On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Damn, totally deserved for Argentina if we look at the whole game, congratz. Still I wish we would have started playing before the 75th minute, maybe without this virus, maybe without so many injuries... So close, oh well, it was a good run. Still, if I could pick a winner which was not France, I would pick any other team (minus Qatar), Argentinians were vicious.
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
I think you take football a bit too seriously!
On the contrary actually... I just like to discuss it. And history was made today. Just not by Mbappe hehe
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
No way mate. Zidane was good but also incredibly inconsistent. He's nowhere near Messi. Messi has been scoring 30+ goal seasons for more than a decade. That kind of consistency is unprecedented. I would not even put Zidane as the best midfielder let alone best player. That he is a good coach is not relevant we're taking about careers as player not coach.
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
Ballon’s d’or is not often for midfielder so I don’t really see how that’s relevant? And afaik he won one in 1998
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
Ballon’s d’or is not often for midfielder so I don’t really see how that’s relevant? And afaik he won one in 1998
Even at his position you can claim Maradona or Cruyff are goatier. Is he the goat for elegance and ball retention with alien-like control ? For sure. Is he the 90s- early 2000s goat ? yes. Is he the overall goat ? top 5 IMHO but Messi now clearly number 1.
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
Ballon’s d’or is not often for midfielder so I don’t really see how that’s relevant? And afaik he won one in 1998
Even at his position you can claim Maradona or Cruyff are goatier. Is he the goat for elegance and ball retention with alien-like control ? For sure. Is he the 90s- early 2000s goat ? yes. Is he the overall goat ? top 5 IMHO but Messi now clearly number 1.
Idk, goat discussions are a bit pointless anyways but Zidane was the real magician. As for another magician, Ronaldinho 2002 was on another level, too bad modern day football is not as flashy as the old days
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
Ballon’s d’or is not often for midfielder so I don’t really see how that’s relevant? And afaik he won one in 1998
Even at his position you can claim Maradona or Cruyff are goatier. Is he the goat for elegance and ball retention with alien-like control ? For sure. Is he the 90s- early 2000s goat ? yes. Is he the overall goat ? top 5 IMHO but Messi now clearly number 1.
Idk, goat discussions are a bit pointless anyways but Zidane was the real magician. As for another magician, Ronaldinho 2002 was on another level, too bad modern day football is not as flashy as the old days
Agreed, it's all about efficiency now.
Congrats to Argentina ! Boy did this game deliver after a while. I will pay good money for a tell-all book in 10 years about all the hidden drama that must have happened at the French training camp - injuries, Benzema's near return, the 'virus' etc.
On December 19 2022 03:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So... why is Macron on the stage with FIFA officials again?
because he is one obviously. he personally gave qatar the world cup
When did that happen? Qatar got the WC in 2010, at that point, Macron was an investment banker with only some fairly minor political positions. You're probably thinking about Sarkozy, who was in power between 2007 and 2012.
On December 19 2022 03:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So... why is Macron on the stage with FIFA officials again?
because he is one obviously. he personally gave qatar the world cup
When did that happen? Qatar got the WC in 2010, at that point, Macron was an investment banker with only some fairly minor political positions. You're probably thinking about Sarkozy, who was in power between 2007 and 2012.
Yes, it’s been described (there is even a Netflix documentary about it) pretty thoroughly that Sarkozy was the French president to help Qatar get the World Cup. I am pretty neutral about Macron, and while he is the youngest French president, I highly doubt he had that much power in 2010 .
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote: can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
Wasn’t Pelé fighting farmers while Maradona cheated with a handball to win the WC?
Pele's record against european teams while playing for Santos was: 20 defeats, 20 draws and 90 wins. He scored 144 goals in those games.
At 30, he had 3 world cups. And when he was Mbappe's age, already had two. What he represented for the brazilian people is bigger than what Mbappe represents for the french.
It's hard to compare different eras. Pele played in an era where football wasn't even near of the level of play of nowadays. But he didn't have the training players today have either.
What we can do is compare the impact each player had in theirrespective time. And Pele was on a whole other level between 58-70 than Mbappe was in 18-22. Of course future time will tell, but I think Mbappe has a really long way to go before being in the same category of the all times great. Zidane, for exemple, is still a class above in my opinion.
Besides, even if Mbappe wins next year's champions league, that just means Messi will have another one in his carreer too.
And isn't the french league pretty much Europe's "farmers league"? I wonder how long he will stay at PSG, but for sure I would like to see him a more competitive league in the future. I still can't believe Neymar went to PSG while at his peak...
Zidane is hugely overrated but that aside agree with much of what you’re saying here
You can’t be claiming that Zidane is overrated and praise Messi that much lol. Zidane was doing magical things while Messi was still a child, he is the one true goat. His WC 2006 run was the most incredible run I have seen from a player in my lifetime, and he was pretty good in club football as well. He was the national hero in 1998 World Cup, and even became an amazing coach for Real Madrid. Unless Messi becomes a great coach too, the football World will remember Zidane as the goat in a few decades imho. Mbappe has a lot of potential but I doubt he can reach Zidane level either.
Prefacing with 'I adore Zidane', but hasn't he won a single Ballon d'Or (maybe underrated, could've been two or three easily) to Messi's 7 ?
Once again I adore Zinedine, it's more that his trajectory has been steadily upwards - he did greatly benefit from his physical training at Juventus as seen in WC 2006 - whereas Messi always was the chosen one
Ballon’s d’or is not often for midfielder so I don’t really see how that’s relevant? And afaik he won one in 1998
Even at his position you can claim Maradona or Cruyff are goatier. Is he the goat for elegance and ball retention with alien-like control ? For sure. Is he the 90s- early 2000s goat ? yes. Is he the overall goat ? top 5 IMHO but Messi now clearly number 1.
Idk, goat discussions are a bit pointless anyways but Zidane was the real magician. As for another magician, Ronaldinho 2002 was on another level, too bad modern day football is not as flashy as the old days
Wasn't fat Ronaldo the bigger star of those Brazil teams though? Churrasco table is his biggest rival
On December 19 2022 07:48 RowdierBob wrote: So every team that has beaten Australia in the ro16 of a World Cup has gone on to win the tournament. Beating Oz is a good omen :D
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