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jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#521
On August 13 2009 20:01 Sinedd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:00 jello24 wrote:
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

yup . if JD wins tommorow , thats gonna be an ideal disney movie material !

SWEET !!!

too bad Disney movies are for wussies... i'm expecting JD will show up for an all-out war hehehe
just lurking around...
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#522
I am now officially a Calm fan. He played an amazing series today. Poor Jaedong though
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1743 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#523
On August 13 2009 20:02 iNfeRnaL wrote:
ROFL @ Calm vs Calm WIN in TLPD XDDD


lolol Clam vs Clam

GO CLAM
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#524
Beautiful beautiful beautiful play by Calm!

I'm really excited by Calm's play because it looks like ZvZ is about to get A LOT more strategical ... it's already gone from a matchup where you basically expected nothing interesting to happen to one where every game could be potentially very exciting. Now the possibility of +1 timing attack gambits and other plays makes it even better.

Anyone think if Jaedong stalled for +1 carapace from the start he might have had a chance? Or did he not have enough Drones to do that and still pump Mutas, I don't really know ZvZ.

Anyone how can anyone hate JD? This guy is a true monster - welcome to Flashville, population you and Flash. Not even the monster Jaedong could overcome what appears to be a nearly impossible hurdle to overcome in the modern era - schedule overload.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#525
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 11:04 GMT
#526
1 Step Closer to MBC Game's Dream Final of Calm v Kwanro.

But seriously, Iris had better win the other Semi. He would put up a great fight against this rising zerg. DAUM REDEMPTION!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13086 Posts
August 13 2009 11:04 GMT
#527
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy+ mechanics > mechanics


you seriosly think fantasy has no mechanics at all ???.... cmon


Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6122 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#528
After about 2 years at the top of progaming Jaedong starting to slump?

It was a massive run.
#1 Terran hater
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#529
On August 13 2009 20:03 iCCup.deL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.


No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.
TranslatorBaa!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#530
Seriously, this is one of the damn weirdest seasons I've ever witnessed of progaming ever.

I never expected in the world that Calm, + Show Spoiler [OSL SF Spoiler] +
Yarnc
and Iris would make it to the finals of MSL, OSL and GOM respectively.
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:06 GMT
#531
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:06 GMT
#532
On August 13 2009 20:04 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy+ mechanics > mechanics


you seriosly think fantasy has no mechanics at all ???.... cmon




I think he means that now that all players have to have a certain degree of mechanics to be competitive, the players showing clever strategies (or with good strategy coaches) are going to set themselves apart.
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1743 Posts
August 13 2009 11:07 GMT
#533
sucks that Jaedong basically lost in the first 5 minutes in like all the matches today

On Outsider, JD needed to do damage with 9p because 9p << Gas pool. As soon as JD ended up not doing any damage, he lost the game.

On Heartbreak, 12p expand vs 9p, ordinarily is ADV for 12p as long as you cancel your nat hatch asap and just keep pumping lings, block the choke, but I think JD got overconfident and delayed the move, so enemy lings got in, he had to pull drones, and he lost the game there.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
August 13 2009 11:07 GMT
#534
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.
TranslatorBaa!
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#535
Set 2 of Calm vs Calm already on youtube.

hehe

Thanks zatic for great work!
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#536
On August 13 2009 20:05 GTR wrote:
Seriously, this is one of the damn weirdest seasons I've ever witnessed of progaming ever.

I never expected in the world that Calm, + Show Spoiler [OSL SF Spoiler] +
Yarnc
and Iris would make it to the finals of MSL, OSL and GOM respectively.



It's like it some shift in progaming. Only it doesnt make sense, its older players not young blood.

Also JD buddy sleep is essential for human functioning and survival. Try it out.



5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#537
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:09 GMT
#538
On August 13 2009 20:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:03 iCCup.deL wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.


No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.


I think you misinterperated because that's not what I meant at all - perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying was that I agreed with everything Albury-boy said but have to take people's word for it that Calm is smart because I have only ever watched him play ZvZ (other than a couple other games that he lost anyway) and you can't really tell if a player is really clever in that matchup - hiding lings or getting +1 attack are like the only things you can do outside of the very norm and even terrible ZvZ players like HoeJJa will hide lings.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:10:26
August 13 2009 11:10 GMT
#539
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?


LOL Hardcore man, hardcore
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 11:10 GMT
#540
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?

i think his mutas firing across the map is more believable than that...
just lurking around...
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