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On April 13 2011 19:00 Strategos wrote:
I'm sorry while i understand you are trying to improve the content of quality i must say this is reminds of of extremist authoritarianism, we come to TL to discuss and chat why cant we post our thoughts if we don't "watch the replay" cant we still have thoughts regarding the topic?

Also seriously? "Typing like a 14 year old girl" are you joking? I'm not sure whether I should be outraged by the ridiculous imposition you put on people to write like shakespeare or a English PHD (specially when considering for a fact a good number of TL'ers do not speak english as their first language) or the blatant sexism/ignorance in the assumption. I ask again, seriously?

This is internet Nazism and I definitely do not support this, and encourage other TL'ers to do so as well.

This is slipper slippery slope that TL is going, I hope the site that I love and hold dear will be what it has always been, an open forum where the community can discuss starcraft without being harassed by cyber bullies and dictators.

On April 13 2011 19:00 Strategos wrote:
I'm sorry while i understand you are trying to improve the content of quality i must say this is reminds of of extremist authoritarianism, we come to TL to discuss and chat why cant we post our thoughts if we don't "watch the replay" cant we still have thoughts regarding the topic?

Also seriously? "Typing like a 14 year old girl" are you joking? I'm not sure whether I should be outraged by the ridiculous imposition you put on people to write like shakespeare or a English PHD (specially when considering for a fact a good number of TL'ers do not speak english as their first language) or the blatant sexism/ignorance in the assumption. I ask again, seriously?

This is internet Nazism and I definitely do not support this, and encourage other TL'ers to do so as well.

This is slipper slippery slope that TL is going, I hope the site that I love and hold dear will be what it has always been, an open forum where the community can discuss starcraft without being harassed by cyber bullies and dictators.

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On April 14 2011 04:32 ZasZ. wrote:


1) No you can't. There are many little nuances to every game and describing it as "[H] ZvT Marine/Tank push" isn't enough to give posters an idea of what went wrong. Even if the OP does a great job of analyzing their game and posting a list of things they think went wrong, chances are they missed something, and you won't know it unless you watch the replay. Posting anything without watching the replay is probably theorycrafting and not helpful in the slightest to the OP. If you don't want to watch the replay, that's fine, just don't give him advice on the game then.

2) You seem to write just fine. Nobody is asking anybody to write like "shakespeare or an English PhD." Of course a big portion of the player base does not speak English as their first language, but it just so happens to be the language that TL uses to discuss and communicate. If you are going to post, people need to be able to understand you and not get brain cancer in the process. Also, as somebody who spent a lot of time dealing with "14 year old girls" right when instant messaging and text messages started to become popular in the US (I'm 23), I can tell you that it's not sexist at all. 14 year old girls really do talk like that, and I'm sure it's only gotten worse. It's completely unintelligible.

Starcraft 2 General is an open forum where the community can discuss Starcraft (although you still can't be an idiot). The strategy forum is a moderated forum where people who are completely stumped can try to ask for help, people who have thought long and hard about a topic can put it up for discussion, and people much, much better than us at this game can post informative guides that help your average TL'er get better at the game.

On April 14 2011 08:48 dmillz wrote:
Strategos if your really that inflamed, go start a revolution somewhere. The rules are there for a reason and yes, there might be a few less useful posts on some topics because you must watch the replay first, but there will be a LOT less dumbass responses that make everyone who reads them stupider.

On April 14 2011 08:55 Azrael22 wrote:
Strategos, the problem with your thinking the rules being enforced will inhibit people from posting in the strategy forum is that most of the "altruism like offering advice and suggestions" is just flat out BAD advice. Enforcing of these rules, while it may reduce the quantity of strategy posts, will (hopefully) greatly add to the quality of each post.

On April 14 2011 08:39 Strategos wrote:


I don't know what i find more ridiculous and quite frankly, hilarious, the fact that you think you're an expert on the social phenomenon of texting in prepubescent girls, or the fact that you think (hypothetical speaking) a high level diamond/masters would be unable to help say a silver player with their game given the information that the OP of any given post has stated. but that is not the point of this post, i am not here to argue over trivialities or whether the small sample of 14 year old girls you have dealt with in your limited time is enough evidence for you to draw the sweeping conclusions that you so strongly do, but again that isn't the point of this post.

all im saying is as a member of the community I do enjoy browsing the stratergy forums, and when I do see opportunities where i can contribute to another's progression, by offering constructive and meaningful advice, i do my best to do so .

However if you were to say that from this day forward, TLers cannot comment on any strategy post without watching the replay so be it. I lose nothing, but make no mistake, a policy like this will absolutely decimate a good number of valuable contributions as I am sure this will throw off many other people who have alot experience with starcraft from making contributions.

Now i understand the concern and well the intent of this post, the stratergy forum has of late been on a downward decline, however whether or not these particular changes will solve the problem, I am unsure, and am highly skeptical.

I have given my reasons why i don't think this is a good idea, but as another poster mentioned earlier, this is "NOT YOUR HOUSE", "thats why you opinions don't matter! Because the rules says so!!!!"

which then i guess raises the question who's house is it? I cannot say i have an answer. Is it Nazgul's house? or is it Zatics? While there no doubt certain individuals have contributed more to the community than others, but i must ask would TL be what is is today without the support of your regular TLer? Would this house be anything without the community that supports it? would their really be a house without the community, a community that contributes daily with no agenda, a community built upon practices of altruism like offering advice and suggestions in places like the strategy forums.

