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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:22 Weasel- wrote: Didn't Morrow say back during TSL2 that TvT was his weakest BW matchup? Now suddenly he is the TvT master for SC2... Man i never played terran in BW and now TvT is my strongest and favourite MU . Easier macro and micro makes for a lot of strategic thinking , and i try to emulate Flash and other top BW terran players in SC 2 . | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:18 Plexa wrote: Pretty sure he was talking generically, and I think he's got a really good point. Many "top" Protoss don't have the same level of mechanics as their other race counterparts, particularly because 4gate is so damn strong (or used to be). It's difficult to name a lot of strong protoss players, whereas Terran or Zerg you have no problem. I'm not talking about Huk or White-ra here, I'm talking about the overall race depth. I understood Morrow and this is exactly what I meant - now, I reall do not want to seem like just another protoss-whiner who can't get his act together and blames everything on balance; this is neither the thread nor am I the person for something like that you are perfectly right, when we watch "the best" protoss-players they seem to somehow lack the perfect mechanics we see from terran and imo also zerg; nevertheless my point was, that basic probability theory does not suggest that at all - the probability, that due to some very bizarre reasons protoss-players fail to master the protoss-playstyle, while terran and zerg pros steadily advance is very low; it is much more likely, that the protoss-race in general somehow "prevents" players from developing a smooth mechanical-like playstyle; to put it very simple: right now it seems as if protoss is the race with the most viable openings (opposed to zerg who got...well....one....) but none of them is truly outstanding: like the bio-tech from terran; of course "outstanding" wouldn't mean "better"...simply giving protoss a general 50/50 chance of winning, both opponents being of the same skill; long it seemed as if 4gate into expansion into whatever was the way to go; nowadays terran and zerg can deal with that pretty well, I guess nobody would call a straight-forward 4gate push recommendable any more nowadays; then it seemed (sticking with TvP) that 1 or 2gate into robo for fast immortal + observer was viable; nevertheless I rarely see it succeed anymore, if I watch reps from the korean realm they hardly do it either; again protoss seems to be back at square one now this doesn't automatically means "imbalance" of course and by no means do I want to turn this into a general discussion about the state of protoss; my criticism was pointed towards the fact that morrow oddly seems to think that the fact why protoss-players haven't developed their race by now (they've pretty much stagnated since release) can be explained by the lacking skill of protoss-players; this is what bothers me, because that's just arrogant; he could've at least considered the possibility that this could have something to do with the race itself (subjunctive!); mainly the complete lack of harassment-possibilities until early midgame (phoenix) and the lack of a strong low-food-unit-compositioning (MMM-players manage to beat gateway+immortal steadily nowadays) sorry for the long read, didn't plan on writing that much initially.... | ||
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BingoFace
United States17 Posts
This guy has some nerve... wins one big tournament and thinks he is god. Morrow now has the least respect of any player in the community, in my opinion. Wow LOL. User was warned for this post | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:05 sleepingdog wrote: a) that he thinks he is one level above the other terrans; I mean, that's just wrong....the fact that you have the strongest mirror matchup doesn't automatically say you are the best of your race; If you watched all the games at IEM you can see he was leagues ahead of the other Terrans. All the other Terrans have holes in their games: TLO; not brilliant at macro yet, creative play not 100% polished or effective. (he's still amazing tho) Tarson; He lets his micro slip all the time, far too many reaper mistakes versus Dimaga DeMuslim; Macro slips and he tilts in longer games. He was completely outplayed in the mid/late game by IdrA. Morrow was the most complete player in the tournament. Great micro, great macro, great gamesense and flexible enough to adjust in tournament play. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Morrow is very good at finding things to abuse and abusing them - but it only works so well because the game is still new. When it will get more stable and people learn how to deal with all these abusive strategies, he will not be in the top. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
 You owe me an icecream for that beta zvt practice making u realize u cant let Z expand and not be aggressive until mid/lategame Morrow !  | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Morrow seems really passionate about the game, and I hope he goes far in the SC2 scene. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:56 Random() wrote: When it will get more stable and people learn how to deal with all these abusive strategies, he will not be in the top. That is also what he wants. I think he will come out ahead when things settle down, asia excluded. Did you guys notice how he thinks there are many good terrans (although not as good as him) and mention many names but does not include TLO. Is TLO really that bad at the moment? | ||
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Michiel
Belgium48 Posts
![[image loading]](http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs398.snc4/46085_432026070558_47510610558_4990491_459650_n.jpg) popular guy :D | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
On August 27 2010 18:46 BingoFace wrote: "I won because I was the best player at the event" and "Terran I don't know. I hope I don't sound too arrogant saying this, but it feels they are all a step underneath me" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This guy has some nerve... wins one big tournament and thinks he is god. Morrow now has the least respect of any player in the community, in my opinion. Wow LOL. Well, he did win the event so maybe he were the best player at the event? But I can not figure out which terran you think is at the same level as him at the moment? I think he is correct, and it's not like his claiming he is god or even better than the koreans. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
He played well, don't want to take away credit, but the imbalance helps the skill level. | ||
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
But I can not figure out which terran you think is at the same level as him at the moment? roxkisBratOK - in all honesty, if morrow hadn't replaced him, I'm pretty sure he would've won; although it's redundant to speculate about since he wasn't at the tournament, but considering how awsome his games were right before the event I'm sure he would've gotten far | ||
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mathemagician1986
Germany549 Posts
However, I haven't seen anyone do such aggressive and, above all, continuous(!) reaper harrassment since then. I even checked korean replays, and rarely have I seen a terran who can match morrow in his refined build order, crisp execution, on the spot multitasking and reaper micro. So, congrats morrow! You earned your win. On the plus side: nothing is funnier than mid diamond Terrans who try to copy morrows build and fail spectacularly, because they either keep their reapers alive but build no more scvs after they have 5+ reapers, or they conitnue macoring but keep losing their reapers for nothing :p This 5 rax reaper has done wonders for my win percentage vs terran | ||
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Pippah
Denmark353 Posts
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