On August 27 2020 22:47 Nebuchad wrote:
My understanding is that he discovered one of the places where liberals were fucking over conservatives, and that caused him to sympathize with conservatives more in general instead of making him realize that this is political theater. I think he was always a liberal, not really a leftist (and he still is that, to be clear).

Interesting, I must have missed the occurrence, to me it was banned, gone for a bit, noted shift in general post length/tone, lol.

Makes sense to me though.

Also, I miss Plansix.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

August 31 2020 13:12 GMT

#6084

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farvacola

United States18838 Posts

August 31 2020 13:20 GMT

#6085

At a minimum BerserkSword’s invective deserves similar treatment

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts

August 31 2020 13:27 GMT

#6086

The moderator that carried out the ban action has been contacted. I will update after he responds.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

August 31 2020 14:29 GMT

#6087

I don't think it's particularly bad but it doesn't really contribute anything to the convo at all (if the ban was for 'low-effort post' then it makes sense).

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts

August 31 2020 15:01 GMT

#6088

mahrgell has been unbanned.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

August 31 2020 15:43 GMT

#6089

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Danglars

United States12133 Posts

August 31 2020 16:31 GMT

#6090

I should think it would be for low content post. What does complaining about "Team Deplorable" contribute to the conversation?

You want to put him well within his rights the next time somebody says something absurd, like cops often kill blacks, saying "Looks like Team SJW is out in force today!"

I don't think that standard is any good standard at all. And granted, if mahgrell had composed some ranty style response, that would be totally acceptable.

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

August 31 2020 16:46 GMT

#6091

I as well sort of question the unban, unless it's from the perspective of "we want to generally provide more lenience all around in posting." It's kind of low effort and mean-spirited all the same.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

August 31 2020 17:25 GMT

#6092

It depends on the user in question, but it's probably something deserves a warning rather than a ban for their first offense, so I can see why they got unbanned (as they aren't a frequent poster in the thread).

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

September 03 2020 01:28 GMT

#6093

On September 03 2020 10:13 Danglars wrote:

See also: Partial thread of the usual far-left suspects mug shots
+ Show Spoiler +

twitter link removed

Is it allowed to post a link to something like that on TL? (it's a link to a series of mugshots with names and what they're accused of, before they've been put on trial). I'm not entirely sure on how Dutch law handles it. (I believe this sort of thing is illegal in a lot of EU countries when it comes to EU citizens, not sure how it would be handled for US ones on an EU site).

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

September 03 2020 01:45 GMT

#6094

They’re considered a matter of public record in the United States. It’s valuable for certain narratives about the relative threat of far left and far right violence to see the actual people being charged with major crimes. Some would have you believe that Antifa and black bloc actions are a figment of right-wing imagination. So until such a time as not even the shooters name is released to the public, I think it’s appropriate.

tofucake

Hyrule19151 Posts

September 03 2020 01:46 GMT

#6095

First off, "matter of public record" is dependent on the state.

Second, TL runs under EU/Netherlands jurisdiction so the point is moot.

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

September 03 2020 01:51 GMT

#6096

Given that the mug shots were released to the public, it should follow that the applicable laws provide for the public record.

The “allowed to post,” I hope you recognize, invokes both TL rules of enforcement as well as possible legal troubles in EU. I hope you can recognize it’s not just a legal question. It may be valuable for a US Politics thread, or not, and still not under EU law proscription.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

September 03 2020 02:31 GMT

#6097

On September 03 2020 10:45 Danglars wrote:
They’re considered a matter of public record in the United States. It’s valuable for certain narratives about the relative threat of far left and far right violence to see the actual people being charged with major crimes. Some would have you believe that Antifa and black bloc actions are a figment of right-wing imagination. So until such a time as not even the shooters name is released to the public, I think it’s appropriate.

I wasn't saying the information wasn't useful (ie, it's fine to post in the thread from a Pol rules perspective), I just legitimately am not sure how TL handles that sort of thing. (Twitter is a US based org and isn't subject to the same regulations).

I will note that it is the case that shooters names aren't released in many, many countries.

Acrofales

Spain18109 Posts

September 03 2020 07:09 GMT

#6098

On September 03 2020 11:31 Nevuk wrote:

Show nested quote +

Pretty sure those rules apply to law enforcement agencies and not the press. The press, at best, has an ethical code that even if they know they name, they don't use it. For instance, Thomas Breivik wasn't referred to as Thomas B. in Dutch news, because the local authorities didn't refer to him as Thomas B. but instead made his full name public. Meanwhile media calling the shooter of Pim Fortuyn by his full name were heavily criticized and there was some discussion about whether his last name should still be blanked out despite everybody knowing it. Some newspapers stubbornly continued to refer to him as Volkert vd. G, despite everybody knowing that G stood for Graaf. Similarly, Joran van der Sloot's last name was mentioned in international press long before Dutch press started using it.

So I don't think there are any legal issues with TL posting private info that was made public legally elsewhere. And whether TL should adhere to Dutch ethical guide for journalism in the US politics thread is maybe an interesting question for the mods, I guess?

Mohdoo

United States15723 Posts

September 03 2020 15:16 GMT

#6099

On September 03 2020 10:51 Danglars wrote:
Given that the mug shots were released to the public, it should follow that the applicable laws provide for the public record.

The “allowed to post,” I hope you recognize, invokes both TL rules of enforcement as well as possible legal troubles in EU. I hope you can recognize it’s not just a legal question. It may be valuable for a US Politics thread, or not, and still not under EU law proscription.

Do you mean to imply that posting a bunch of mug shots is valuable for conversation?

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

September 03 2020 15:43 GMT

#6100

On September 04 2020 00:16 Mohdoo wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do you mean to imply that posting a bunch of mug shots is valuable for conversation?

Particularly for the charge that there’s no such thing as Antifa and black bloc riots, or these are right wing false flag types, or they’re just peaceful protesters that got caught up in the chaos.

And they’re not just mug shots, the thread includes many of weapons, and particulars of the charges.

Since you never responded to my post, other than to dismiss it based on the last spoilered comment, put in some effort if you want me to do the same.