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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote: /facepalm /facepalm /facepalm Word cannot describe how foolish this claim was. There are a lot of newbies in this game. Roleclaims seem like an easy way to "defend" to the newer player. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
I'd love to know why you tracked me. I didn't do anything last night but i would rather have you track someone you thought was scum then just tracking the person accusing you. That's if your telling the truth, which i am inclined to believe you are. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
We don't even get definitive info on redff  But it is less likely that he's scum... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:12 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm a tracker. I tracked RedFF and he didn't go anywhere. You're either scum or stupid. Alright. I have been gently calling Coag and GMarshall scum since the beginning of night 0. A little more so today. I gotta believe scum has seen this. Looking over the people we lost last night I can't quite understand why CubeDin v1 who was just put in the game would have been killed over me. Same with tnkted. He did a lot of analysis but most of it's wrong because he doesn't understand the mechanics of the game. Both GMarshall and Coag know that once I start calling somebody scum I don't quit. If either were scum I gotta believe I would be dead rather than Cube and Twinkles (Miss you my love). Rean didn't post a lot in Insane. I was actually surprised he turned up blue in that game. But his posts weren't bullshit laden cesspools. Serajatroll is another one I would love to lynch. Neither are town oriented. They both play the idiot card. I would rather see either of them go. Neither are an asset. Both are very likely scum. I'm going to vote for Rean. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:29 aidnai wrote: yeah, probably just a newbie mistake. For any others out there--don't roleclaim to defend yourself unless your lynch is imminent. This was a mistake because there are no votes on him yet and there's 30+ hours left in the day. We don't even get definitive info on redff But it is less likely that he's scum... Or they're both scum | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:31 Jackal58 wrote: You're either scum or stupid. Alright. I have been gently calling Coag and GMarshall scum since the beginning of night 0. A little more so today. I gotta believe scum has seen this. Looking over the people we lost last night I can't quite understand why CubeDin v1 who was just put in the game would have been killed over me. Same with tnkted. He did a lot of analysis but most of it's wrong because he doesn't understand the mechanics of the game. Both GMarshall and Coag know that once I start calling somebody scum I don't quit. If either were scum I gotta believe I would be dead rather than Cube and Twinkles (Miss you my love). Rean didn't post a lot in Insane. I was actually surprised he turned up blue in that game. But his posts weren't bullshit laden cesspools. Serajatroll is another one I would love to lynch. Neither are town oriented. They both play the idiot card. I would rather see either of them go. Neither are an asset. Both are very likely scum. I'm going to vote for Rean. LOL Note: trying to read anything out of this post is a waste of time, I just thought that was hilarious | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: The big problem with this debate is 1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please  Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. + Show Spoiler [rean's posts with commentary] + On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above trollolol -_- On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? zzz... On April 13 2011 00:13 Rean wrote: Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more! ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something? At this point, it's obvious that Rean is trying to bring his activity level to 'normal' levels while ignoring what is actually going on so he doesn't have to take a stance. On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: ....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet. no comment On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Once again, contradicting his original rejection of protact. This is huge: before he couldn't accept for one second that protact would play in a way that didn't hurt town, now he's convinced of the opposite. What's the difference? well, in case one protact is denying scum a chance at mayor, in case two, protact is tying up a medic, but still role-blockable. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. This alone makes me sure that coag is a bad lynch today. On April 13 2011 18:32 Rean wrote: So he is a assassin, whatever. Doesn't clear you one bit, you've still acted pretty damn scummy all game long. Yes, acted scummy by opposing protact as mayor amirite? On April 13 2011 21:09 Rean wrote: Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him". You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please. mudslinging more mudslinging. If you don't want to read the whole wall of text, read only the quotes that I posted red under. Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. I really dislike this for a few reasons. Your rhetoric at the end is alarming. Using the word proves takes it a bit far. However I do understand the intoxication of confidence in scumhunting and the desire to be a bit provocative. Pot calling the kettle black but I feel the need to point it out because it's a mistake I make too. "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. A lot of shitty townies are in this mentality. This is bad reasoning on Rean's part but it isn't enough for a lynch. a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. He's saying coagulation is a likely assassin choice because he was so vehement in his opposition for protact as mayor. I picked up on this as well. FoS on coagulation/gmarshal isn't a scumtell. I think you misunderstand the last part. I said basically the same thing, I'm surprised you aren't going after me for it. Picking the easy target? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. I did all of these too. Why don't you... ![[image loading]](http://pic.phyrefile.com/l/lu/lupin_iv/2011/03/04/come_at_me_bro.png) | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away. So, one by one now darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea. A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing. Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Thanks for reminding me to look at the kills jackal, I remember I thought it was something important to do (some vet mentioned it after insane 2, I forget who), and then day came and I woke up to the whole Assassin claiming DT mess. Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away. So, one by one now darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea. A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing. Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2011 09:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. Well, thats one way to defend oneself I guess, refuse to argue. Ok, tell me why I'm "misguided" if it doesn't satisfy me I'll keep bothering you | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Or maybe scum were as curious as the rest of us as to what he was. I dunno. The only one that makes any real sense at all as far as active townies is Darm. Maybe they were just randomly searching for a bodyguard. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On April 14 2011 05:17 Robellicose wrote: LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them. Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself. In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent. However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3 On April 14 2011 08:57 chaoser wrote: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Who are you talking about? Sorry I don't keep up with times | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
"even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. BTW, that's almost NEVER a scumtell. Scum wants people to think they're town. They post very safely usually, especially newer players like Rean who have played like 3 games total. One of them was insane and the other was death factory, both abnormal games. Newer players generally don't go all out attacking other players and then back their logic up with "even if he's town, let's just kill him" since they'd be vetting their posts super crazy. I think it was Ver that said townies can dare to post fearlessly, while mafia are restricted to posting fearfully. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. To be honest, a lot of newbies think lynching solely for info is a good idea. Heck I thought it tons when I first started. If you look at early games in the Mafia forum we use to lynch a lot for info. Of course back then we had list checks...but i think logically, saying lynching for info makes sense since every lynch gives info inherently. Your case on Rean is weak at the moment but I'd be willing to take a second look at a later time | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 14 2011 09:07 GMarshal wrote: Well, thats one way to defend oneself I guess, refuse to argue. Ok, tell me why I'm "misguided" if it doesn't satisfy me I'll keep bothering you No, I'm saying I will respond to your post just not anytime very soon because I am too busy to make a long drawn out post right this very minute. I'm saying that once I defend myself, I've defended myself. I don't want to have a big argument with you, it's just noise. People can look at what you said and what I said and decide for themselves what makes sense. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
To be honest, a lot of newbies think lynching solely for info is a good idea. Heck I thought it tons when I first started. If you look at early games in the Mafia forum we use to lynch a lot for info. Of course back then we had list checks...but i think logically, saying lynching for info makes sense since every lynch gives info inherently. To better explain this. It's an easy logical leap to say, we lynched a green, most of the people wanting to lynch him but didn't vote for it/were wishy washy about it are red! We lynched a red, most of the people defending him vehemently must be red! This is true especially for newbies just getting into games. When vets are doing it is when you start calling them out on it. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean + Show Spoiler + Stuff I don't agree with On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. | ||
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