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FatManIsFat
Australia9 Posts
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Paladia
802 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:17 Monzterg wrote: Yea the fact that Starcraft 2 is the Justin Bieber version of Brood War also really diminishes the status the great players get. I feel like "Woho you've become one of the best Starcraft 2 players in the world? Congratulations you have now retained a status compareable with a real pokemon grandmaster!!" I used to be a hardcore fan. I grinded ICCup, watched all the proleague, MSL and OSL matches I could on a daily basis. I'm so sad  BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were. They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong. How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On June 01 2011 04:53 reprise wrote: The Reaver is much more exciting to watch than Collosus. The fact that it's severely handicapped by it's speed made it a nailbiting experience to watch and see if the shuttle carrying it is going to get sniped, or if the scarab which has the possibility to change the outcome of a game, become a dud. The Collosus is boring because it is predictable, easy to use yet extrenely powerful, making it a staple unit in every game. What other "extremely powerful" unit do the protoss have? You all bitch about the Colossus, but non of you says a word about the weak and at the same time costly gate units. It's not like protoss already have powerful "core" units and the Colossus is the imba icing on the cake...no, in reality gate units are inferior to their counterparts for the other two races and the Colossus is needed to bring back "balance to the force". | ||
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Mactator
109 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote: Them suddenly coming up with brood mothers to drive the gameplay shows you how much vision they have. Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were. They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong. How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO. I couldn't agree more. SC2 is designed for the mass. EDIT: When I started playing SC2 I was hoping for long back and forth games that weren't decided by a few mistakes but the mechanics and skills of the player. This game is just one big frustration. It has so much potential but it never really reaches it. | ||
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Warpish
834 Posts
For the same reasons I don’t want to move Kerrigan around with some laser gun and upgrade her. I want a campaign that focus on the larger scheme of things. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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BBXX
Poland14 Posts
I hope that Blizzard will introduce some additional upgrades in multiplayer game i would like to see - speedlings upgrade 100m/100g at lair tech now zerglings get one more max hit points after killing an unit up to 60hp. (not all zerglings but thoose that got a kill) it would be impressive to see new lings micro involving retaining hurt ones - nydus network upgrade 100m/100g at hive tech now units at nydus network will be healed at rate one hp per second those upgrades would change matchups to more be dynamic what are your thoughts about them ? PS.Sorry, i am still learning english | ||
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WhiteKnight88
United States2 Posts
I will punch a baby if they do not include lurkers though. Easily my favorite unit in Broodwar. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote: Them suddenly coming up with brood mothers to drive the gameplay shows you how much vision they have. Not to mention the whole Tassadar/Overmind thing and them leaking the ending of HotS. They have no vision or creativity and fail time and time again at elegant design. And very tech savy game engine wise they never were. They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong. How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO. Wow dude, really? please leave this forum and go play some "hardcore" rts. | ||
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sigma_x
Australia285 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:17 Paladia wrote: BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead. It is superior, in the sense that it has a lot more strategy and depth than sc2. Unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily translate to more people playing it. For example, there's not much money in the Western esports scene in sc1. As a result, many people outside of Korea can't follow player-celebrities like they do currently in sc2. It's also from an older time period, and it goes without saying that there is a different response between being attracted to a new game as opposed to returning to an old one. But you knew these things of course. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:17 Paladia wrote: BW was still there last time I checked. If it was by far the superior game, people would play it instead. I agree, there's nothing stopping players from playing BW right now. Also, I hate that people use Pokemon in vein (Pikachu = Jesus fyi)...it has a competitive scene that revolves around one of the most tactical strategic games I've ever played. It is simple in its complexity and that's why people hate on it (also because it's a kid's cartoon), but at a high level it's the ultimate game of mindgames and deception. Of course, it has to be balanced by the competitive community because the cartridge games are super unbalanced, but yeah. Just saying I wish people would use something else to compare with. More on topic, the story looks super terrible in relation to WoL...well, we gave up everything to free Kerrigan...now she's regaining her powers over the swarm and everything was a damned waste of time...yay... | ||
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bubusls
Romania61 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On June 01 2011 21:25 bubusls wrote: Hm, but will there be incompatibilities between players who didn't buy HotS yet ? I mean, if you don't have the expansion, you can't get the new units, so you can't play the updated multiplayer. So WoL is useless without HotS, meaning everybody is forced to buy every game. Or will you still have a multiplayer guarantee with WoL ? If you have wings of liberty you can play the wings of liberty multiplayer, but not the HotS multiplayer. If you want to play the HotS multiplayer, you need to buy HotS. Result: 2 different ladders: the WoL ladder and the HotS ladder. | ||
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norterrible
United States618 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote: How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? Yeah all those other great game devs out there making amazing RTS games.... | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On June 01 2011 21:13 Ruscour wrote: More on topic, the story looks super terrible in relation to WoL...well, we gave up everything to free Kerrigan...now she's regaining her powers over the swarm and everything was a damned waste of time...yay... If HoTS started up, and the opening cutscene revealed that the entire WoL campaign was a bad dream, I could not be happier. The multiplayer in SC2 is fun. I enjoy following the GSL/TSL/other smaller tournaments... I enjoy playing on ladder - the matchmaking is excellent, the possibility for improvement is there, the custom maps are coming, multiplayer is FINE imo. The single player was a nightmare. The thing that drew me into sc1 and BW was at first, the gameplay. I was ten (ish) and I'd have played any RTS game back then and loved it. The thing that brings me BACK to BW every two years or so to play through the campaign is not the difficulty, the mechanics, or the things that most of TL complains about, but the story. It's EPIC. The characters are deep. They have personalities, motivations, aspirations, a life of their own. Go play through the sc1 campaign - compare that raynor to the WoL Raynor. Play BW again, and compare the old mengsk to the new one. Compare the overmind, or Duran and Kerrigan to.... whatever villain we have in WoL. The Hybrids? I guess? Fire your writers. I don't care if you get the old guys back - I don't care if you have the guys who're writing the books do the story, I don't care if you hire some fanfiction writer. I just want a storyline that stands up to the footsteps BW left us. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote: How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? I have to disagree. What was the last RTS with decent balance and good support? All those new RTS games live maximum 1 year (newest red alert's, c&c's, etc). Starcraft 2 is much easier then starcraft 1, I agree, but that doesn't make sc2 a bad game. Imo it's better then any other RTS game (broodwar excluded ofcourse). | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:23 Hekisui wrote: They already messed up SC2 multiplayer. Dustin Browder admitted that he was clueless and wrong. How much longer will it take until people realize Blizzard isn't by far the best game dev but actually a below average one? Ooh and when will top SC2 players realize why they get no respect? Remember when everyone respected SC BW gamers because everyone knew SC BW was the most hardcore game to play? Well, SC2 is basically the most casual RTS played competitively. It's sad when your game is more casual than HALO. Go back to watching your broodwar then? I mean coming in to a thread about a SC2 expansion to bitch about SC2 is sure going to accomplish a lot eh? Q: How much will Heart of the Swarm cost? A: We typically don't provide details about pricing until the game is closer to release. We do view Heart of the Swarm as an expansion set, so for the regions that have a standard box business model such as North America and Europe, we will price accordingly. Glad to hear that. Thanks for the preview write-up TL staff! | ||
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MrASAP
United Kingdom63 Posts
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HunterFire
Malaysia1 Post
But what i wish and hope is this will not cost us or not much, due we get SC2 with expensive price. | ||
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