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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 23 2010 06:02 iamho wrote: Just saw the vod, flash had 21 turrets and was still adding more 9 minutes into the game Flash had 21 turrets ALIVE. That's ignoring the probably 6 or more which got destroyed by Hyuk. | ||
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exterminatus
Korea (North)142 Posts
On December 23 2010 07:02 GeLaar wrote: Lol, it's amazing how Flash's pre-game cockiness nowadays comes back to bite him in the ass. I think player quotes are meant to be cocky, in every game of this seasons OSL they've been similar style... | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
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CoWsGoesMoo
250 Posts
On December 23 2010 07:37 Lucumo wrote: Btw: Looking at Hiya's game, you don't have to wonder anymore why Jaedong played against Light the way he did. You can't just say that based on one game. -_-;; | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
I remember a pl playoff game last season between canata and shine i think where the former made less turrets than this but still got laughed at for way overcommiting. i mean flash is like 20-30 food behind pretty early on and it just stays that way. is this right or is the so called cold really getting to him, i mean this is hyuk yes and he should play safe but this is... the turrets at the rax and then the main minerals, just god. either one looks like it could hold back 3 groups of muta simultaneously. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:01 CoWsGoesMoo wrote: You can't just say that based on one game. -_-;; Yeah, I forgot. Hiya's other games were way better, lol. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:01 CoWsGoesMoo wrote: You can't just say that based on one game. -_-;; we've seen the hiya face 2000000 times in PL already. suffice to say, he's been garbage. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
he was looking so sharp like half a year ago too | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On December 23 2010 07:25 Lonyo wrote: Flash had 21 turrets ALIVE. That's ignoring the probably 6 or more which got destroyed by Hyuk. not only that but once hyuk saw those turrets he just stopped attack with those mutas when flash tried to get out he used the mutas on the crucial marines reducing the opposition for the switch that was prepared all that time i think he would have stood the break if he hadnt pushed with those 12 marines maybe... | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:48 pvzvt wrote: not only that but once hyuk saw those turrets he just stopped attack with those mutas when flash tried to get out he used the mutas on the crucial marines reducing the opposition for the switch that was prepared all that time i think he would have stood the break if he hadnt pushed with those 12 marines maybe... Not at all. If he just sat back, Hyuk would've been able to get defilers(and more macro), since he already had hive. And no matter how you look at it, defilers=gg. Flash basically counted on an all-in that didn't happen so he couldn't stop the incoming macroll. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
u knew there were many mutas since u build many turrets so why get out with marines uncharacteristic of him but than again ,its not the first time, in crucial games he tends to slip ..... the only weakness perhaps i see in him (come on u'r top elo in tvz and havnt lost to no zerg in ages and u had hyuk\!!!!!! 30 % zvt hyuk... 2 hatch muta,,,, flash ....) and that weakness denied him a 1 /soon to be maybe 2 titles shame. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:50 Lightwip wrote: Not at all. If he just sat back, Hyuk would've been able to get defilers(and more macro), since he already had hive. And no matter how you look at it, defilers=gg. Flash basically counted on an all-in that didn't happen so he couldn't stop the incoming macroll. i wasnt suggesting for him to stay back, yes he was in a bad spot but he could have used those marines with the valkyre that came out 20 seconds later . those marines were not for break and he knew they dont stand a chance vs the big stack of mutas why not wait .. but i guess u'r right since he had hive allready it was doomed even holding on that attack would not have been sufficient ,, but on the other hand for some reason after watching his game vs kwanro in the 2 bases vs the map where he won i feel flash can somehow always have a chance so by holding that attack he might have came back to win the game ! from where i saw the game the 12 marines dying to the mutas were the last nail in the coffin. and yes i'm high as hell and well aware i have no skills in writing a paragraph in english  | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:57 Lightwip wrote: ...Hyuk did not play badly in that game. He seriously played that like a Jaedong disguised as a rookie. This. I just saw the game through the vod that was just posted and hyuk played really really well. 2hatch muta comes like 90 seconds quicker than 3 hatch and it could flash off guard slightly. Flash couldn't scout inside hyuk's base with his scv iirc. He also abused the wonderful ability of zerg to tech switch between muta->lurker->muta beautifully. Flash couldn't prepare for both due to losing scvs from the initial mutas and opening 8 rax. If flash even held off that last attack, hyuk would just tech to defiler and that's gg as flash had 0 vessels and 0 tanks. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:57 Lightwip wrote: ...Hyuk did not play badly in that game. He seriously played that like a Jaedong disguised as a rookie. hyuk played very well but i just got used to see flash beating so many better tactics and now losing to a 2 hatch muta like 3 seasons ago with his 14 cc! way to go hyuk but i still dont see him as a contender till i see him beating someone in a bo5 meaning r8 but still way to go 3-0 a group with flash kal and upcoming star +teammate | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:08 pvzvt wrote: hyuk played very well but i just got used to see flash beating so many better tactics and now losing to a 2 hatch muta like 3 seasons ago with his 14 cc! way to go hyuk but i still dont see him as a contender till i see him beating someone in a bo5 meaning r8 but still way to go 3-0 a group with flash kal and upcoming star +teammate Well that's just it. Sometimes it's not a fancy build that has to take down Flash, sometimes you just gotta notice that he can't always defend an attack. It's kinda like Action: when their strength is in lategame, you have to cut them early to make sure they can't outplay you later. Also, this is probably the first game in a while in which you can really say that Flash played badly. Just something to note. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On December 22 2010 10:37 BLinD-RawR wrote: ARRRRGH PEOPLE WHO SAY HYUK>FLASH!!!! if Hyuk beats Flash I will Eat a muffin and I will cry girly tears. So have you eaten a "muffin" and shed some girly tears yet? You have to give us some sort of documentation of proof that you have done these two things as you have promised before the match.... ^_^ On December 22 2010 11:11 alypse wrote: You may wanna fix your sig >< OT, if Flash loses, I'll jump through my windows. + Show Spoiler + which are on first floor. Another interesting moment we must witness! :D | ||
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
On December 22 2010 21:42 Kanil wrote: Yeah, they're using Zerg favored maps to make up for the good Terran maps lately. It's certainly worked, looks like we could have 5 Zergs in the Ro8. Using balanced maps like Fighting Spirit would be nice... But hey, I'm a fanboy. Zerg favored maps are fine. NOOOOOO Not the disaster that was Calm v. Kwanro/Jaedong v. Yellow. The 1st one was just not a super-attractive matchup+ZvZ. The 2nd one was just a roflstomp seeing Jaedong ZvZ against none other than a.....zerg. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:55 pvzvt wrote: and if he decides to build a valkyre why not wait for it before stepping out side with marines u knew there were many mutas since u build many turrets so why get out with marines uncharacteristic of him but than again ,its not the first time, in crucial games he tends to slip ..... the only weakness perhaps i see in him (come on u'r top elo in tvz and havnt lost to no zerg in ages and u had hyuk\!!!!!! 30 % zvt hyuk... 2 hatch muta,,,, flash ....) and that weakness denied him a 1 /soon to be maybe 2 titles shame. He had zero tanks and basically would have had no way to stop the 7 lurkers from just running into the natural unless he poked out slightly to lay some mines. His valk just came too late to help his marines :\ | ||
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