On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I think the refereeing is the last thing France should blame this loss on. It was way above average in quality when compared to the rest of this tournament with a clear line throughout the game.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
On December 19 2022 10:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Looking back at some of the past post game interviews... it really seems like Netherlands and Argentina are now mortal enemies lol
Watch the end of the Messi interview, even the reporter got scared. Can only wonder who he was talking to.
What, if any, will the next friendly look like. Mortal Kombat?
I dont think any argentinian considers the dutch a rival. Its was heat of the moment and it went both ways.
Our rivalries are obviously Brazil, England (though we havent played much lately) and maybe Uruguay/Germany.
People like to create narratives, like Arg vs Mexico or Chile, but they serve to spice up a toruney and in the big scheme they dont exist at all.
It is a rivalry in the sense that we meet a lot and they're always close games. But not at all like Argentina - Brazil or Netherlands - Germany. Like you said I don't think this game changes anything in that regard.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
i agree that messi now having a wc trophy should not weigh into the debate about messi vs ronaldo. i dont agree on the reason for why it shouldnt weigh in. it shouldnt be weighed in because portugal isnt as good as argentina, period. they never were in their history of playing football and arent as good now either. prime ronaldo wouldnt change that. but argentina being "gifted" the trophy is a joke. they are deserved winners of this tournament.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
There was a handball by a french player moments before Montiels hand (in the corner clearing) . You dont see people saying the game was rigged in their favour.
Refeering is never 100% on point, but the finals referee was much better than the ones in previous rounds.
I don't see much French whine in this forum, or even in French media, and I wouldn't pay any attention to any of it if I saw it. We had two pens for chrissake !
We had a 4-3 match ball at the end of Kolo Muani's foot, miraculous when you consider the first 80 mins. Emiliano Martinez really showed up and made a godlike save when it mattered most. Wins the duel. Noone should complain about having such a great and competent opponent. I think most people are smart enough to take narratives with a grain of salt now, given few inches up or down on that shot wouldn't affect how intrinsically great Deschamps, Scaloni, Messi, Mbappe and all the others are. That's football. These two nations are so close it should always have been a coin flip, and I'm glad France made a match out of it instead of going down 0-4 the way things looked at halftime.
Once again congrats Argentina. A deserving winner.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
There was a handball by a french player moments before Montiels hand (in the corner clearing) . You dont see people saying the game was rigged in their favour.
Refeering is never 100% on point, but the finals referee was much better than the ones in previous rounds.
There wasn't a handball. That was a header. It only looked like a handball because of the perspective.
Overall, it's good for football that the match turned out so close and went to penalties. Fuels more interest from fans across the world. But honestly, as a football purist, the game should've ended with Argentina winning the game at regular time or at least extra time. France's equalisers had a whiff of luck when Argentina switched off just momentarily (just like the game against the Netherlands). Almost felt like WC 2014 finals with Germany snatching the win because Argentina fluffed the better of chances between the teams.
I don't see how France fans can feel hard done by the refereeing and overall performance. The game was almost like the reverse of France v England - France dominated at first but gradually let England back into the game and England could've won a penalty. It's understandable that English fans felt robbed but I still felt France deserved the win. Same logic applies to the finals. Argentina played the better football overall and deserved the win despite France hitting back strongly and some questionable refereeing decisions.
And over the span of the entire tournament, no other team played football at such pulsating pace and pressure as Argentina. The team was brave and didn't hold back. They were intent to play football and not rely on the opponent's mistakes and luck. And perhaps that's why their energy levels tend to wane towards the last 20 minutes and allowed errors to creep in and last minute equalisers. Only team that came close to having the same passion was Brazil (their elimination is really bizarre and the biggest upset, in my view). France is a close third. Fourth and fifth places are Portugal and England. Despite their deep runs, the likes of Croatia, Morocco and Netherlands played too conservatively and reactively - 6th-8th spots are more fitting. This 'power rank' is mostly based on my subjective assessment biased towards the 'passion' factor.
Agree with RKC. Also, live by penalties, die by penalties. We got lucky Southgate didn't think much about sending Kane shoot twice against his teammate Lloris who knows him inside and out. (Maybe politics played a role after how much racial abuse inexperienced non-white England players got after Euro finals). If Kane doesn't miss it's not clear France even gets to the finals at all.
