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I don't know... it seems like there are quite a few replies from people that hadn't thought of it. Many of the replies are useless, of course, but as to the OP - it is simple, yes, but is pretty useful to a newbie like myself and not necessarily common sense. AND the OP spent time and thought on the post including pictures. Seems like that may be exactly the kind of post (and poster) you want to include in the strategy forums...
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Hi Zatic;
I was wondering if you would be able to explain why this thread was closed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209806
This is not my thread, I am just concerened that the purge might be going a bit far here. In the OP he explains that he is not asking for "What I could have done better", he is asking an open ended strategy related question.
The question is "How do you guys deal with burrowed roaches as toss"
The Mod stomped in and closed the thread based on the fact that there is no replay. I can see why a replay is necessary in most cases as most question are "Why did I lose? or What did I do wrong?"
In this case, the OP asks a general question and wants to discuss Strategy, not any particular game.
I like the idea of solid quality content that TL strives for. And I believe there is some merit and quality generated by discussing the game as a whole, as oppose to 1 particular game/replay.
Zatic, do you agree with this thread being closed?
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United States22154 Posts
On April 07 2011 02:31 RoachyRoach wrote:Hi Zatic; I was wondering if you would be able to explain why this thread was closed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209806This is not my thread, I am just concerened that the purge might be going a bit far here. In the OP he explains that he is not asking for "What I could have done better", he is asking an open ended strategy related question. The question is "How do you guys deal with burrowed roaches as toss" The Mod stomped in and closed the thread based on the fact that there is no replay. I can see why a replay is necessary in most cases as most question are "Why did I lose? or What did I do wrong?" In this case, the OP asks a general question and wants to discuss Strategy, not any particular game. I like the idea of solid quality content that TL strives for. And I believe there is some merit and quality generated by discussing the game as a whole, as oppose to 1 particular game/replay. Zatic, do you agree with this thread being closed?
I realize this is directed at Zatic, but I'll answer it anyway ^_^
I agree with it being closed, the reason why we demand replays is because people often think they have an issue with one thing, while its really another. For example, maybe the issue he is having with burrowed roaches is that he lacks enough stalker to put out DPS against the roaches, or perhaps his robo timing is off and he needs a faster robo to get immortals. Without a replay we don't know what his issue with the roaches really is.
Also general questions such as "What build counters X" have generally been answered before and or should be asked in the general question thread, I mean theres usually a straight up answer to such questions that dont require a thread.
Just my two cents, I'll be glad to hear what zatic thinks
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On April 07 2011 02:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 02:31 RoachyRoach wrote:Hi Zatic; I was wondering if you would be able to explain why this thread was closed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209806This is not my thread, I am just concerened that the purge might be going a bit far here. In the OP he explains that he is not asking for "What I could have done better", he is asking an open ended strategy related question. The question is "How do you guys deal with burrowed roaches as toss" The Mod stomped in and closed the thread based on the fact that there is no replay. I can see why a replay is necessary in most cases as most question are "Why did I lose? or What did I do wrong?" In this case, the OP asks a general question and wants to discuss Strategy, not any particular game. I like the idea of solid quality content that TL strives for. And I believe there is some merit and quality generated by discussing the game as a whole, as oppose to 1 particular game/replay. Zatic, do you agree with this thread being closed? I realize this is directed at Zatic, but I'll answer it anyway ^_^ I agree with it being closed, the reason why we demand replays is because people often think they have an issue with one thing, while its really another. For example, maybe the issue he is having with burrowed roaches is that he lacks enough stalker to put out DPS against the roaches, or perhaps his robo timing is off and he needs a faster robo to get immortals. Without a replay we don't know what his issue with the roaches really is. Also general questions such as "What build counters X" have generally been answered before and or should be asked in the general question thread, I mean theres usually a straight up answer to such questions that dont require a thread. Just my two cents, I'll be glad to hear what zatic thinks
I see your point.
I just always feel bad when people have legitimate questions, and get thier thread closed without getting any helpful answer. Perhaps mods could be more helpful when closing a thread, i.e. "Your question is not unique, please refer to (thread) for discussion and replay analysis regarding your question."
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How much more of an answer could you want? The counter to any invisible units is detection. Also, immortals counter roaches. You don't need a teamliquid thread to tell you either of those. For anything else, that's what the replay rule is for.
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On April 07 2011 03:38 iamke55 wrote:
How much more of an answer could you want? The counter to any invisible units is detection. Also, immortals counter roaches. You don't need a teamliquid thread to tell you either of those. For anything else, that's what the replay rule is for.
I did not intend to defile this thread with specifics. Long story short, he was a reletivly high level player, looking for some high level discussion. Not specific counters or BOs. To me, it seemed he wanted to discuss mindset, and key factors pertaining to the PvZ matchup given the BOs.
