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On April 14 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:07 GMarshal wrote:On April 14 2011 09:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Thanks for reminding me to look at the kills jackal, I remember I thought it was something important to do (some vet mentioned it after insane 2, I forget who), and then day came and I woke up to the whole Assassin claiming DT mess.
Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away.
So, one by one now
darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim
conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea.
A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing.
Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. Well, thats one way to defend oneself I guess, refuse to argue. Ok, tell me why I'm "misguided" if it doesn't satisfy me I'll keep bothering you No, I'm saying I will respond to your post just not anytime very soon because I am too busy to make a long drawn out post right this very minute. I'm saying that once I defend myself, I've defended myself. I don't want to have a big argument with you, it's just noise. People can look at what you said and what I said and decide for themselves what makes sense.
I can agree to that. Although if I think any part of your defense is weak, I will call you out on it ^_^
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On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated.
It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals.
I think it might be worth noting.
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Here's the meat of my read: He's contradicting himself! Step a: reject protact without consideration, without hesitation (yes other people did this, like kita and coag) Step b: Call coag scum (not assassin, he said he's scum even if protact flips black) with one of his main reasonings being the way coag rejected protact.
That's the main issue. He hasn't taken a stand on practically anything else, if this is the only thing he cares about enough to post about, a townie would be consistent.
If you really called for medic prot on protact, I have a problem with that chaoser. You too DrH. But I would have even more of a problem if the day previous you had only taken one stance and that was that protact is obviously anti-town and can't be trusted in the slightest.
Again, look at the contrast:
On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +I told you: if elected, I am an invincible double-shot vigilante. How are vigilantes generally used? You kill people who are very predominantly Mafia, and that's what I'm going to do. Being that I have my own excellentlucky hunches to back up my analysis, as well as a Detective check, you can bet that I'll be shooting Mafia, and I'm going to obviously be calling out my shots. Vigilantes generally confirm themselves in other games by breadcrumbing shots, and I have no need for such subtlety. yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress Show nested quote +Reiterating what I said above, I'm shooting anti-town targets, predominantly Mafia at first then moving into Assassins later on. If hits overlap, traditionally Mafia takes precedence. Yet again, that's a waste of KP for them. And if they hit Veterans, then obviously the Vet speaks up like normal, saying he took a shot in the night. YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. Completely dismissive, he 'knows better' than to believe FW could play protown. versus
On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:06 urashimakt wrote:On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote:On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote:
Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot.
Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red.Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. I don't have anything against what you've said except that you should care if he's assassin, since assassin can't use their DT check night 1. Just a thought. I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Now that protact has 'caught a scum', rean couldn't care less about his alignment, about his big scary alternate win-con, and how he can't possibly play pro-town? And on top of that, he wants to use a medic on him? Just yesterday, he was convinced that if protact got body guard protection, he'd have us lynching the assassins while the assassins shot the townies. Well, if we medic prot him and he's black, doesn't that mean the assassins will be shooting the medics?
He obviously didn't think it through enough. The problem is, this is the ONLY thing Rean has done in the thread, so what that says to me is that he doesn't actually give a rip about town
The rest of the analysis was just icing on the cake...
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Contradictions arn't a 100% scum tell. Contradictions are a symptom of fake scumhunting and manipulation. Rean doesn't seem like the one to be manipulative and he doesn't done any scumhunting yet.
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:/ well if I can't get lsb/drh/chaoser on board... this seems hopeless.
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On April 14 2011 09:26 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated. It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals. I think it might be worth noting.
Blue lists are pro-town, they have been pro town since time immemorial
let me break down why
1.) Medic lists increase the efficiency of medics, lets say for the sake of discussion the town has 1 medic, and I make a list with six targets for medic protection, this makes the mafia more hesitant to hit any of the six, since its more likely that there is a medic protecting them. That list singlehandedly multiplied the efficiency of the medic by six. If I make the mafia hesitate to hit a good player even a little then the list has served its purpose
2.) DT lists put pressure on people, and give something to analyze later in the game. Mafia especially inexperienced mafia panic when they are afraid they will be DTed, which can cause them to have to post more/attempt to appear pro-town to dodge the check.
3.) With all the new/inexperienced players around they need some guidance, I mean look at M0nster claiming tracker, if he is and he followed RedFF then he clearly should have followed my advice. Mafia probably would not have sent out a player under such suspicion to make a kill.
