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On May 18 2011 08:44 Incognito wrote:
Oops for some reason I thought there were 24 people in this game...
Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies
Caller
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
bumatlarge
Radfield
GMarshal
Kurumi
Ace
tnkted
infinitestory
Dreamflower
Deconduo
KillerSOS
Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers
Chezinu
Eiii
OriginalName
Fishball
kitaman27
Mr. Wiggles
Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people
Node
Scamp
GMarshal
chaoser
Barundar
Kavdragon
Mafia 2 DT can check one list per day. Inventor can give out a vote list check kit. And still, 2 vote checks are better than nothing. Really we only need 3, as the 4th one we can infer by the results of the others. And as Ace said before, anyone who is a stray vote can just be individually checked.
Me lurking? Never!
All oldies knows I rarely point fingers at anyone, no matter what alignment I am, until I have something solid. Standard Fishball IMO, especially this early into the game.
For shits and giggles, I talked to BC on MSN and gave him my incomplete-preliminary Mafia list. I'll be sure to brag after the game if I get anything right, *cough*.
Time for The Witcher 2!
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:59 Fishball wrote:
For shits and giggles, I talked to BC on MSN and gave him my incomplete-preliminary Mafia list. I'll be sure to brag after the game if I get anything right, *cough*.
I don't trust BC. You should share your list with us instead.
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On May 18 2011 08:59 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 08:44 Incognito wrote:
Oops for some reason I thought there were 24 people in this game...
Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies
Caller
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
bumatlarge
Radfield
GMarshal
Kurumi
Ace
tnkted
infinitestory
Dreamflower
Deconduo
KillerSOS
Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers
Chezinu
Eiii
OriginalName
Fishball
kitaman27
Mr. Wiggles
Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people
Node
Scamp
GMarshal
chaoser
Barundar
Kavdragon
Mafia 2 DT can check one list per day. Inventor can give out a vote list check kit. And still, 2 vote checks are better than nothing. Really we only need 3, as the 4th one we can infer by the results of the others. And as Ace said before, anyone who is a stray vote can just be individually checked. Me lurking? Never! All oldies knows I rarely point fingers at anyone, no matter what alignment I am, until I have something solid. Standard Fishball IMO, especially this early into the game. For shits and giggles, I talked to BC on MSN and gave him my incomplete-preliminary Mafia list. I'll be sure to brag after the game if I get anything right, *cough*. Time for The Witcher 2!
Sorry, I was mistaken. You are the pinnacle of pro-town play. Just vote Scamp, k?
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Looks like I've been dubbed king of the lurkers.
Also I don't understand how Caller, Flamewheel, and Foolishness have earned 'likely townie' status.
What is that second list? And why is KavDragon on the 'likely townie' and 'suspicious people' list?
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Oh, wait. I think I get it now. The people below vote for the people on the top of the list.
Why do you want GMarshal dead the most?
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Incognito: I think you're town-aligned. Your posts are concise and make good, pro-town points without delving into pointless arguments. There have been a couple of weird posts (most notably here), and I wish that you'd back up your accusations, but I don't think you've done anything particularly scummy.
I also think that it's incredibly foolish to think that you can get people to vote in the way you described just because you asked for it. That is what you're asking, right? I realize that ideally the vote rigger sets it up that way, but as you said there's no guarantee that he's both in the game and willing to follow orders. I'd be willing to go along with it if everybody else is, but I feel that without the vote rigger using his ability it's far too easy for mafia to just shift a vote or two and both lynch an innocent and dodge the DT.
I am curious as to why you're making GMarshal the person who actually gets lynched. I would much rather see chaoser or Barundar die at the end of the day.
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I actually now want Kavdragon dead the most. After looking back at XXXVIII I'm 95% sure he's mafia. Let me update my list:
Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies
Caller
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
bumatlarge
Radfield
Ace
Barundar
Kurumi
tnkted
infinitestory
Dreamflower
Deconduo
KillerSOS
Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers
Chezinu
Eiii
OriginalName
Fishball
kitaman27
Mr. Wiggles
Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people
Node
Scamp
GMarshal
chaoser
Barundar
Kavdragon
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I must be the loudest and most obnoxious lurker..How can a lurker even be loud? I love your idea incog, but I don't like the fact that people will be voting for me.
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For the time being, voting Chezinu to encourage Incognito's list playing out. I reserve the right to switch if it doesn't come together. 
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Fine. If this doesn't play out (I know I'm kinda late in the day), please make sure Kavdragon is lynched.
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##Vote Kavdragon
alrighty! I love scamp too much to vote for him..I'll switch my vote last second to him if I know he will live.
