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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 14:35:42
December 22 2010 14:34 GMT
#1521
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would've thought the hydra hype and fantasy "slump" anti-hype would get this way closer.

i was like really scared before the game and pretty much facepalming when the hydras were incoming but it all turned out good :D
ESV Mapmaking!
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 14:52:36
December 22 2010 14:51 GMT
#1522
I would be upset about Flash dropping out of both leagues (I know we have to wait for Paralyze v Kal) except for the fact that even if he does nobody can take away from him what he did last year. In the age of no Bonjwa Flash forced everyone to concede that he was one. He never needs to win another title again, nothing can take it away from him. In my book he's lived up to his potential, so I can't be too upset with him losing here. I think it's foolish to think that he's done, but at the same time, I can't get too upset.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
December 22 2010 15:08 GMT
#1523
I love this day
I'm so happy not becouse Flash lost but becouse HYUK WON and go further!!! Now i dont care about rest of the group, Flash, Kal or Afrotoss passing is equally good
I'm so happy that Fantasy at last broke a curse of ro16 And I was on the brink, i though he wont advance after yesterday
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 15:11:30
December 22 2010 15:11 GMT
#1524
On December 22 2010 22:32 Deekin[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:19 Deekin[ wrote:
Flash out of the MSL and OSL and its not even deep into the tournaments!!!!

Demote him from powerrank now!!!


he'll get demoted after the month is over chill....and he ain't out of the OSL yet jumpy.


Nah I know but its highly likely that he is out. I aint glad over Flashs demise, Im glad over the upsets that are made (people you never thought would win against Flash) and this is making BW more "alive".

Well, that list of people happened to be everybody on earth.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 22 2010 15:15 GMT
#1525
On December 22 2010 23:51 revy wrote:
I would be upset about Flash dropping out of both leagues (I know we have to wait for Paralyze v Kal) except for the fact that even if he does nobody can take away from him what he did last year. In the age of no Bonjwa Flash forced everyone to concede that he was one. He never needs to win another title again, nothing can take it away from him. In my book he's lived up to his potential, so I can't be too upset with him losing here. I think it's foolish to think that he's done, but at the same time, I can't get too upset.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel too after thinking a little about it.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51547 Posts
December 22 2010 15:28 GMT
#1526
On December 23 2010 00:15 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 23:51 revy wrote:
I would be upset about Flash dropping out of both leagues (I know we have to wait for Paralyze v Kal) except for the fact that even if he does nobody can take away from him what he did last year. In the age of no Bonjwa Flash forced everyone to concede that he was one. He never needs to win another title again, nothing can take it away from him. In my book he's lived up to his potential, so I can't be too upset with him losing here. I think it's foolish to think that he's done, but at the same time, I can't get too upset.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel too after thinking a little about it.



revy....thanks for making me feel the same way Holgerious feels.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
December 22 2010 15:38 GMT
#1527
On December 22 2010 16:21 purpose wrote:
What misstake did Stork do? Seem that it cant be so easy for zerg to just nat bust, take out 2 cannons at the exact right timing when templars cant storm and bust in? Where did stork fail to not hold that off?

Overall people often say that pvz is ahard matchup for protoss? Why is it harder for toss then for zerg? I mean it seem that toss has so much that just cant fail early game, then its gg. Like losing your first HT and you are screwed, losing that reaver (andt thats easy) you are screwed, losing the first observer and you are screwed.

Zerg does not seem to hurt as much early since they just spam units and dont really have any super important until defilers are out. but at that stage, losing a defiler is not insta GG.

Zerg seem to have more allin options then toss have........or? Please explain?


His 8 or 9 zealots were completely out of position, allowing 12 lings and 2 lurkers to kill 3 templar and 3 cannons uncontested. From there it would have been stupid for Shine to not try and end the game quickly.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
December 22 2010 15:40 GMT
#1528
Also Flash definitely has a lot of good years left, considering people his age don't start to drop until a while later. He's just gonna have to do some self-reflecting and get back into the mindset he was in a year ago.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 15:49:24
December 22 2010 15:44 GMT
#1529
Lol at Flash. Try building something other than turrets. He killed his own eco with them. You could blame spot abuse but everyone was creaming over Flash spot abusing the shit out of BeSt last game so meh, what goes around comes around. It wasn't even the worst position, that would have been 6.

For the price he put down all those turrets he could have put bunker in key positions and use the extra mins for more rines. The valk was also way too late to make any difference, so i don't understand why he took so long to get it out. He can't blame any surprises happening either, the build coming was obvious considering the positions... you just don't need to build an extra 8 turrets in a big line in front of your paltry 2rax, and you don't need 3 extra in your main min line when rines can cover it.