My top 4, no order, equally matched on paper : Brazil - Argentina - France - England.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
i agree that messi now having a wc trophy should not weigh into the debate about messi vs ronaldo. i dont agree on the reason for why it shouldnt weigh in. it shouldnt be weighed in because portugal isnt as good as argentina, period. they never were in their history of playing football and arent as good now either. prime ronaldo wouldnt change that. but argentina being "gifted" the trophy is a joke. they are deserved winners of this tournament.
That they deserve to win the tournament is not the point though. Messi is a bad example for kids around the world because he has poor body language towards his teammates (because he expects them to be as good as him and they aren’t) whereas Ronaldo displays great body language regardless of the situation. Ronaldo should be set up as a realistic example of what you can achieve, not Messi. It is imho very dangerous for the young folks to try and be like Messi given his alien level of pure talent, so they should aim to work insanely hard like Ronaldo and be good teammates / captain with good body language instead. That’s a matter of personal opinion though.
On December 20 2022 00:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Why do I get the feeling he is making it worse. Also why was he there on stage, and then in the locker room?!
It is Macron, he is addicted to communication and he is quite good at it overall. Even if his intentions are obvious, it is still working in his favor in some way so he doesn’t care about making a fool of himself Source: I am French living in France and love political biopics, I have watched a lot of footage / read a lot about him (and other French politicians for that matter)
On December 20 2022 00:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Why do I get the feeling he is making it worse. Also why was he there on stage, and then in the locker room?!
It is Macron, he is addicted to communication and he is quite good at it overall. Even if his intentions are obvious, it is still working in his favor in some way so he doesn’t care about making a fool of himself Source: I am French living in France and love political biopics, I have watched a lot of footage / read a lot about him (and other French politicians for that matter)
Agreed. One of Macron's issues is he'll always be seen as an investment banker - even though he wasn't that senior at Rothschild - and he's desperately trying to connect with the people in a country where gilets jaunes will go on national strike for a small thing. Clearly players were annoyed or embarrassed, but his self-awareness is not great and like Poopi said it's populism, trying to get ahead of a winter of discontent in France due to economic conditions.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
i agree that messi now having a wc trophy should not weigh into the debate about messi vs ronaldo. i dont agree on the reason for why it shouldnt weigh in. it shouldnt be weighed in because portugal isnt as good as argentina, period. they never were in their history of playing football and arent as good now either. prime ronaldo wouldnt change that. but argentina being "gifted" the trophy is a joke. they are deserved winners of this tournament.
That they deserve to win the tournament is not the point though. Messi is a bad example for kids around the world because he has poor body language towards his teammates (because he expects them to be as good as him and they aren’t) whereas Ronaldo displays great body language regardless of the situation. Ronaldo should be set up as a realistic example of what you can achieve, not Messi. It is imho very dangerous for the young folks to try and be like Messi given his alien level of pure talent, so they should aim to work insanely hard like Ronaldo and be good teammates / captain with good body language instead. That’s a matter of personal opinion though.
Sorry, this almost comes across as trolling.
Fact 1: Messi has been spoken positively by all his teammates and coach throughout the tournament. Fact 2: Ronaldo was dropped from the starting eleven due to his coach being displeased by his behaviour and body language after being subbed off in the game against South Korea.
On December 19 2022 23:31 MyLovelyLurker wrote: I don't see much French whine in this forum, or even in French media, and I wouldn't pay any attention to any of it if I saw it. We had two pens for chrissake !
We had a 4-3 match ball at the end of Kolo Muani's foot, miraculous when you consider the first 80 mins. Emiliano Martinez really showed up and made a godlike save when it mattered most. Wins the duel. Noone should complain about having such a great and competent opponent. I think most people are smart enough to take narratives with a grain of salt now, given few inches up or down on that shot wouldn't affect how intrinsically great Deschamps, Scaloni, Messi, Mbappe and all the others are. That's football. These two nations are so close it should always have been a coin flip, and I'm glad France made a match out of it instead of going down 0-4 the way things looked at halftime.