But I understand why the replay rule exists. Im not retarded. I see special cases though where BOs/Counters are already given/implied. There is more to Starcraft than the right units and the right BOs.
As a side note, I'm always surprised at how egotistical Starcraft players are in general. Do you think that your out of place shpiel about detection vs roachs has anything to do with my point? No it doesn't, and you know it doesn't. In fact, short sighted points like that is why I believe this purge is being undergone in the first place. You just want to get your 2 cents in and appear as the superior tactician.
Again, I dont care about his question. But rather the wellbeing of the strategy forum.
Am I out of line here?
Edit: I believe that his thread would fall under the guidlines here.
[Q] Question threads
Ask for help with or against a specific strategy
In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
Post some analysis of the problem, and what you have tried so far. This not only avoids redundant advice but also shows people you have put some effort into this yourself.
As with the [H] threads, it makes it a lot easier to help you if you ask a couple of specific questions regarding the strategy you are unsure about.
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Thanks for taking the time to do something like this, it was due for a while now.
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I was a well deserved victim here. My posts are normally pretty good, but I wrote a pretty shitty one and got banned for it, and I admit that.
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I really like this change. If a forum gets out of hand it serves no purpose, just look at the official forums for wow. (probebly the worst forums in the gamingworld). And since I also play wow my mind goes to www.elitistjerks.com
They are probebly the harshest in the wow community on forumposters about their conduct and posting. And as a result of that they have some of the best forums I have ever seen. Everybody is nice and if you make a bad post you get banned and the post deleted. This is supposed to be a strategy forum and if you are not harsh about what people post then the general quality really suffers.
I just have a question regarding the Index of the forums. Is it not possible to make it a meny that splits everything up in sub categories (maybe to much work), so that it is easier to navigate the post list?
Thank you Zatic for making my day
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On April 07 2011 08:28 GKSE wrote:
I really like this change. If a forum gets out of hand it serves no purpose, just look at the official forums for wow. (probebly the worst forums in the gamingworld). And since I also play wow my mind goes to www.elitistjerks.com
First, no, the official wow forums are not even close to the "worst forums in the gamingworld." It's just because experienced players like to bash on people new to the game or who don't understand things perfectly. That's OK. That's what a forum is for.
Elitistjerks.com - Lol, yup, and their forums are completely dead. The ruthless moderation techniques are a good way to lose your community. There is no "community" at elitistjerks. People go there, read the thread for their class, and leave. Until you get to the level of elitistjerks in terms of crushing all forum thread starts, you will have complaints about the threads started. Question is if the site owner thinks no discussion is better than discussion that doesn't perfectly fit the mold of "new, interesting, unique, high level, amazing" all at the same time in order to warrant a thread start.
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Hey zatic, I recently got warned for something I wasn't sure of. I made a thread about it on the Website Feedback forums, over here.
Was I warned by you? If so, then I understand why I got warned, as I realize after going over my post that I only complimented the OP, and didn't contribute to the thread. But I still am not sure.
I am only asking for an explanation to why I got warned, and am not complaining or asking for my record to be cleared. Thank you in advance.
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Zurich15326 Posts
Agreed. OP describes games with his usual build. There is absolutely no reason not to post a replay to make clear what exaclty he is struggling with.
Regarding [Q] threads generally I wanted to get rid of those entirely for a while now as mostly they turn out bad anyway.
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your Country52797 Posts
Good work Zatic; some nights I can't find a coherent sentence in this forum.
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Good luck, this is a huge task! I wish I was on TL so I could help with these things!
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United States4126 Posts
I love you zatic <3
I hope this post contributed to the thread.
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I like where this is going.
> : 3
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So often I'm dreaming about a useful Strategy Forums, but everyday when I wake up, I go on TeamLiquid and notice the same kind of atrocities.
If this purge is to work and turns the brothel of posts spamming it actually is, into a quality Strategy Forum, at least one of my dream will be fulfilled.
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On April 03 2011 02:43 Selkie wrote:
I very strongly like this.
Question: What about not reading the thread, just the OP? For example, I recently made a thread on 15 CC TvP. First few posts asked about a 3 gate contain, and it was quickly refuted that it would not work. Constantly, through the rest of the thread, people were asking about 3 gate contain. Would this sort of behavior also warrant a warning?
In your case you should have edited the OP to meat the popular demand on 3 gate contain question, instead you are arguing to issue warnings to the people you are "trying to help".
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Best. Thing. Ever.
Keep it up. This is why TL is awesome. I just wish some other gaming forums would have a similar policy.
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Good stuff. I'd like to see this as well:
11. name threads or strategies after yourself.
Truly most annoying thing there is.
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