I'm sure some people are going to come out with the excuses that there was nothing he could do but it was all his fault in that game, no doubt about it. What was his gameplan going midgame with only 2rax, one valk and 2 vultures? but 20 turrets? I guess going to that extreme worked for him in that other game on the twilight map, forget who it was against. But here it just looked downright stupid. He put HIMSELF into an unwinable position against HyuK who simply had to play standard and not over-extend himself.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 22 2010 16:02 GMT
#1530
I haven't seen any excuses at all.

Sometimes Flash loses because he is too greedy, this time he did the opposite. More often than not he does the correct thing though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
December 22 2010 16:19 GMT
#1531
Lol. Just saw the VOD. Was just lol-ing throughout!! Flash is nowhere near as infallible as last year... The fear is GONE!!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 16:45:29
December 22 2010 16:25 GMT
#1532
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hyuk! Had like, two weeks straight to practice for this game (no appearances in team matches lately, I think) so glad he got results out of all that prep time.

On one hand, I want Kal to beat Afrotoss as I like Protoss in general and Kal is pretty cool and worthy of a ro8 spot. On the other hand, I want to believe in the power of the Afro (to deliver the show of a lifetime, of course) to not only trigger the tiebreaker, but to advance out of it. Quite unlikely, as Flash would only need to practice one match up, but we must trust the power of the Afro! I love that SKT players have been involved in knocking Flash out of both leagues (and his OSL survival currently depends on another SKT player). Go rivalry! SKT is best KT!


Also, lolShine. Beats Bisu and Stork in the same individual league yet again (though he has been on quite the hot streak lately). Dammit, Stork. Y u do this?
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
December 22 2010 16:26 GMT
#1533
Shine must be the second most hated players of all time, right after go.go
I dont get it...
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 22 2010 16:39 GMT
#1534
Stork and Hiya disappointed me =(
But HYUK HYUK HYUK HYUK!!!!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 16:54:47
December 22 2010 16:45 GMT
#1535
Note: just watched the other 3 games so read comments now.

On December 22 2010 16:21 purpose wrote:
What misstake did Stork do? Seem that it cant be so easy for zerg to just nat bust, take out 2 cannons at the exact right timing when templars cant storm and bust in? Where did stork fail to not hold that off?

Overall people often say that pvz is ahard matchup for protoss? Why is it harder for toss then for zerg? I mean it seem that toss has so much that just cant fail early game, then its gg. Like losing your first HT and you are screwed, losing that reaver (andt thats easy) you are screwed, losing the first observer and you are screwed.

Zerg does not seem to hurt as much early since they just spam units and dont really have any super important until defilers are out. but at that stage, losing a defiler is not insta GG.

Zerg seem to have more allin options then toss have........or? Please explain?


Shine wasn't all-in at all, quite the opposite infact he appeared to be going for a macro game considering his sunken count at each natural. If it failed he could have taken 4th and just turtled. PvZ is definitely a difficult matchup, but at the same time protoss are making mistakes. Having speedlots run around aimlessly instead of scouting the lurkers moving out would be one of those things... not to mention 5-6 sairs appearing from nowhere that were never used.

Edit: Also Hydra's drop was the worst thing i've seen in a game for ages. Ugh. I understand that after the failed hydra break and failed attempt to stop fantasies 3rd he was basically screwed on that map, but that was a horrible follow-up. Someone please tell me why no progamers will go all muta double-spire upgrades maybe even with a few guards thrown in? Keep enough hydra's enough to make it look like they still need tanks/vults, but then have a hidden muta force to strike out at a certain time. On this kind of map you need it, can't throw units down a choke at tanks or drop onto a block of mines/turrets. Using mass-muta abuses the small space available, rather than mech abusing it against you.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
December 22 2010 16:45 GMT
#1536
On December 23 2010 01:19 SushilS wrote:
Lol. Just saw the VOD. Was just lol-ing throughout!! Flash is nowhere near as infallible as last year... The fear is GONE!!

Link to VOD?
HOLY CHECK!
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
December 22 2010 16:48 GMT
#1537
Yep. Where the VODs?
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
December 22 2010 16:53 GMT
#1538
Its seems that the old Flash is back again! Let the slumping begin!

Game Over, Man! Game Over!
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 17:20:21
December 22 2010 17:20 GMT
#1539
On December 23 2010 01:48 night terrors wrote:
Yep. Where the VODs?

It seems that he watches them right there where I do, too - at sc.plu.cn - this is quickest possible VODs appearance in this world. Though, they are Chinese-dubbed.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 22 2010 17:26 GMT
#1540
On December 23 2010 02:20 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 01:48 night terrors wrote:
Yep. Where the VODs?

It seems that he watches them right there where I do, too - at sc.plu.cn - this is quickest possible VODs appearance in this world. Though, they are Chinese-dubbed.

Sometimes being Chinese pays off!
Time to watch these~
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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