I'm really excited by Calm's play because it looks like ZvZ is about to get A LOT more strategical ... it's already gone from a matchup where you basically expected nothing interesting to happen to one where every game could be potentially very exciting. Now the possibility of +1 timing attack gambits and other plays makes it even better.
Anyone think if Jaedong stalled for +1 carapace from the start he might have had a chance? Or did he not have enough Drones to do that and still pump Mutas, I don't really know ZvZ.
Anyone how can anyone hate JD? This guy is a true monster - welcome to Flashville, population you and Flash. Not even the monster Jaedong could overcome what appears to be a nearly impossible hurdle to overcome in the modern era - schedule overload.
However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.
This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.
If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.
However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.
This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.
If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.
No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote: calm is such a fucking smart player omg
if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy+ mechanics > mechanics
you seriosly think fantasy has no mechanics at all ???.... cmon
I think he means that now that all players have to have a certain degree of mechanics to be competitive, the players showing clever strategies (or with good strategy coaches) are going to set themselves apart.
sucks that Jaedong basically lost in the first 5 minutes in like all the matches today
On Outsider, JD needed to do damage with 9p because 9p << Gas pool. As soon as JD ended up not doing any damage, he lost the game.
On Heartbreak, 12p expand vs 9p, ordinarily is ADV for 12p as long as you cancel your nat hatch asap and just keep pumping lings, block the choke, but I think JD got overconfident and delayed the move, so enemy lings got in, he had to pull drones, and he lost the game there.
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote: Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.
Fantasy Fighting.
I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?
However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.
This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.
If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.
No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.
I think you misinterperated because that's not what I meant at all - perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying was that I agreed with everything Albury-boy said but have to take people's word for it that Calm is smart because I have only ever watched him play ZvZ (other than a couple other games that he lost anyway) and you can't really tell if a player is really clever in that matchup - hiding lings or getting +1 attack are like the only things you can do outside of the very norm and even terrible ZvZ players like HoeJJa will hide lings.
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote: Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote: Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?
i think his mutas firing across the map is more believable than that...