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Incognito referendum:
Looks pretty green to me so far, makes good points, constructive posts. The random votes and asking for nukes look weird though, lacks reasoning for early suspicions.
On reflection, I think there's a possibility Deconduo might be Hero. I'll switch my vote for now.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Ah, TL Mafia games sure do ramp up in the last few hours of the day. I'll be commenting after dinner.
Just a quick question though... Hey Ace, if Kavdragon is lynched who are you going to shoot instead? Let's make sure not to overlap now, eh?
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On May 18 2011 09:15 flamewheel wrote:
Ah, TL Mafia games sure do ramp up in the last few hours of the day. I'll be commenting after dinner.
Just a quick question though... Hey Ace, if Kavdragon is lynched who are you going to shoot instead? Let's make sure not to overlap now, eh?
That's exactly why I wait 24 hours first for 48 hour days.
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For the sake of completeness, lets compare Kavdragon's play in XXXVIII and this game to XXXIV (Pokemafia).
In Pokemafia, Kavdragon comes up with a long LSB accusation. Nice and all, except that he doesn't follow up. A few posts later, almost nothing is mentioned about LSB, and he goes off to vote some other random person. Compare to this game, where Kavdragon makes an accusation on Node, and then lets it get buried in the thread.
Now I'm 100% certain Kavdragon will be lynched, so here's my suggestion. Keep the votes close among the 4 candidates, with Kavdragon in the lead. If any "save Kavdragon" agenda appears to be occuring, everyone has my full blessing to ignore the assigned vote lists and ensure that Kavdragon is lynched.
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Oops I meant "Now I'm 100% Kavdragon is mafia"
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
This comes early Day 1. Notice how bold and confident it is. Was he wrong? Yes. Honestly, his case is made off of very little information and many assumptions. But that didn't stop him. After his first accusation post he keeps pushing. Even after this, he keeps mentioning his thoughts. All throughout the day he points out scum. Not "gathering information", but real accusations. He accuses at least 5 people throughout day 1. Even when DH says he will consider lynching him, Kav remains aggressive, maintains his focus on DH, and dares DH to lynch him. That is aggressive, risky play. Now look at this game. Kavdragon suddenly retracts into his hole, is "afraid" of good players, and needs to poke for information. He doesn't follow a coherent train of thought, and his defense isn't anywhere near convincing either. He doesn't strongly accuse anyone of anything, and his defense shows that he cares a lot. Overall, strong case for red.
I disagree with the Kavdragon lynch. I'll admit that I've been skim reading some of his later posts, but after a quick look through, I still don't get the scum vibe. I agree with some of your points Incog, but on the whole disagree with the conclusion. Mind you, I haven't read through his other games, so your opinion is a bit more learned than mine.
Anyways, Kav has had some bold, unafraid posts in this game. He has been disagreeing with people with reckless abandon, and for at least the first half of the game, seemed very confident. Again, can't compare with his other games, but i'm really picking up the opposite vibe.
Another possible reason to vote Barundar over Kavdragon, is that if he's mafia Barundar very likely took CPR Doc. He was 'assigned' this role, so would not look suspicious if he took it, and it's very difficult to discover if he uses it or not.
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After way more worrying than I should have done over whom I should place my vote on, I still don't feel that anyone particularly jumps out at me for being suspicious. I didn't like a lot of Scamp's posts, but I think he has gotten a little better since, and while I agree chaoser has been inactive, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt due to real-life busyness. I also think Ace contradicted himself when he criticized (and continues to criticize) people who founded accusations off 5 posts and then used Incognito's four unusual posts as the entire basis for his vote. Especially considering that Incognito has contributed more since. There must be other people, like Chezinu, who have generally posted random things that Ace could target. But I digress.
For lack of better ideas and because I want my vote to count for something, I'll resign myself to following Incognito's vote plan for now, though I will reserve the right to change my vote if something changes. Given that he introduced the vote rigger/Mafia 2 detective idea and generally made pro-town posts, I think it's likely he's town. Not even Ver writes huge (yet thoughtful) walls of text like that when he's Mafia.
So, #vote Barundar for now.
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Well, if Incognito is town he sure knows how to save his ass with long posts and fresh plans. I don't like how his plan revolves around roles being selected that we don't know are actually in the game (both vote rigger and list-checking DTs/inventors) and his plan is basically dividing up the town in a way that no one is expecting to work. But if we do go along with it he did narrow the suspects down to four.
Kind of curious how I made the short list over Chaoser, though..
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Whoops, I meant to say 'if Incognito is mafia' and not 'if Incognito is town'. But I guess it works both ways.
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