4.) When I inevitably die, you can look over my list of people to be dted, and people to be mediced and say "huh, these are the people GM was suspicious of, perhaps we ought to look at them"
that is why blue lists are good. Frankly I'm happy the mafia hit less valuable players, its nice to not need to worry about Pandian claiming jack of all trades or something, darm was under heavy suspicion by chaoser, which could have led to a mislynch and Cubed had all of 4 or so posts. so yes I think the mafia team is retarded for its hits.
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I'm going to retract my lynch vote on m0nsterChef. When he claimed tracker all fell into place, including him tracking me. He's just new and kinda bad. OMG HES ACCUSING ME HE MUST BE SCUM ILL TRACK HIM INSTEAD OF TRACKING SOMEONE I THINK IS RED. So yeah i'll have to think about who i want to lynch, but it's not coag. Flamewheel is fucking around the whole thread, i have no idea why anyone is listening to him at this point, just ignore him and let him die tonight and we can see how he flips. LSB, you replaced ON right? He was a pretty scummy read for me and others, so the fos still stands.
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On April 14 2011 09:28 LSB wrote: Contradictions arn't a 100% scum tell. Contradictions are a symptom of fake scumhunting and manipulation. Rean doesn't seem like the one to be manipulative and he doesn't done any scumhunting yet.
Exactly. While contradictions are suspicious. it's the subtle contradictions that are the most suspicious. I'll be keeping my eye on rean but his contradictions are full 180 degree. It's more the wishy washy people who can't seem to take a side that are likely to be scum.
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On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote:I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. I'd rather lynch your mother than Coag right now. I have the utmost respect for FW and his analytical skills. However he lied. His gambit failed. He lied. His motivations are obscured by his lies. I cannot accept anything he says. And to base a lynch upon his "analysis" or anything else he says is fucking stupid. I've run gambits before. More than once. Every time I have I fully expected to be lynched for my troubles. I accept that fate if I don't pull it off. I never lied in my gambits. I may have posted things that were unverifiable. I may have pissed a lot of people off in the process but I never lied. The only thing any townie can maintain a hold on is his or her own credibility. If you throw that away you're on your own. Would you guys listen to Pandain if he called somebody scum right now? (Ya I know he's dead) It's the same thing. We need to move on and push people that are lurking. Rean kevconsim TranceStorm Eiii urashimakt Lemonwalrus Milkyst DropBear The_Roist jaminz DarthThienAn AirbladeOrange MetalFace M0nsterChef Serejai Mig aidnai Conversion I'll bet you 20 bucks there are 6 scum in there. If not more.
Protactinium has been awfully silent since his declaration. Wtf is up with that. If he were a DT he would be in here defending his claim
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On April 14 2011 09:50 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote:I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. I'd rather lynch your mother than Coag right now. I have the utmost respect for FW and his analytical skills. However he lied. His gambit failed. He lied. His motivations are obscured by his lies. I cannot accept anything he says. And to base a lynch upon his "analysis" or anything else he says is fucking stupid. I've run gambits before. More than once. Every time I have I fully expected to be lynched for my troubles. I accept that fate if I don't pull it off. I never lied in my gambits. I may have posted things that were unverifiable. I may have pissed a lot of people off in the process but I never lied. The only thing any townie can maintain a hold on is his or her own credibility. If you throw that away you're on your own. Would you guys listen to Pandain if he called somebody scum right now? (Ya I know he's dead) It's the same thing. We need to move on and push people that are lurking. Rean kevconsim TranceStorm Eiii urashimakt Lemonwalrus Milkyst DropBear The_Roist jaminz DarthThienAn AirbladeOrange MetalFace M0nsterChef Serejai Mig aidnai Conversion I'll bet you 20 bucks there are 6 scum in there. If not more. Protactinium has been awfully silent since his declaration. Wtf is up with that. If he were a DT he would be in here defending his claim
Well milkyst has one post so far where he says that he is voting to lynch me and proceeds to vote for me to be mayor in the voting thread. He is not scum lol, i would be surprised if he comes back.
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On April 14 2011 09:26 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated. It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals. I think it might be worth noting. I'm openly rude to scum all the time. Fuck you scum. See. Occasionally I've been rude to fellow townies as well.
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Oh that reminds me I still want famewheel to respond to my question of what was the exact result he got back for coag.
Jackal, I propose we pressure the following five:
TranceStorm -because one of the dead suspected him AirbladeOrange - because I think he comes off as scummy Mig jaminz kevconsim
then if we get responses that satisfy us we move onto another set of five.
