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On January 25 2011 17:39 doothegee wrote:The next foursome that Korean netizens are trying to hype is "김장임박", or "Kim-Jang-Im-Bak". Kim - Kim Min Chul ( Neo.G_Soulkey) Jang - Jang yoOn Chul ( Snow) IM - IM Tae Gyoo ( Brave) Bak - Park Dae Ho ( TurN)
Snow and Soulkey have done fairly well in individual leagues, TurN's done well in PL, but what's with Brave?
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Didn't Brave do pretty well R1 of PL this season? I think that was when this was coined.
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On January 25 2011 18:19 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 17:39 doothegee wrote:The next foursome that Korean netizens are trying to hype is "김장임박", or "Kim-Jang-Im-Bak". Kim - Kim Min Chul ( Neo.G_Soulkey) Jang - Jang yoOn Chul ( Snow) IM - IM Tae Gyoo ( Brave) Bak - Park Dae Ho ( TurN) Snow and Soulkey have done fairly well in individual leagues, TurN's done well in PL, but what's with Brave? None of the new generation have too many accomplishments to be worth hyping them as being the next TBLS. Until TBLS retire or drop out of their prime I don't see new contenders taking titles (at least not more than 1).
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Snow vs Hydra MSL Finals, calling it right here
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On January 25 2011 18:44 ArvickHero wrote: Snow vs Hydra MSL Finals, calling it right here
that would be epic hite battle.
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On January 25 2011 17:55 Xxio wrote: Omg...you just made me think of something. I remember in past interviews (around WCG?) Flash and Jaedong (and maybe Bisu) saying "it would be amazing if we were on the same team etc. but it would never happen."
What if they all decided to join ACE at the same time...!!!
(and obviously it would be even better if Stork joined then as well, but I don't know his relationship with everyone else...Bisu isn't quite friends with JD/Flash either afaik, but Flash/JD "send each other encouraging texts" and whatnot) I remember at the height of TaekBang era they had an interview together and apparently Bisu/Stork actually talk and are pretty friendly too.
God I can't wait for Fantasy to get his shit knocked around.
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As long as TBLS keep up their determination, I can see them keeping the top four spots. I don't get the feeling from interviews that this generation of rookies have the kind of killer confidence and drive that Flash and JD had. But I think we'll still see a lot of turnover in the mid-rank A-teamers which will keep it fresh. I can see a couple of these rookies becoming an entertaining player like Leta or Zero.
On January 25 2011 17:55 Xxio wrote: Omg...you just made me think of something. I remember in past interviews (around WCG?) Flash and Jaedong (and maybe Bisu) saying "it would be amazing if we were on the same team etc. but it would never happen."
What if they all decided to join ACE at the same time...!!!
(and obviously it would be even better if Stork joined then as well, but I don't know his relationship with everyone else...Bisu isn't quite friends with JD/Flash either afaik, but Flash/JD "send each other encouraging texts" and whatnot)
With a lineup like that, they'd never need *sunglasses* to play an ace match.
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Only if there could be a 2v2 Flash/Bisu vs Jaedong/Stork or a 4 player ffa with them in the next allstars.......
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On January 25 2011 17:27 Scorch wrote: Both Stork and Bisu had long periods when they were far away from the top. Only recently did they resurge. It's really only been Flash and Jaedong consistently at the pinnacle of progaming for the past two years.
It's literally impossible for protoss to consistently dominate at the progaming level.
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yea, they give decent maps for toss to play on, stork and bisu win some stuff and the very next season map makers go like "naah we were just kidding, introducing Tears Of The Moon 2.0 SE trololololol"
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I don't know why you think having the same players dominate for some time would kill the scene. There are dominant players in every game/sport. Look at Federer in tennis or Kasparov in chess. If anything, those guys made the game more exciting by guaranteeing great games.
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I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point
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On January 25 2011 20:52 Tazza wrote: I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point Yet despite this, I feel that JD may be the first of them to go(or maybe Stork). He said that he can't promise 5 more years of BW, which may mean that he's having troubles playing so much. That could be just because he's slumping, but JD is mostly known for his mechanical play, which fades with age. Of course, the days of TBLS will not be forever, because they will all have to go eventually. But will they be surpassed before they must go? We'll just have to wait and see.
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On January 25 2011 17:39 doothegee wrote:The next foursome that Korean netizens are trying to hype is "김장임박", or "Kim-Jang-Im-Bak". Kim - Kim Min Chul ( Neo.G_Soulkey) Jang - Jang yoOn Chul ( Snow) IM - IM Tae Gyoo ( Brave) Bak - Park Dae Ho ( TurN)
The list is just wrong ! Where's Jaehoon and Lomo ?.lol
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It is scary how good these four have been, but I don't think it is that special. Look at the top four of other sports. How many tennis finals have not had federor, nadal, roddick, or schoderling (I don't know who the third and fourth best tennis players are, but you get the point)? How many superbowls over the past few years have not had the Patriots, Colts, or Steelers.? How many NBA finals without Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, or Heat? Once you start taking the top four of a sport, you start to accumulate so much of the success that it eclipses everyone else.
you were right about the "4 kings" being BoxeR YellOw NaDa Reach. I think the second group of people you are refering to are the "neo kings" but that was a title only for protosses (Nal_rA Kingdom Anytime (and Reach again maybe, I can't remember).
If Im picking 4 rookies to become the dominnt force over esports, I'm going with Ty, Snow, Neo.G_Soulkey, and Paralyze+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 25 2011 21:05 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:52 Tazza wrote: I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point Yet despite this, I feel that JD may be the first of them to go(or maybe Stork). He said that he can't promise 5 more years of BW, which may mean that he's having troubles playing so much. That could be just because he's slumping... What are you talking about?
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On January 25 2011 22:07 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 21:05 Lightwip wrote:On January 25 2011 20:52 Tazza wrote: I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point Yet despite this, I feel that JD may be the first of them to go(or maybe Stork). He said that he can't promise 5 more years of BW, which may mean that he's having troubles playing so much. That could be just because he's slumping... What are you talking about?
He's only 30-10 (75%) in his last 40 games yo, that's pretty shitty compared to 31-9 for Bisu, and 32-8 for Flash and Stork.
Joking aside I know what he's getting at though, Jaedong has had some trouble against the top level competition, and has played a bunch of games that where a lot sloppier/closer than they should have been, even when he won. But I think the talk of his slump is greatly exaggerated.
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On January 25 2011 21:05 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:52 Tazza wrote: I think its kind of unfair to give Taekbangleessang this much credit because all of these players (except Jaedong) in my opinion have been very subpar at least once in the four years. Kind of like how the great players back then would take turns having dominance. Remember when Flash would just not build enough turrets and lose to 2hatch muta constantly? Remember when Bisu slumped HARD last year in the proleague, and had to take a break? Remember when Stork couldn't win a PvZ to save his life? Jaedong, idk, the only thing I can hold against him is losing to Flash in three consecutive starleagues. But I also remember when Jaedong used to dominate Flash before Flash's amazing run. I think Jaedong imo has been the only player that really hasn't lost such a beat in his entire career. But otherwise, the rest of Taekbanleessang have all had their turns sucking at one point Yet despite this, I feel that JD may be the first of them to go(or maybe Stork). He said that he can't promise 5 more years of BW, which may mean that he's having troubles playing so much. That could be just because he's slumping, but JD is mostly known for his mechanical play, which fades with age. Of course, the days of TBLS will not be forever, because they will all have to go eventually. But will they be surpassed before they must go? We'll just have to wait and see. no one can promise 5 years... they want... or they hope but they cant promise it
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