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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 15 2009 01:14 GMT
#741
Crap, when did ZvZ get so complicated?
Jaedong
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 15 2009 01:17 GMT
#742
All this stuff started to float around the time when they brought back Raid Assault 2 briefly, which was when Jaedong started to repopularize gas first builds, and that Proleague Season or a bit after, there was a sudden explosion in ZvZ builds and theory along with a mindbogglingly fast increase of skill in ZvZ amongst all Zerg progamers.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
August 15 2009 10:43 GMT
#743
I remember that JD once said in an interview that he hopes for leagues with many zvz's, because its his best match-up.
now he has leagues with zvz's and gets eliminated by only zergs.
effort, calm, and hopefully yarnc.

guess since he was mostly playing bo1's in proleague his zvz confidence exploded, but now that he is confronted with planned out build orders and strategies his zvz begins to crumble.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 15 2009 12:30 GMT
#744
Wow sick, I saw the vods and I figured I"d just watch one because it'd be 4 games where Calm wins one and JD rapes him for the remaining 3. Turns out I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
觀過斯知仁矣.
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 15 2009 12:58 GMT
#745
On August 15 2009 19:43 Heimatloser wrote:
I remember that JD once said in an interview that he hopes for leagues with many zvz's, because its his best match-up.
now he has leagues with zvz's and gets eliminated by only zergs.
effort, calm, and hopefully yarnc.

guess since he was mostly playing bo1's in proleague his zvz confidence exploded, but now that he is confronted with planned out build orders and strategies his zvz begins to crumble.

more like.... if you watch OSL semi-final B, which took place 24 hours later, it's obvious that jaedong didn't practice for his semi-final vs Calm at all.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7326 Posts
August 15 2009 13:47 GMT
#746
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 14:23:08
August 15 2009 14:19 GMT
#747
On August 14 2009 21:03 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 19:55 Presony-Boy wrote:
On August 14 2009 05:40 mog87 wrote:
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.

whats wrong with calm winning the msl?
its not like Bo5 vs effort and jaedong is easy (probably the 2 best zvz'ers, and calm beat them both)
dont use the 12 hatch excuse, its effort's fault

calm's road to the finals:
group: 2-0 (beat sea and zero)
Ro16: calm 2-0 forgg
Ro8: calm 3-0 effort
Ro4: calm 3-1 jaedong

if calm plays iris in the finals, and wins(also if loses), then its far from "the worst starleague season ever"

Just curious, what was the worst star league season ever then ? (not saying this one is bad, was awesome in my opinion)

When Luxury won MSL? When July won OSL in 2008?
Enlighten me

wasnt really my point
when he said "the worst starleague season ever", he meant something like this starleague is bad.
my point was that its far from bad, and imo its awesome.
im not comparing starleagues cuz its everyone's own opionion.

if i say that this msl is better than the msl where luxury won, then its my opinion, not a fact.
every starleague is unique in its own way, some might produce more quality games, but arguing which 1 is the worst is pointless imo.
hope u got my point.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 15 2009 15:12 GMT
#748
calm v iris would be epic, iris has one of the best tvzs, calm/s zvt is probably around effort's/JD's level

calm v kwanro would just make me sad, especially because i dont think theres anyway calm could lose, considering his amazing zvz streak
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 21 2009 03:50 GMT
#749
looks like jaedong invented the verb and noun hyuk.

Use as a Verb: JD just got hyuk'ed
Use as a Noun: Calm pulled off a hyuk

love it when JD get X-3'ed
...from the land of imba
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
August 21 2009 04:12 GMT
#750
On August 15 2009 22:47 Sadist wrote:
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.


That is an ignorant post if I've ever seen one.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 21 2009 04:45 GMT
#751
On August 15 2009 22:47 Sadist wrote:
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.


Doesn't matter. When you're playing ZvT all day and not studying up on your opponent and practicing the specific maps you're playing, you're going to be in a rather uncomfortable zone when you switch to different maps and a COMPLETELY different MU than what you were practicing.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 21 2009 06:20 GMT
#752
On August 21 2009 12:50 dybydx wrote:
looks like jaedong invented the verb and noun hyuk.

Use as a Verb: JD just got hyuk'ed
Use as a Noun: Calm pulled off a hyuk

love it when JD get X-3'ed

How in the world did JD invent it?

That makes no sense whatsoever.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 21 2009 22:55 GMT
#753
cause hyuk is garbage class zerg and by loosing to hyuk on proleague, JD made hyuk a recognized household name
...from the land of imba
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