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townies contradict themselves more often than scum
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On April 13 2011 18:17 aidnai wrote: hmm... lots of people missing from this conversation. I'm gonna give it a rest and see what's up tomorrow.
SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean
none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much?
depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right?
goodnight everybody.
Trying to derail the lynch. How cute. You’re going to have to make a bigger splash if you want to be successful though. The list is laughable: earlier you didn’t give an opinion on Coagulation other than maybe lynching him. But now that he's in the spotlight you turn around and ignore the whole Coagulation thing, offering over and over again to lynch an inctive instead. Inactive over scummy? Please…
For everyone trying to discredit the Coagulation as scummy: Coagulation is not “unreadable”. Its fairly easy to differentiate when he is town and when he is mafia. As I stated in my analysis, one thing that has been strikingly absent from this game is Coagulation actively and fearlessly pointing out scum. Check out any prior game where Coagulation is town. He has no problems pointing out who he thinks is scum. On the other hand, in this game, he hasn’t accused any mafia with conviction. Yes, it is true that even as town, Coagulation doesn’t post any analysis. But that doesn’t stop him just saying “X is mafia”. Notice how that is not present in this game either. It doesn’t matter that he defended Kavdragon. Mafia know that information anyways, so it isn’t a big shocker.
Coagulation isn’t acting like he normally does when he’s town. He viciously attacked my candidacy, which is a pro-mafia move. The timings of his posts are suspicious. Every one of his actions fit with mafia objectives. His defense of himself after my accusation is just terrible. His vet claim is laughable too. He said he could prove being vet. But that isn’t possible unless a vig shoots him. And how does he know there are any vets left? Obviously, he doesn’t. He’s just stalling for time. Notice how when everyone ignored his vet claim, he got even more desperate and asked for a DT check. Guess what, I already checked him! He’s obviously in a panic. Everyone trying to save him by suggesting that they wait until I flip first is just trying to stall for time. If you take a step back and think about it for a moment, Coagulation is clearly mafia.
Everyone stop bickering and focus on the real issue at hand, which is the Coagulation lynch. Everything else can wait until tomorrow.
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On April 14 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Oh that reminds me I still want famewheel to respond to my question of what was the exact result he got back for coag.
Jackal, I propose we pressure the following five:
TranceStorm -because one of the dead suspected him AirbladeOrange - because I think he comes off as scummy Mig jaminz kevconsim
then if we get responses that satisfy us we move onto another set of five. I don't thing half of them understand the concept of pressure. Either with votes or FoS in the thread. Hell jaminz and Mig might end up getting modkilled.
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A post by post analysis of AirbladeOrange (AO)
quotes in spoilers, my commentary in bold
+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here.
For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned.
My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. this is the worst reasoning I have seen for a vote, ever... GM has pretty pictures! Vote GM!?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? well, this is notable a rather bold first post it provides no reasoning and seems to accomplish nothing
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. the fuck? so random I dont know what to say one way or another
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. great way of saying nothing, while looking like you are saying nothing, yet still supporting someone
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 05:17 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote:On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo Sigh. I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much. im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. Even if Dr. H got hit, it doesn't mean that everyone on that list is mafia. It doesn't even mean that ANYONE there is mafia. They could hit him to make it seem like the other guys on his suspicious list are mafia when they could just be town. this is actually a decent point, but still it says very little
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 05:20 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this?
I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.
pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? Maybe it's just because I don't know Dr. H's style of play, but it just strikes me as being suspicious. But regardless he hasn't actually done anything yet to give us a reason to take action against him. But I do agree with him and Coag that we need to not worry about assassins for now. Definitely keep it in mind, but if we focus too much on them it will certainly give us less of a chance getting the mafia. this is a vacuous comment parroting Dr.H that looks like its adding something but isn't +1 scumpoint
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 05:44 AirbladeOrange wrote:I'm feeling uneasy that claiming roles and shitting up a storm is helping to keep the mafia safe and the town not united. noncontributing generality! Yay!
