On July 04 2020 20:46 brian wrote:
never mind i don’t have the energy to finish this conversation.
never mind i don’t have the energy to finish this conversation.
As I was saying... 😭
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Jealous
9974 Posts
July 04 2020 15:46 GMT
#6061
On July 04 2020 20:46 brian wrote: never mind i don’t have the energy to finish this conversation. As I was saying... 😭 | ||
brian
United States9531 Posts
July 04 2020 20:38 GMT
#6062
in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
July 04 2020 20:41 GMT
#6063
On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. +1 😉 | ||
Jealous
9974 Posts
July 04 2020 21:12 GMT
#6064
On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. Can you elaborate a bit? I know that is very broad, but I guess I'm interested in the thoughts leading up to such a post (what made you think to post this) as well as the thoughts that would come after (how it would actually impact the thread[s] in question). | ||
ZerOCoolSC2
8704 Posts
July 04 2020 22:28 GMT
#6065
On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. I wouldn't be against it if it was a feature we could use instead of an actual post in the thread. Then you'll get 12 posts of +1 and no discussion unless someone decided to add more information. So if you +1 a post, at least add a bit more to keep the conversation going a bit. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
July 05 2020 08:36 GMT
#6066
I think as long as arguments don't become personal, and that we don't accuse (or insinuate) that the other party is a horrible person / a racist / insensitive to such or such group's suffering / etc, then everything is fine. The current discussion about military service is a model of courteous exchange with no ad hominem anywhere and where people listen to each other with interest imo. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 06 2020 12:06 GMT
#6067
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brian
United States9531 Posts
July 06 2020 12:59 GMT
#6068
On July 05 2020 06:12 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. Can you elaborate a bit? I know that is very broad, but I guess I'm interested in the thoughts leading up to such a post (what made you think to post this) as well as the thoughts that would come after (how it would actually impact the thread[s] in question). i’d like to but i don’t think i’m going to find the time to produce the answer this deserves. been working myself to death the last few weeks, so sorry but this isn’t likely to find its way to fruition. i would’ve thought it obvious that i didn’t mean to literally just be +1ing, but rather acknowledging ones support or agreement generally. though i did appreciate the laugh I certainly didn’t want to be sounding like i’m suggesting we straight up break site rules. I also agree that we shouldn’t be trying to count points. really I agree with everything Biff said, but i think taking the step to say one or another is in good company will help stave off some of the personal attacks. maybe it’s just me but i typically find it harder to flame people i once had some good words with. more than anything i’d love to see an end to the relentless flaming. anyway, to try to elaborate just a little. For an example, a very constant criticism in the thread is a lack of condemnation on the latest line crossing or otherwise lack of having a known position, and it’s very easy to see someone making your same point for you and think ‘ok maybe i don’t need to participate,’ but I think that’s to the threads detriment. I think it goes a long way to state your position on a thing even if someone has already said what you think needed to be said. and then lastly, by not saying something you leave it to the readers to draw their own conclusions which, given the lack of generous interpretation, contributes to quite a few problems. suffices to say one never needs to look to far for examples of less than generous interpretation. in the absence of a clear position, one will nearly always be assumed by the reader. unless i’m just projecting, i’ve definitely been working on this myself. | ||
Zambrah
United States6832 Posts
August 25 2020 02:09 GMT
#6069
I sincerely think maybe its performance art to prove that saying conservative things doesnt inherently get you banned more given how often he was banned for saying liberal/progressive-y things. | ||
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2020 16:27 GMT
#6070
He's not said anything to endorse any conservative philosophies or Trump's politics. The shift has been in conservatives railing against the FBI, which has been a standard leftist positions for many decades (there's a hilarious SNL bit where Fox and Friends has Louis Farrakhan on to rant about the FBI). So far, he's only been complaining about republicans behaving badly against other republicans. The Russian stuff has long been a thing where a lot of people on the left (like GH, for example) feel like it is being played up mainly as a way for the DNC/Hillary to avoid blame/responsibility for running such an awful campaign. | ||
Zambrah
United States6832 Posts
August 27 2020 13:33 GMT
#6071
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farvacola
United States18768 Posts
August 27 2020 13:43 GMT
#6072
On August 27 2020 22:33 Zambrah wrote: He seemed to hold some far more left positions in the past and was pretty aggressive about hating republicans, his posting how is significantly more toned down, less one liner heavy, and feels generally more conservative, imo, I’m legitimately curious about that shift (even if maybe it’s just my imagination lol) For better or for worse, law school can change people. | ||
Nebuchad
Switzerland11353 Posts
August 27 2020 13:47 GMT
#6073
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JimmiC
Canada22815 Posts
August 27 2020 14:41 GMT
#6074
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GreenHorizons
United States21792 Posts
August 27 2020 14:53 GMT
#6075
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JimmiC
Canada22815 Posts
August 27 2020 15:25 GMT
#6076
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GreenHorizons
United States21792 Posts
August 27 2020 16:15 GMT
#6077
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JimmiC
Canada22815 Posts
August 27 2020 16:35 GMT
#6078
You have so many issues I don't where to start, I mean you think it is racism and conspiracy that keep getting you in trouble and not the people you continue to insult and offend. Calling all the mods liars shows how you take zero responsibility for all the problems you cause. You are shit disturber who loves Drama and being edgy. Why a few people find you interesting when you are so one note and nothing solution based is beyond me. Already having the answer than Capitalism is the problem for everything and working backwards from there leads to you making and defending extremely ignorant and offensive comments around many topics but the ones that erk me are around the Venezuelan people and the Chinese people. I lost what little respect I had for you when you were in sending message after message all night long while actual people who care were actually out protesting. Showing up to later day time protests days later and being disappointed in them is hardly what I would describe as revolutionary. And then when you had your moment to shine and the de-fund the police came to light and people were asking for your expertise you dodged every question and resorted to insulting everyone as beneath you. It became painfully obvious to me as it has in regards to Venezuela that you know nothing beyond the slogan. If you had some substance to provide maybe some of your bullshit would be worth it but it is clear that you do not. It is strange that some people still take what you say seriously. You're boring and oh so predictable. Feel free to get in your last shot and we will meet again when you offend the next person and play victim. You are probably in triple digits by now so I'm sure it won't be long. pmh is just another victim in your long history of being a jerk, and sadly he won't be the last. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21792 Posts
August 27 2020 16:52 GMT
#6079
On August 28 2020 01:15 GreenHorizons wrote: Presumably anyone that learned that would be falling over themselves to apologize for their role in it. I'll believe anyone "learned" when the profuse apologies (not even to me) start rolling in. Literally wasn't even talking about myself lol. Kudos for managing to cram yet another inexplicable "China and Venezuela!?!?!" in your rant though. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22815 Posts
August 27 2020 18:02 GMT
#6080
On August 28 2020 01:52 GreenHorizons wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2020 01:15 GreenHorizons wrote: Presumably anyone that learned that would be falling over themselves to apologize for their role in it. I'll believe anyone "learned" when the profuse apologies (not even to me) start rolling in. Literally wasn't even talking about myself lol. Kudos for managing to cram yet another inexplicable "China and Venezuela!?!?!" in your rant though. Had you said "not to me" I would agree, "even to me" reads like you think you deserve it also, and this is why I took the time to explain why I don't think you do. If you agree that you are a victim of your own behavior both why you anger so many and why you have been banned so many times, then I am impressed you are growing. I just doubt that you are, sorry. Have a good one! | ||
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