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France12886 Posts
On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone. Brazil's got a great team, Portugal does as well (ironically without Ronaldo), Germany has a great young lineup if they can get their shit together, England's still got a fantastic and young team, Spain looks great everywhere except for actually scoring... Lots of viable contenders for the international trophies in the coming years.
Mbappe has already won a WC anyways, he is the real GOAT in the making 
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Argentina in that first half were absolutely electric. I think they deserve the win for that.
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Insane finals and deserved win for Argentina in the end. Don't think we'll see another final like this again soon. With both star players delivering. Mbappe with three goals in a world cup finals is ridiculous and Messi with two and important in most of Argentina's offensive plays is crazy as well.
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Waiting for the awards now.
Portuguese tv bias is amazing 😂 (someone must have told the guy something because after the commercial break seemed like a different person speaking lol)
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On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone.
Didnt he already won it 4 years ago? Like I dont think France would have won back then without his contribution. As for moving foward, the team got some good young pieces, they just need to get rid of the current veterans who play like they dont want to be there. You clearly see the Argentina team really play their heart out for Messi last tournament, France just about Mbappe dragging some old guys along to this Final.
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Northern Ireland25367 Posts
On December 19 2022 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:06 WombaT wrote:
LIONELLLLL
Much as my bias for this final was solely on ‘Messi getting his WC’ I do think Argentina were by far the better side all told, well deserved.
I don’t even think one needs to tick the World Cup box anyway, it’s silly. Play for a less talented nation, or you have a few bad teams and you’re out of luck. But hey it’s ticked
In a way it was required for Messi. Argentina are a competitive side at the top level and it was always about whether Messi could drag them over the line or not and he's proved that he can.
Maradona was a truly terrible coach and the 2018 side wasn’t all that hot at all.
I mean prior to this World Cup that’s 2/4 shots blown, and while I still think the 2006 is the best Argentina I’ve seen (despite this WC) Messi was only coming into that side as a young talent so it wouldn’t have really been ‘his’ World Cup
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"It's our destiny to suffer."
Martinez. What a slogan lol
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On December 19 2022 03:16 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone. Didnt he already won it 4 years ago? Like I dont think France would have won back then without his contribution. As for moving foward, the team got some good young pieces, they just need to get rid of the current veterans who play like they dont want to be there. You clearly see the Argentina team really play their heart out for Messi last tournament, France just about Mbappe dragging some old guys along to this Final.
Doesn't France have a lot of great young players in their squad? Mbapee wasn't the only reason they got in the finals (England match for exemple).
Next world cup will be great. Lots of teams with a lot of potential.
And let's see if Mbappe will keep up with this level of performance. This is what separates Messi and Ronaldo from the rest. We will know 10 years from now.
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Northern Ireland25367 Posts
On December 19 2022 03:15 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone. Brazil's got a great team, Portugal does as well (ironically without Ronaldo), Germany has a great young lineup if they can get their shit together, England's still got a fantastic and young team, Spain looks great everywhere except for actually scoring... Lots of viable contenders for the international trophies in the coming years. Mbappe has already won a WC anyways, he is the real GOAT in the making
He won’t, but I think he’s a lock for top 5-10
Messi basically took the peak Maradona that got Napoli to a few titles over a few years, or Ronaldinho for a few years and kept that level up for 15 years. And took it up a level in terms of numbers.
Mbappe is an incredible talent but I don’t think he’s ever going to hit a level where he’s a team’s best goal scorer, ball carrier and playmaker all at once.
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On December 19 2022 03:11 Rookie6 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 02:59 andrewlt wrote:
Messi vs Mbappe didn't disappoint. Only Saudi Arabia could beat Argentina this run lol In the last 43 matches, Argentina only lost to Saudi Arabia lol Probably the greatest finals ever!
Just had to ruin one of the best unbeaten runs with that one of all things
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is it just me or is the fifa president getting booed lol
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The FIFA heads look like a Mafia family. Is this the WC or a scene from Goodfellas?
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why is macron on the podium? good way to show how france and qatar are linked
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Northern Ireland25367 Posts
On December 19 2022 03:22 Rookie6 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:16 tigera6 wrote:On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone. Didnt he already won it 4 years ago? Like I dont think France would have won back then without his contribution. As for moving foward, the team got some good young pieces, they just need to get rid of the current veterans who play like they dont want to be there. You clearly see the Argentina team really play their heart out for Messi last tournament, France just about Mbappe dragging some old guys along to this Final. Doesn't France have a lot of great young players in their squad? Mbapee wasn't the only reason they got in the finals (England match for exemple). Next world cup will be great. Lots of teams with a lot of potential. And let's see if Mbappe will keep up with this level of performance. This is what separates Messi and Ronaldo from the rest. We will know 10 years from now.
Tchouameni and Camavinga as a future midfield is terrifying. Dembele seems to be finding his way again.
Plus embarrassments of riches elsewhere
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can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
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On December 19 2022 03:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:
why is macron on the podium? good way to show how france and qatar are linked
Was wondering about that myself.
There is nobody from france football federation maybe?
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Commentators are stating that Messi has won everything, that is not true. He hasn't won the MLS Cup, and since he has a residence in Miami that is a big miss... just a note.
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On December 19 2022 03:23 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2022 03:15 Poopi wrote:On December 19 2022 03:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 19 2022 03:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I fully believe Mbappe wins France the 2026 World Cup Eh, that's a big question. There still needs to be a team around him (see how long it took Messi to win, and Ronaldo hasn't won it). There are definite question marks around parts of France's team, especially when you tack on 4 years of aging to everyone. Brazil's got a great team, Portugal does as well (ironically without Ronaldo), Germany has a great young lineup if they can get their shit together, England's still got a fantastic and young team, Spain looks great everywhere except for actually scoring... Lots of viable contenders for the international trophies in the coming years. Mbappe has already won a WC anyways, he is the real GOAT in the making He won’t, but I think he’s a lock for top 5-10 Messi basically took the peak Maradona that got Napoli to a few titles over a few years, or Ronaldinho for a few years and kept that level up for 15 years. And took it up a level in terms of numbers. Mbappe is an incredible talent but I don’t think he’s ever going to hit a level where he’s a team’s best goal scorer, ball carrier and playmaker all at once.
Minus some catastrophic injury, he will easily shatter the record for most goal scored in WC. If he can win one more WC title, and a couple of Champion League then he would have very strong case. He doesnt need to be another Messi to surpassed him.
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France12886 Posts
On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote:
can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
I think he needs another World Cup / Euro plus 2 or 3 champions league and he could be up here. We will see, but his potential is insane!
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On December 19 2022 03:32 zev318 wrote:
can mbappe be considered goat if he stays in france his whole career? does club level matter or just national team success
That is irrelevant or at least should be.
But then again i dont see mbappe as goat potential. Amazing player, chance to be a legendary player up there with the greats if he keeps pace in champions league and big tournaments but being in contention with Pele, Maradona or Messi you need to do more.
Before the french fans rain down on me, notice i've also not included cronaldo there, same reasoning.
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