improve my workflow exactly as I want. Shell scripts (doable on windows but nowhere near as accessible to call) and applescript. And improving my workflow is probably the most important thing for me choosing an OS to spend most of my time on. ehh, thats not exactly what my point was what i was trying to impress was that even though windows may first come as something that looks and works less smoothly than a mac, if you put some effort into it, you can get even better aesthetics than you would with OSX or whatever other apple OS, while still retaining all the good features of windows/pcs (better game compatibility, lower prices and whatnot). i guess i should have more directly stressed this point instead of just saying that younger ppl find macs more appealing due to macs being "cooler"/more aesthetically pleasing, or that older ppl like the lessened hassel (i'm being general here and not stereotyping). i'll admit i do personally dislike macs, but i try to keep any deeply biased statements out of my posts. you're also right in saying that i'm relatively uninformed about macs in general, and you're right in thinking that I know less than you regarding not only modding macs and linux, but windows as well (in fact i've never even touched a computer with linux before lol). i simply based this post off of my general knowledge/experience that: -macs are more expensive than their pc counterparts -macs have compatibility issues with certain software and games -windows is less aesthetically pleasing and user friendly than macs -windows is moddable so that the aesthetic quality level of a mac (and beyond) can be attained for windows when reading through my post again, i can see how i come off as ignorant because i don't consider the things you can do with a mac. however, because i personally must consider things like price and compatibility issues before aesthetics/workflow, you have to understand why I don't/cannot talk about modding macs' operating systems. i think the problem was that i should have put "especially considering the price and compatability issues of macs, it's just not worth it" after all my points instead of being so absolute and general in my statements. EDIT: on an unrelated note, you know what i'm finding? forums and non-instant communication in general are terrible methods to hold discussions with small numbers of people. | ||
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MK
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![[image loading]](http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2009/08/img_05241-480x360.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2009/08/img_0522-360x480.jpg) MacFail. | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On August 27 2009 11:45 blue_arrow wrote: ehh, thats not exactly what my point was what i was trying to impress was that even though windows may first come as something that looks and works less smoothly than a mac, if you put some effort into it, you can get even better aesthetics than you would with OSX or whatever other apple OS, while still retaining all the good features of windows/pcs (better game compatibility, lower prices and whatnot). i guess i should have more directly stressed this point instead of just saying that younger ppl find macs more appealing due to macs being "cooler"/more aesthetically pleasing, or that older ppl like the lessened hassel (i'm being general here and not stereotyping). i'll admit i do personally dislike macs, but i try to keep any deeply biased statements out of my posts. you're also right in saying that i'm relatively uninformed about macs in general, and you're right in thinking that I know less than you regarding not only modding macs and linux, but windows as well (in fact i've never even touched a computer with linux before lol). i simply based this post off of my general knowledge/experience that: -macs are more expensive than their pc counterparts -macs have compatibility issues with certain software and games -windows is less aesthetically pleasing and user friendly than macs -windows is moddable so that the aesthetic quality level of a mac (and beyond) can be attained for windows when reading through my post again, i can see how i come off as ignorant because i don't consider the things you can do with a mac. however, because i personally must consider things like price and compatibility issues before aesthetics/workflow, you have to understand why I don't/cannot talk about modding macs' operating systems. i think the problem was that i should have put "especially considering the price and compatability issues of macs, it's just not worth it" after all my points instead of being so absolute and general in my statements. EDIT: on an unrelated note, you know what i'm finding? forums and non-instant communication in general are terrible methods to hold discussions with small numbers of people. Ahh ok, it was kind of my bad to cherrypick you out, I guess straw that broke camels back in this thread  The addendum about price is a fair call. I wouldn't have bought mine if I didn't have a higher amount of cash to spend  I got lucky and it was a 21st present (still don't know how I lucked out so much haha)Regarding edit: Forums work as fine as is possible for asynchronous communication I think. I can't really come up with something better | ||
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Cube