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:34 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:32 redFF wrote: We need people who are obviously not going to be elected to either do a large post to cement their bid for mayor with solid reasoning or to withdraw their bids. It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? at least he calls out FF but it adds nothing really null tell on this post
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? I'd say it's highly unlikely the mafia is mostly inactive people. Lurking or being inactive doesn't really indicate you are town, mafia, or an assassin. It just either means you are not paying much attention to the game or you don't really know what to do. It's always worth keeping track of who is lurking but I don't really see a lurker as a threat we can say should be lynched soon. I'm more concerned about active people are are trying to deceive the town. I'm moderately suspicious of Dr. H. still just because of how he came right out the the gate a little bit crazy. Kavdragon, as I mentioned earlier, started out seeming like town but seems to get more and more suspicious as the game goes on. Now he is just throwing around accusations that I don't fully understand. downright wrong, mafia often hides amongst the lurkers. to me this looks like he is trying to distract attention from his buddies in the shadows, also alot of text to say "I want to lynch an active player over a lurker" yet manages to dodge committing to any of them
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 09:35 AirbladeOrange wrote: My first post i said I was thinking about voting for Marshal. I had just come off of a ban and was giving my initial feeling from reading all those pages of mostly spam. It wasn't until a good amount later that I actually made a decision and voted. I didn't have a reason to vote against him, as Dr. H and Kav seemed more suspicious than him, and they were two of the other major contenders.
Later, I think it was I, who first mentioned that he might be red. The bandwagoning can be suspicious but really I don't put much stock into it. The last game of mafia I played the town bandwagons a lot especially in the early game. I don't really suspect Marshal, but of course it's possible.
M0nsterChef is either red or is just bad at the game. That's what I'm thinking. But I think there might be a correlation between him blindly voting for Marshal and possibly people bandwagoning. Even though bandwagoning doesn't mean much at this point, reds are very likely to bandwagon right now. If any red is bandwagoning it is probably a lurker like M0nsterChef. I say take him out unless there are any new developments that are meaningful. If he turns up red then we take down Marshal and check into the other bandwagoners.
I'm beginning to think Dr. is less scummy as this goes on and I really don't know what to make of Kav. He has good and helpful posts, to newer players like myself. Is being overly helpful suspicious? I guess. But I'm suspicious of everyone and everyone should be suspicious of everyone else as well. The key is to just not make rash decisions.
Dr. H. and Kav both have support for them saying that they are good players and this might be a good reason not to lynch either of them just yet.
I hope that wasn't too much rambling and I got my ideas out relatively clear. Ask any questions if you find flaws in my reasoning. repeating what you said is a great way to avoid saying anything new! Also look how he dosn't commit to anything at all, he basically says "I have no idea, I wont commit to anything, lol" yet in a wall of text +1 scumpoint
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 11:31 AirbladeOrange wrote: I thought you were going to tone it down Dr. H?
And for the record I don't believe you to be scum anymore. I think you're just upfront and bitter. Fine by me as long as you are as good as people think you are at this game. an opinion, interesting, taking other players word about something, bad idea, still at least its an opinion
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm fine with lynching M0nsterChef or OriginalName.. It's not that I necessarily believe them 100% to be mafia, but they seem to be not helping out the town effort much. Either way both seem like decent candidates. Kav I'm still unsure of as well, but at least he provided good, if not suspiciously thorough, analysis/strategies for newer players. list all the current suspects to be lynched, then dont commit to any of them you would prefer lynched, +2 scumpoints
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 14:31 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 14:28 Coagulation wrote:On April 11 2011 14:00 Protactinium wrote: please elect me or I will die. I will do anything and say anything to get elected because frankly if I dont get elected I auto lose. here I shortened your platform up for you. Reds get desperate when they feel backed into a corner. let me restate an already made point!
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 01:54 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 20:21 redFF wrote: Finally, people listening to reason. DrH, Protact or kita, i dont care who it is, should be mayor. A day one lynch of OriginalName is a good idea. If he flips red, that means that Gmarshal is likely red, as are the other people who voted for him with little reasoning and leapt to each others defence when i called them out on it. M0nsterChef and AirbladeOrange. If original name flips red then we can also probably pin MiG because ON did a contentless analysis where he named him town. Town has to band together and vote for one of those 3. I have only defended myself thus far. If anyone thinks I defended anyone else in a strong fashion they are mistaken. I want it to be clear that my top two suspicious people right now, as was yesterday as well, are M0nsterChef and OriginalName. I do, however, agree with redFF that if ON is red, we need to worry about Marshal. I think the case is the same with M0nsterChef just because he has barely posted and blindly voted for Marshal. I still believe Marshal to be town, as with Dr. H. There is nothing that I feel I can be certain of at this point so I prefer to play safe and try to find the easier plays first. Getting rid of experienced guys like Dr. H (who is under less and less pressure now), Marshal (suffering from an extreme backlash because he got too many votes), and Kav (who I don't really know what to make of but would not be good to lynch first). Marshal's situation is suspicious but not condemnable. I feel we should try to take out people who may be his pawns - OriginalName, N0nsterChef I say as things stand right now go for one of these two and keep an eye on Marshal. I'm still good with electing him mayor as long as we don't forget the suspicions we experienced with the voting. And coagulation - I have no idea what to make of this guy. I think he's just crazy. I think GM is suspicious, yet I'm ok with voting him as mayor... ok... +2 scumpoints for anti-town behavior, you don't try to elect someone you think is suspicious into the mayorhood, also way to state the obvious about the current pressure conditions
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:22 chaoser wrote: Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there. Do reds generally run multiple people for mayor/pardoner, or just throw all their support to one of them? generic newbie question, not a sign of anything
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: This is bullshit, I'm not comfortable with a single mayor candidate. Now I wish I ran myself, but I didn't think I would have the 'street cred' around here to get elected. I'm obviously not going to run now, that would just split votes even further. At this point I'm going to say that we need to get votes off of GMarshal and onto DocH and Protact.
