EPTOn July 04 2020 20:46 brian wrote:
never mind i don’t have the energy to finish this conversation.
never mind i don’t have the energy to finish this conversation.
As I was saying... 😭
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Jealous
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As I was saying... 😭 | ||
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brian
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in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8098 Posts
On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. +1 😉 | ||
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Jealous
10333 Posts
On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. Can you elaborate a bit? I know that is very broad, but I guess I'm interested in the thoughts leading up to such a post (what made you think to post this) as well as the thoughts that would come after (how it would actually impact the thread[s] in question). | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 05 2020 05:38 brian wrote: one thing i would like to dispel is the idea that agreeing or +1ing someone’s post in the context of specifically actual disagreements (not this ridiculous flame war) is either lazy or viewed negatively upon. noting where a person agrees, and another person is in some company is very important in my opinion, especially in our group as opposed to anywhere else on the site. in a place where the topic du jour really only gets going because of disagreements(well, the interesting ones anyway,) i think it is important to acknowledge where a particular person does agree. the antagonistic nature of the thread is better off for highlighting our similarities as often as the opportunity arises. I wouldn't be against it if it was a feature we could use instead of an actual post in the thread. Then you'll get 12 posts of +1 and no discussion unless someone decided to add more information. So if you +1 a post, at least add a bit more to keep the conversation going a bit. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8098 Posts
I think as long as arguments don't become personal, and that we don't accuse (or insinuate) that the other party is a horrible person / a racist / insensitive to such or such group's suffering / etc, then everything is fine. The current discussion about military service is a model of courteous exchange with no ad hominem anywhere and where people listen to each other with interest imo. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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brian
United States9641 Posts
On July 05 2020 06:12 Jealous wrote: Can you elaborate a bit? I know that is very broad, but I guess I'm interested in the thoughts leading up to such a post (what made you think to post this) as well as the thoughts that would come after (how it would actually impact the thread[s] in question). i’d like to but i don’t think i’m going to find the time to produce the answer this deserves. been working myself to death the last few weeks, so sorry but this isn’t likely to find its way to fruition. i would’ve thought it obvious that i didn’t mean to literally just be +1ing, but rather acknowledging ones support or agreement generally. though i did appreciate the laugh  I certainly didn’t want to be sounding like i’m suggesting we straight up break site rules. I also agree that we shouldn’t be trying to count points. really I agree with everything Biff said, but i think taking the step to say one or another is in good company will help stave off some of the personal attacks. maybe it’s just me but i typically find it harder to flame people i once had some good words with. more than anything i’d love to see an end to the relentless flaming. anyway, to try to elaborate just a little. For an example, a very constant criticism in the thread is a lack of condemnation on the latest line crossing or otherwise lack of having a known position, and it’s very easy to see someone making your same point for you and think ‘ok maybe i don’t need to participate,’ but I think that’s to the threads detriment. I think it goes a long way to state your position on a thing even if someone has already said what you think needed to be said. and then lastly, by not saying something you leave it to the readers to draw their own conclusions which, given the lack of generous interpretation, contributes to quite a few problems. suffices to say one never needs to look to far for examples of less than generous interpretation. in the absence of a clear position, one will nearly always be assumed by the reader. unless i’m just projecting, i’ve definitely been working on this myself. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I sincerely think maybe its performance art to prove that saying conservative things doesnt inherently get you banned more given how often he was banned for saying liberal/progressive-y things. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
He's not said anything to endorse any conservative philosophies or Trump's politics. The shift has been in conservatives railing against the FBI, which has been a standard leftist positions for many decades (there's a hilarious SNL bit where Fox and Friends has Louis Farrakhan on to rant about the FBI). So far, he's only been complaining about republicans behaving badly against other republicans. The Russian stuff has long been a thing where a lot of people on the left (like GH, for example) feel like it is being played up mainly as a way for the DNC/Hillary to avoid blame/responsibility for running such an awful campaign. | ||
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Zambrah
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farvacola
United States18863 Posts
On August 27 2020 22:33 Zambrah wrote: He seemed to hold some far more left positions in the past and was pretty aggressive about hating republicans, his posting how is significantly more toned down, less one liner heavy, and feels generally more conservative, imo, I’m legitimately curious about that shift (even if maybe it’s just my imagination lol) For better or for worse, law school can change people. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12467 Posts
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States24023 Posts
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States24023 Posts
On August 28 2020 01:15 GreenHorizons wrote: Presumably anyone that learned that would be falling over themselves to apologize for their role in it. I'll believe anyone "learned" when the profuse apologies (not even to me) start rolling in. Literally wasn't even talking about myself lol. Kudos for managing to cram yet another inexplicable "China and Venezuela!?!?!" in your rant though. | ||
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JimmiC
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