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On August 27 2009 03:51 ghermination wrote: Mac"Fags" are people who blather on about how superior their operating system is with no factual support (as in "hurf durf no viruses" etc.), however PC"Fags" are enraged by the stupid Mac"Fags" who do this, so they come down out of their superior operating system to lay waste to the stupidity which will be clung to by the Mac"Fags" anyway. For example: I'll configure a Mac Pro off of the Apple website, and then configure a PC with the same specifications Mac Pro: 2.66ghz Xeon Quad Core 3x2GB DDR3 1066 1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive (16mb Cache) ATI Radeon 4870 512mb 18x Superdrive $2499 PC: 2.66ghz Xeon Quad Core (LGA 771) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117182 $979.99 TYAN S5376G2NR Tempest i5100W Dual LGA 771 Motherboard (This information isn't included in the Mac Pro, but i'll go with one in the right price range for this system) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151177 $199.99 3x2GB DDR2 1066 Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220378 $119.99 1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive (32mb Cache) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 $89.99 ATI Radeon 4870 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150395 $162.99 Sony Black 18x DVD/CD-ROM Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031 $18.99 XCLIO A380BK Fully Black Case (Once again, this information isn't included on the apple website, but the Mac Pro case has 1x120mm fans, while this one has 2x250mm fans) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010 $89.99 $1661.93 This is just ONE demonstration that shows the incredible mark-up on mac machines - and not only that, but the Xeon Quad-Core is a TERRIBLE product for desktop peformance, its a server core for a reason. An i7 920 would be $700 cheaper and perform much, much better for the average user! That means you could SURPASS the performance of that shitty, overpriced mac for only around $900. i just did a bit of reading on this and you can cut the cost of that mac pretty drastically by buying a basic system and upgrading the components yourself. apple uses some very strange markups for anything beyond the base system, but you can fix that with minimal effort | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
also, why is it that only pc users seem to have such contempt and hatred for macs? seems like everyone i know who owns a mac enjoys the experience and doesn't regret paying however much of a markup they paid (on that topic: apple's pricing is designed in such a way that the best possible value for your purchase will be for the early adopters, as they are historically slow at upgrading specs/dropping prices, when i bought my macbook it was the same price as a similarly configured windows-based laptop, but that was nearly 2 years ago and it is now pretty badly overpriced). why are people demonized and called various slurs for valuing things other than purely the price per part of their system? the truly zealous apple users might be annoying, but they are nowhere near as immature as the other side of the coin. | ||
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VarmVaffel
Norway378 Posts
Or maybe not, I'm no friggin economic. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Here's what I personally would use a Mac for: - DAWs/Music software (Logic Pro) - Image editing software (Photoshop) At which Macs are better than Windows. Here's what I use Windows for: - DAWs/Music software (Cubase) - Image editing software (Photoshop) - Office - Games (Starcraft, Diablo 2, Sacrifice, Starsiege: Tribes, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Quake III Arena, Dr. Drago's Madcap Chase, Age of Mythology, Call of Duty 4, Portal, Soldat, World of Warcraft, Counter-Strike, Oblivion, Morrowind, Mount&Blade, NetHack, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, IL-2 Sturmovik, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Gabriel Knight, my currently small "DOS Games" folders [287 items]) - Everything Else So, Mac fanboys can keep their Macs. Hell, they can keep their "we're better than you" arguments. Macs are excellent computers for people who desire some specific Mac-exclusive or Mac-based software. That's it. Don't try to pawn it off as better than (operating system here) for any other reason, and certainly not because it's so much simpler and safer; that's not a selling point in my book. If I was in charge, people ordinarily too stupid to own a computer wouldn't have their own fucking operating system, and all you simians who would execute "LOOK AT THIS COOL SCREEN SAVER THAT ISN'T INFECTED BY A VIRUS.EXE", wonder why all your important documents disappeared, and complain that Windows is obviously really bad and unsafe, wouldn't be infecting my perfect world of logical thinkers. At least then I wouldn't have to endure shit like "I forgot my kids at the bus station again, but thank GOD I can boot up my Mac just fine." Most importantly, here's what I would do on my Mac: - Dual-boot Windows. | ||
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gLyo
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On September 02 2009 03:06 gLyo wrote: I don't get why people bash Macs for looking awesome. For a non-gamer, the only serious drawback to a Mac is the price, but some people really are willing to pay for aesthetics. It's not crazy to us -- we like our stuff to look good. PCs, more often than not, end up looking like cheap plastic toys compared to Macs. what ever could you mean? | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
On August 27 2009 00:00 da_head wrote: macs are overpriced, made for retards, and are fashion accessories. sucks to be you This, this, this. | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On September 02 2009 03:06 gLyo wrote: I don't get why people bash Macs for looking awesome. For a non-gamer, the only serious drawback to a Mac is the price, but some people really are willing to pay for aesthetics. It's not crazy to us -- we like our stuff to look good. PCs, more often than not, end up looking like cheap plastic toys compared to Macs. Have you ever looked at any PCs from Falcon or Alienware? Those machines look great. You are also asking Starcraft players to agree that asthetics are really important. If we really cared about asthetics, we would play other newer games. I don't find asthetics that important, it's a bonus but other stuff is more important. I think the problem is most people use PCs and then it's really hard to change to mac. It's not as hard going the other way around, but I can't use a mac because I'm too used to PC | ||
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