I've supported making Protact the Pardoner since his first announcement, so that should be no surprise to anyone. As for DocH, well... it makes me nervous that he said pre-game that he wouldnt run unless he's mafia... if he turns out to be mafia I'll feel really really stupid. But I think he just realised the same thing as me; none of the other candidates were very good, so he decided to run.
GMarshal, I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but your posts in this game have just been bad, bad, bad. I don't want you as mayor or pardoner.
tnkted, I just don't think you're competent enough, sorry.
kitaman running specifically for pardoner is weird and sketchy. Don't like it.
And those are our only options. -_- I don't recall hear much from you and would be interested in more of your analysis, reasonings, and examples. The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us. Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. odd theory that helps not at all + emphasizes how new he is , scummy
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 11:58 AirbladeOrange wrote: What does EBWODP mean?
Also, Marshal where is this coming from? Why are you hating on me now? Make up your mind whether your going to have my lynched or not because if you are I don't want to vote for you anymore.
How can I possibly be more redish than OrigionalName or M0nsterChef? the reaction I would expect out of any player, null-tell
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 13:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote: GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. I've been trying to publicly state my thoughts to everyone and keep everyone informed on my positions. Marshal, among others, has failed to answer my previous post where I ask what seems more scummy about myself compared to my top two picks of OriginalName and M0nsterChef. I really want to know if I should change my vote because time is almost up. a little too preoccupied about dying yet he fails to move his vote, something is off there, and that worries me
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? easy negative comment to make, if you aren't surprised then why did you fail to defend kav? letting someone you think is town is bad play
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 14:18 AirbladeOrange wrote: Obviously Dr. H's analysis was flawed but I still don't think he's mafia. I'm still suspicious of ON and M0nsterChef. Anyone else? still tunneling those two, still its an effort, so +1 town point, -1 town point for not actualy making a case
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. The reason I wanted to bring him up was the I was suspicious of him ever since the blind GMarshal vote. As the game goes on GM is looking more and more red. GM is even accusing me without any real analysis and has yet to ask me questions directly, which I am more than happy to address. But I guess my beef with GM will be left for another post later. I am always leery of people who look like scum from the very beginning and fail to ever help their own public image. With all that said I want everyone to be clear who are on my scummy list: M0nsterChef GMarshal OriginalName well its an attempt at analysis at least. I like how I only appear on his scumlist after others make a case on me where before I didn't even get mentioned, either sheep or taking advantage of the situation, one or the other
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 16:20 AirbladeOrange wrote: I'm not necessarily against lynching coagulation, but how is he definitely a better kill than M0nsterChef, OriginalName, or GMarshal?
At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me. let me summarize, I'm not going to commit to coag or any of my other suspects, I'm going to hope someone steps up and says "yes, lynch M0nster instead" so I dont actually have to take a stance
+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2011 02:11 AirbladeOrange wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2011 01:58 redFF wrote:We should lynch m0nsterChef. Let me tell you why. If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here.
For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned.
My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. and Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan.
Lynching inactives LURKERS Great idea unless you have a really obvious and active scum day 1 (Which I would not discount with so many newbies).
My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese.
However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads.
Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names).
So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz.
Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon-Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:24 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm pretty sure my explanation of my vote was not just wanted by MrWiggles and also Gmarshal and the other people playing the game. I simply used MrWiggles questions as a template for my explanation. Whether or not he is scum is irrelevant. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:04 M0nsterChef wrote: Agh crap, I was seriously considering changing votes, just because of all the stuff that has happened recently, until I realized time was up. Well ok then...thanks. indeed. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 11:17 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 13 2011 09:17 GMarshal wrote: So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause
Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid. His contributions are even less than mine. I think that it would be a waste to lynch him 2nd day because he doesn't seem to be doing anything that is hurting our progress other than making pointless posts. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChefWhy we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today. If the most important thing to do is to lynch scum, I just can't see coag being scummier than the guys I have been suspicious of long before coag. GMarshal, OriginalName, and most importantly M0nsterChef. I just don't really trust protac that much. His analysis seems quite good but so do his manipulation skills. I feel safer sticking to my guns and going with the people I think have the higher chance of being mafia. Right now that is M0nsterChef. Nobody have actually made a convincing argument why coag, if mafia, is actually more dangerous to keep around for another day than any other scum. Furthermore, I thought I did a decent job of showing all of M0nsterChef's notable posts. I think it's strange Red went through and did the same kind of thing that I did and came to the same conclusion. Big post without really saying much. how is m0nster with 10 posts more dangerous than coag? At least he sticks to his guns and points at his analysis thoug, +2 town points
Based on the day 1 stuff I'm tending [red]Scum[/red[ however if he continues to post and try to do analysis I might retract that belief, step it up AO!
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2011 10:17 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 18:17 aidnai wrote: hmm... lots of people missing from this conversation. I'm gonna give it a rest and see what's up tomorrow.
SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean
none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much?
depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right?
goodnight everybody.
Trying to derail the lynch. How cute. You’re going to have to make a bigger splash if you want to be successful though. The list is laughable: earlier you didn’t give an opinion on Coagulation other than maybe lynching him. But now that he's in the spotlight you turn around and ignore the whole Coagulation thing, offering over and over again to lynch an inctive instead. Inactive over scummy? Please… For everyone trying to discredit the Coagulation as scummy: Coagulation is not “unreadable”. Its fairly easy to differentiate when he is town and when he is mafia. As I stated in my analysis, one thing that has been strikingly absent from this game is Coagulation actively and fearlessly pointing out scum. Check out any prior game where Coagulation is town. He has no problems pointing out who he thinks is scum. On the other hand, in this game, he hasn’t accused any mafia with conviction. Yes, it is true that even as town, Coagulation doesn’t post any analysis. But that doesn’t stop him just saying “X is mafia”. Notice how that is not present in this game either. It doesn’t matter that he defended Kavdragon. Mafia know that information anyways, so it isn’t a big shocker. Coagulation isn’t acting like he normally does when he’s town. He viciously attacked my candidacy, which is a pro-mafia move. The timings of his posts are suspicious. Every one of his actions fit with mafia objectives. His defense of himself after my accusation is just terrible. His vet claim is laughable too. He said he could prove being vet. But that isn’t possible unless a vig shoots him. And how does he know there are any vets left? Obviously, he doesn’t. He’s just stalling for time. Notice how when everyone ignored his vet claim, he got even more desperate and asked for a DT check. Guess what, I already checked him! He’s obviously in a panic. Everyone trying to save him by suggesting that they wait until I flip first is just trying to stall for time. If you take a step back and think about it for a moment, Coagulation is clearly mafia. Everyone stop bickering and focus on the real issue at hand, which is the Coagulation lynch. Everything else can wait until tomorrow. I'm going to take a page out of Ace's book: You are now invisible to me assassin. I have no need to talk with people who don't share my wincondition and lie to achieve their ends. Have fun in hell tonight.
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On April 14 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Oh that reminds me I still want famewheel to respond to my question of what was the exact result he got back for coag.
Jackal, I propose we pressure the following five:
TranceStorm -because one of the dead suspected him AirbladeOrange - because I think he comes off as scummy Mig jaminz kevconsim
then if we get responses that satisfy us we move onto another set of five. I don't thing half of them understand the concept of pressure. Either with votes or FoS in the thread. Hell jaminz and Mig might end up getting modkilled.
I'm going to analyze them and see if I can't make them post, and I suggest you do the same.
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Oh, actually I do want to hear one response from the assassin
Flamewheel, what result, exactly did coag return?
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On April 14 2011 10:37 GMarshal wrote: Oh, actually I do want to hear one response from the assassin
Flamewheel, what result, exactly did coag return?
He said coag returned mafia didnt he
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