On April 14 2011 09:18 ZasZ. wrote:


Not sure why you're so upset to be honest. I'm not claiming to be any expert on age/social demographics, just stating that being politically correct is overrated and it's impossible to understand teenagers these days when they text/write something on the internet. Also you fail to address what zatic said in response to your post, which was something along the lines of: doesn't it seem a little rude to respond to somebody who takes a good amount of time to upload replays and analyze their play with "sorry I didn't watch the replay, but you should do XXX anyways" It doesn't matter how in-depth you think you're being, chances are half of the stuff you talk about doesn't apply. Watch the damn replay.

The new enforcement may indeed eliminate some helpful posters who don't really want to put any time into examining replays, but it eliminates a LOT of the random garbage that people post for the sake of posting. If you really disagree with it so much, I don't know what to tell you except look elsewhere for your Starcraft 2 knowledge. It's obvious TL wants a different environment than you do.

You'll find that people who ask for help in a coherent, well thought-out, self-critical way get similar responses from people who will take the time to watch their replays and tell them what went wrong. The altruism is still there we're just going for better post content.

On April 06 2011 11:18 Nonei wrote:


I don't know... it seems like there are quite a few replies from people that hadn't thought of it. Many of the replies are useless, of course, but as to the OP - it is simple, yes, but is pretty useful to a newbie like myself and not necessarily common sense. AND the OP spent time and thought on the post including pictures. Seems like that may be exactly the kind of post (and poster) you want to include in the strategy forums...

On April 13 2011 21:49 Cibron wrote:
I don't agree on theory crafting always being bad. Proposing untried methods of dealing with certain situations is different from suggesting stupid game changing stuff like "zerglings should fly".

On April 14 2011 09:35 Strategos wrote:


this has nothing to do with being "politically correct". You are making sweeping generalizations that are well...simply not true. Also that they are tremendously insulting to people who are these "teenagers who are impossible to understand".

"it obvious TL wants a different environment than you do".

that is so far from true. I am just presenting what i see as potential problems with instituting such a policy. If it turns out this is will be an effective way to improve the content, IM ALL FOR IT. I just think it may not, and I am concerned about the fallout of this new policy.

On April 14 2011 09:46 Saechiis wrote:


Way to be overdramatic over your 100 post history on TL.net. No-one would care if you left, if TL needed every person they could get they wouldn't be actively banning bad posters. Because that's what's happening, people who ruin the strategy forums by bad posting are getting banned as to show it is no longer accepted. TL is doing YOU a favor by hosting this great site, not the other way around, as such it's called THEIR HOUSE.

It all really isn't that hard to understand, but some people just seem to be born to complain about everything that happens on the internet, nitpicking every little detail they can even though they know there's good intentions behind them. Disgusting that people feel like they have done something significant by opening their browser and typing in the name of a site and enter, like they deserve credit for that work and are entitled to do what they desire because of it. No, people come to TL because it's the best and continues to strife towards being the best (as the purge demonstrates). You're not coming here out of the goodness of your heart, you're here because TL delivers, there's simply no equal alternative.

It's been said over and over, people who post badly in the Strategy forums are getting banned simply because there's more bad advice than vice versa, it's not the goal of the Strategy section to give incorrect, incomplete or irrelevant information. It's goal is to be the best tool of improvement for players of all levels across the internet and that's not going to be achieved by having large amounts of well meant, but wrong, advice floating around and concealing the factually correct replies. Asking nicely to not post if you don't actually have anything useful to say isn't working, so TL has to get out their hammer and force certain posters not to post. You can pretend they're doing it because they hate bronze leaguers or simply to abuse their moderating powers, but anyone who has been around TL for more than a month knows that's just not true.

Bottom line, if you don't post like crap you're not going to get banned. If you don't have the time to watch a replay, there's no need for you to make a post. I doesn't take a genius to see that 90% of "didn't watch the replay, but" posts are BS from the get go since they discuss builds, attacks or unit compositions that never even happen in the posted game. If you like posting in the SC2 Strategy Forums you just have to earn it by acquiring actucal SC2 strategy knowledge, if not, just read and learn from the other posters who are guaranteed to give you good advice. There's plenty of less serious threads and sections where you can drop your guard and have some fun, may I recommend NaDa's Body?

On April 14 2011 09:35 Strategos wrote:


this has nothing to do with being "politically correct". You are making sweeping generalizations that are well...simply not true. Also that they are tremendously insulting to people who are these "teenagers who are impossible to understand".

"it obvious TL wants a different environment than you do".

that is so far from true. I am just presenting what i see as potential problems with instituting such a policy. If it turns out this is will be an effective way to improve the content, IM ALL FOR IT. I just think it may not, and I am concerned about the fallout of this new policy.

On April 14 2011 11:50 Saechiis wrote:



The only thing you're raising is annoyance. Please open the TL.net Commandments and read that Teamliquid isn't a democracy and isn't pretending to be one. The fact that you're reverting to the argument of "isn't TL all of us as well?" implies that TL is somehow indebted for your membership, which is why I mention detesting people that feel their opinion is weighty on behalf of visiting a site. It also comes off pretentious from a 100 post user to bring up 10 years of community contributions as validation for his opinions, just because you're a part of the community doesn't mean all of the community's contributions were yours. The fact that after 100 posts you already feel entitled to call TL moderation Nazism and make condescending remarks about people who disagree with you or try to make clear that your attitude is disproportionate to your TL history, it doesn't bode well for your TL future.

As for your "concerns", the only thing I could find was you saying you like to give your thoughts without having to watch a replay, which I responded to generously:

+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe you read over it whilst pondering over philisosophical questions like Who is TL? and claiming I haven't read your overarching "concerns".

"The fact that you're reverting to the argument of "isn't TL all of us as well?" implies that TL is somehow indebted for your membership, which is why I mention detesting people that feel their opinion is weighty on behalf of visiting a site"