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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On April 01 2010 19:20 Holgerius wrote: Holy shit, Baby goes 3-0 against JD and 1-0 against Stork. That's pretty cool. :D JD does not feel like a #2 player at all atm, but neither does anyone else I guess.  3-1 against JD, he got defeated by him in winners league. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On April 01 2010 20:37 SuperArc wrote: Damn if Baby wasn't such a nobody (I mean no special SL records) he would deserve #2 so much. uhh I wouldn't say #2. Baby still has a hell of a lot more to prove. Remember Really? holy shit that guy went from being "bonjwa" to subpar. I still remember when Baby lost to some random Zerg player. Wasn't it Odin? That was right after beating Jaedong 2-0 and then he loses straight up to a random zerg... wtf? So saying Baby deserves #2 is far-fetched | ||
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Redshirt
434 Posts
On April 01 2010 21:20 Silentness wrote: uhh I wouldn't say #2. Baby still has a hell of a lot more to prove. Remember Really? holy shit that guy went from being "bonjwa" to subpar. I still remember when Baby lost to some random Zerg player. Wasn't it Odin? That was right after beating Jaedong 2-0 and then he loses straight up to a random zerg... wtf? So saying Baby deserves #2 is far-fetched People drop random games. Flash lost to M18M and Hyun, both players he shouldn't be losing to. The big difference between Really and Baby is that Really is basically a one matchup wonder, being only really good at TvP. Baby on the other hand is at the very least competent at all three matchups. I really think this month's power rank really depends on how much you value Winner's League performance over individual league performance. Either way, it doesn't matter since this month's power rank is basically all Flash since he's the only player who hasn't completely screwed up hard at all. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
and omg baby, im impressed. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On April 02 2010 02:10 StylishVODs wrote: New elo record for flash lol and omg baby, im impressed. I'm not even surprised by flash's ELO records anymore, he just keeps adding on points every time I look back. | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On April 02 2010 02:05 Plexa wrote: Expect the April PR to be out after the WL finals. With the lack of games in the latter half of the month waiting a few days to get those extra results in makes a lot of sense. But with only a few players participating in WL finals (and not necessarily the best players in all cases) this will skew statistics a bit | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On April 02 2010 04:11 tedster wrote: But with only a few players participating in WL finals (and not necessarily the best players in all cases) this will skew statistics a bit There are 3 last month PR players playing tonight in the OSL and some potential bottom of the list players like Hwasin. | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
On April 02 2010 05:04 DM20 wrote: There are 3 last month PR players playing tonight in the OSL and some potential bottom of the list players like Hwasin. So we're evaluating 3/10 positions using data from April and the rest with data from May? That doesn't really make much sense either. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On April 02 2010 05:42 tedster wrote: So we're evaluating 3/10 positions using data from April and the rest with data from May? That doesn't really make much sense either. No, we actually aren't evaluating anything. Writer of the PR is evaluating all 10 position based on data he feels are most relevant. It does make perfect sense to me. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
You can't just write him off as "a lot to prove." He impressed everyone awhile in GOM and since then he's had a lot to prove. He spent this month proving himself and did it with a reasonably hellish schedule at the end (he had his OSL game vs Stork the DAY before his MSL group where he had to play Jaedong. I honestly would barely expect Flash to come out 3-0 in that situation just due to the bad scheduling, but Baby did it) | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 02 2010 02:05 Plexa wrote: Expect the April PR to be out after the WL finals. With the lack of games in the latter half of the month waiting a few days to get those extra results in makes a lot of sense. I support this decision whole-heartedly. You do good. On April 02 2010 00:28 Redshirt wrote: People drop random games. Flash lost to M18M and Hyun, both players he shouldn't be losing to. The big difference between Really and Baby is that Really is basically a one matchup wonder, being only really good at TvP. Baby on the other hand is at the very least competent at all three matchups. I really think this month's power rank really depends on how much you value Winner's League performance over individual league performance. Either way, it doesn't matter since this month's power rank is basically all Flash since he's the only player who hasn't completely screwed up hard at all. Well, I'm inclined to think that Really got overrated as all hell. He got big time support from both Artosis and Idra right before he went on a terrifying hot streak. Even though I argued against Really being "better than Leta" in that particular thread and believed with a great deal of conviction, even I started having a lot of doubts and I thought maybe I had misjudged. It wasn't just that he was winning. Really is a player with really high apm and sharp mechanics. His macro is top notch. Mainly I just thought that his game sense doesn't stack up to some of the better players. Then Really started busting out creative plays with medics in TvP and his game against Flash wasn't just some random hiccup on behalf of the Ultimate Weapon -- it was a masterful game played by Really. But right now I think my opinion of Really was fairly well pegged. When you play a "standard" macro game against him, I think he's a very difficult opponent to face. But the thing is, Idra and Artosis criticize Leta for being predictably gimmicky, but Really is predictably weak to anything he hasn't practiced against 289047348 times. That's why his TvT and TvZ have so much trouble. TvT often has very divergent midgame play depending on what advantages you are able to procure. Even though strategies tend to be very standard, there's no "standard timing" anything. TvZ these days is also having increasingly divergent midgame as a lot of hyper aggressive strategies for Zerg are becoming more and more prevalent. Flash and Fantasy are clearly better Terrans. I think Light, Sea, Leta, and maybe Baby and SkyHigh are as well. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Baby has way better TvZ, but his TvT is probably, generally weaker and I'd say, despite his win on Stork (EL NINO/GBR), Really has better TvP. Leta has better TvT and TvZ, worse TvP. Light is if you took Really and sacrificed some Macro for the ability to cheese and play TvZ. Same with Sea, really (Sea also has wicked game sense which Light lacks). Fantasy and Flash are definitely better, still, though. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
For that matter, I could probably add Hwasin to my list and I'm tempted to add Hiya, whose TvP is every bit as good as Really's meanwhile his TvT and TvZ are coming together lately. Edit: For the record, Leta is #6 in TvP ELO (and #2 vT, actually "kind of low" on the list vZ, but waaaay above Really). | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Leta's TvZ is only better insomuch as Really's TvZ is just so unusually awful. They both got kicked out of the OSL by mediocre zergs, though (Hyvaa and 815, ick), so maybe it's closer than it looks between those two. Also Sea is much better in a lategame situation than Light (and much better at getting to a lategame situation) entirely because his sense is great. It's partly why his TvP is generally better and his TvT is arguably better, as those games are prone to getting to lategame. Aside from Flash, I don't think I've ever seen a Terran so efficient at clearing up expansions with the perfect number of troops. | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
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