Once again congrats Argentina. A deserving winner.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
i agree that messi now having a wc trophy should not weigh into the debate about messi vs ronaldo. i dont agree on the reason for why it shouldnt weigh in. it shouldnt be weighed in because portugal isnt as good as argentina, period. they never were in their history of playing football and arent as good now either. prime ronaldo wouldnt change that. but argentina being "gifted" the trophy is a joke. they are deserved winners of this tournament.
That they deserve to win the tournament is not the point though. Messi is a bad example for kids around the world because he has poor body language towards his teammates (because he expects them to be as good as him and they aren’t) whereas Ronaldo displays great body language regardless of the situation. Ronaldo should be set up as a realistic example of what you can achieve, not Messi. It is imho very dangerous for the young folks to try and be like Messi given his alien level of pure talent, so they should aim to work insanely hard like Ronaldo and be good teammates / captain with good body language instead. That’s a matter of personal opinion though.
Sorry, this almost comes across as trolling.
Fact 1: Messi has been spoken positively by all his teammates and coach throughout the tournament. Fact 2: Ronaldo was dropped from the starting eleven due to his coach being displeased by his behaviour and body language after being subbed off in the game against South Korea.
Yeah, hard to tell. Either trolling or incredibly butthurt. I do not know in what reality that is even close to be true but it is not this one.
On December 19 2022 09:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The reason why France lost is because of this one quote by Mbappe. The ego of it all. Destiny could not be averted.
He is a young fellow so he says a lot of shit. But the cold truth is that Argentina was highly favored by the referees throughout the tournament. In this finals alone, they were doing ridiculous physical fouls and getting away with it, numbing the French players. Indeed, when French players tried to retaliate they were not treated as well: see Di Maria diving and getting a penalty for Messi, while Thuram does the same and gets a yellow.
I don’t get why people on here disrespect Ronaldo for not winning a World Cup, at least he didn’t get one awarded for free .
Nice bait.....
Reading the rest of the comments this is maybe genuine? Really? France forgot to play for 80 mins and you are complaining about refs? Interesting to say the least.
I get people blaming external factors like injuries and the misterious virus and all that, but going to "FIXED!!!" complains is just too much to take seriously.
I am not complaining about France losing lol, I was just using the vs France game as an example because I saw the whole match whereas I didn’t watch all the other dubious Argentina matches. But Argentina has been granted the WC for virtually free so people should use this 1 WC to 0 argument in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate with a grain of salt.
i agree that messi now having a wc trophy should not weigh into the debate about messi vs ronaldo. i dont agree on the reason for why it shouldnt weigh in. it shouldnt be weighed in because portugal isnt as good as argentina, period. they never were in their history of playing football and arent as good now either. prime ronaldo wouldnt change that. but argentina being "gifted" the trophy is a joke. they are deserved winners of this tournament.
That they deserve to win the tournament is not the point though. Messi is a bad example for kids around the world because he has poor body language towards his teammates (because he expects them to be as good as him and they aren’t) whereas Ronaldo displays great body language regardless of the situation. Ronaldo should be set up as a realistic example of what you can achieve, not Messi. It is imho very dangerous for the young folks to try and be like Messi given his alien level of pure talent, so they should aim to work insanely hard like Ronaldo and be good teammates / captain with good body language instead. That’s a matter of personal opinion though.
Sorry, this almost comes across as trolling.
Fact 1: Messi has been spoken positively by all his teammates and coach throughout the tournament. Fact 2: Ronaldo was dropped from the starting eleven due to his coach being displeased by his behaviour and body language after being subbed off in the game against South Korea.
I am not talking about this particular tournament but their whole career. And of course his teammates will speak positively about Messi, they are playing for him, same as Maradona back in the days. Does not mean their behavior on the field yesterday was a good example: pushing players physically but then crying when the other players do the same. It was pathetic display but that is to be expected in football or any sport (basket in the NBA for example) where it’s more about the money / revenue and not the competitive integrity. FIFA are not Pierre de Coubertin and it shows
Both Ronaldo and Messi make good role models. Unfortunately, Ronaldo's behaviour in the last few months have been rather poor. This is unfortunate because I honestly believe Ronaldo in the right headspace could've won the game against Morocco had he started. We don't know what exactly went behind the scenes. But it's quite obvious that the whole team dynamics was affected by his recent behaviour. Which is a shame because Portugal with peak Ronaldo could also have beaten France in the semies and set up a battle of the GOATs in the finals against Argentina.
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