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[MSL] Avalon MSL Semi-Final A - Jaedong vs Calm - Page 26

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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#501
jaedong should not have expanded, i agree.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6339 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#502
On August 13 2009 19:55 JohnBall wrote:
Great series. Calm played very well. That +1 attack upgrade was genius.

Jaedong better win the OSL tomorrow or he would be entering a slump


Alternatively, he would be making it to the top 4 of both leagues, showing consistency and high level performance after carrying a Proleague team to 2nd place over 10 other teams in a year-long season.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#503
On August 13 2009 19:50 o[twist] wrote:
if jd comes back hopefully the idiots will finally stfu

*licks jaedong fan boy tears* mmm delicious

GO CALM
OMG you nasty gurl
hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#504
On August 13 2009 19:57 nayumi wrote:
LOL Calm cried because he LB'd Jaedong!!!!

Now I get it.

hahaha nice one
darod2007
Profile Joined January 2009
United States43 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#505
Go Calm 3-1. Fantasy will do much worse things to Jaedong tomorrow.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#506
On August 13 2009 19:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

Completely agreed. We had a period where Mechanics dominated strategy and now we're entering a new era where strategy is more important than mechanics (since we're all on the same level again)


I agree too, and I look forward to it because I find strategy so much more exciting. It's also an area where shit players like me can emulate the pros more. It should make it all a lot more fun to watch.

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.

One concern for a strat-oriented metagame is some top players that we have grown to love becoming obsolete. I know that's most likely an exaggeration because mechanics still play a huge part (well, mechanics of a certain level are par for the course just like size/strength is in rugby players or height/jumping is in basketballers) but you can't help thinking of how great entertainers like BoxeR and YellOw became somewhat obsolete when people learned how to macro.
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#507
Interesting. As of this series, calm has a higher win percentage in 2009 than jaedong does.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:01:21
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#508
Man, Jaedong should seriously get some sleep. Even looking at him makes me sleepy

Good luck tomorrow!
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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#509
On August 13 2009 19:58 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:50 o[twist] wrote:
if jd comes back hopefully the idiots will finally stfu

*licks jaedong fan boy tears* mmm delicious

GO CALM


calm outplayed him strategically. wtf was he thinking, it looked like effort going for the same 12pool->hatch build that failed so hard in game 2.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#510
Boring Zerg down!

Now instead of post-match analysis/discussion there will be 25 pages of fanboys wailing.

To contribute to the former and avoid the latter, Calm used some kind of hidden lings every game except for game 3 where he did stuck on 1 hatch and did a +1 timing attack. He had a nice shot at winning the first game too with that hidden ling maneuver but as with nearly every other game, he lost all his lings because he dove into the mineral line, probably while looking elsewhere (his multitasking was bad.).

It felt like in even situations Jaedong risked too much on reading Calm's ling/drone count and paid for it dearly, while in bad spots Jaedong didn't try to make many moves to regain a lead. In some games Calm was just good. In others, Jaedong not so good. Can't blame "slump" or broken mentality for all of this. Calm, at least for this MSL run, is not some ordinary Zerg.
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#511
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

<333
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:05:38
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#512
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

Too bad i'm hoping tomorrow's match produces a movie that is rated R-18 for the VIOLENCE!!!
just lurking around...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#513
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.
TranslatorBaa!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#514
On August 13 2009 20:00 jello24 wrote:
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

yup . if JD wins tommorow , thats gonna be an ideal disney movie material !

SWEET !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#515
On August 13 2009 20:00 Ver wrote:
Boring Zerg down!

Now instead of post-match analysis/discussion there will be 25 pages of fanboys wailing.

To contribute to the former and avoid the latter, Calm used some kind of hidden lings every game except for game 3 where he did stuck on 1 hatch and did a +1 timing attack. He had a nice shot at winning the first game too with that hidden ling maneuver but as with nearly every other game, he lost all his lings because he dove into the mineral line, probably while looking elsewhere (his multitasking was bad.).

It felt like in even situations Jaedong risked too much on reading Calm's ling/drone count and paid for it dearly, while in bad spots Jaedong didn't try to make many moves to regain a lead. In some games Calm was just good. In others, Jaedong not so good. Can't blame "slump" or broken mentality for all of this. Calm, at least for this MSL run, is not some ordinary Zerg.

More people saying that than actually happening.
Jaedong
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6120 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#516
On August 13 2009 19:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:55 Highways wrote:
Jaedong wouldve been at the advantage had he put down his hatch inbase rather than expand.

He got too greedy.

wtf?


What?

12 pool is a BO advantage over 9 pool.
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#517
IriS had better win or I'm crying myself to sleep this August. Not a Calm fan at all.
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#518
ROFL @ Calm vs Calm WIN in TLPD XDDD
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#519
feel so painful for JD... his play style is knowing more and more by players... TT
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#520
oh geez , now im only hoping for Iris to win his semi and its going to be a sweet final this year !!!

GO GO GO !!!
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