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[MSL] Avalon MSL Semi-Final A - Jaedong vs Calm - Page 36

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dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 22:11 GMT
#701
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 22:12 GMT
#702
On August 14 2009 06:57 dl2agon wrote:
Is he really in a slump? The past 10 games he played were against tough opponents in Finals situations. His opponents just outplayed him. There are many players out there who lost 7 out of their last 10, but we do call them slumping?

But then again, this is JD. And JD gets treated differently. Hope he whoops fantasy tonight.

PS- only reason calm 3:0 effort was because effort 12 hatch/pool 3 games in a row. zzz


Yes, because he isn't performing like he used to. He used to dominate people, even in a finals situation. Now he's dropping games to people he should DEFINITELY beat, especially in his "godmode" matchup.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 13 2009 22:13 GMT
#703
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?
Jaedong
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
August 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#704
It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours. Even then it remains to be seen how big the slump is.

It looks to me that Jadong is just running out of steam. He was exhausted a few weeks ago and his schedule hasn't gotten any easier in the meantime. Running deep into GOM+MSL+OSL+PL has just worn him out.

If he can get past Fanstasy he'll have time to recover.
The Problem is that he has to get pas Fantasy.

Hope the Dong is sleeping well.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2009 22:33 GMT
#705
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 13 2009 22:52 GMT
#706
Calm is such a beast, I love how he is thinking outside of the box with such aggressive builds/moves. Guess I have to add another zerg player to my "must watch every game" list.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 22:56:42
August 13 2009 22:56 GMT
#707
Jaedong to KT please! :D. Haha. Flash and JD can support each other in PL and dominate the individuals together. Flash + JD + ForGG + Lux + Violet... a man can dream right?

And honestly, as a Flash fan, slump gets thrown around way too much. Players preform well and don't preform well. JD is being overworked, but I don't doubt his supreme skill. You can't win every league and sometimes when you're in all of them at once with no backup and all the fans breathing down your back, you can't win any of them. Even if he loses to Fantasy tonight (I hope he does so Yarnc can face Fantasy although in a vacuum I would want JD to win), there's no doubt in my mind who will bounce back and be dominate in next season. Fantasy may do well in individuals, but he's never been a PL star, which to me, and I think many fans, is an important sign of dominance in todays SC scene. I'm not saying that to bash on Fantasy, I'm just saying to me it's clear that even if JD drops everything this season, I don't doubt his skill. Xellos is in a slump, ForGG is in a slump, Boxer is in a slump. These guys play so far from their original level of skill. JD is not in a slump.. no player preforms well after being in GOM, PL Finals, MSL and OSL all at once and losing important games in GOM to an upstart ZvZ'er on a tear, and PL Finals twice to one of the most strategic players in the history of the game and with a BO loss in a ZvZ. JD can't carry the world on his shoulders and no player can.. he's overworked. It's really that simple.

So keep your head high JD fans. I say this without really being much of one, but he'll be fine regardless of beating or losing to Fantasy (although I think his chances of winning are much higher than people are acting like)...
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 13 2009 23:20 GMT
#708
Time for JD to come to army?
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 23:36 GMT
#709
On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz


unless he goes to SKT
Hi.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 13 2009 23:44 GMT
#710
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

When he turns 26, his skills will inevitably worsen due to old age.

It's been shown time and time again that age does affect people's abilities to play Starcraft.

Assuming he/Starcraft lasts that long, he WILL get into a slump sooner or later. The question is how soon or how late.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
August 13 2009 23:47 GMT
#711
On August 14 2009 08:44 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

When he turns 26, his skills will inevitably worsen due to old age.

It's been shown time and time again that age does affect people's abilities to play Starcraft.

Assuming he/Starcraft lasts that long, he WILL get into a slump sooner or later. The question is how soon or how late.



more like playing a computer game for 12 hrs a day that you know you cant play forever isnt as appealing anymore.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 14 2009 00:15 GMT
#712
On August 14 2009 08:36 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz


unless he goes to SKT

You mean KT, where careers go die.
Writerptrk
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 14 2009 00:25 GMT
#713
Holy shit so much fanboyism in this thread its amazing.
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khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
August 14 2009 00:59 GMT
#714
Jaedong's been playing ZvZ on these maps all season long and with his mechanics it was quite possible that he would 3-0 Calm right off the bat without any training at all. ZvT/ZvP is another story, cause you have to be prepared for many different and I mean DIFFERENT strats, all kinds of proxy, bio, mech, wraiths, valks, reaver sair, 1 gate tech, goon push. That's the real challenge. But ZvZ ? It's the matchup players, especially Jaedong, got figured out the most. It's always lings and then mutas in varying proportions, you just have to pay attention to pool and spire timings. What more is there for Jaedong to train ? muta micro ? puuleeasseeeee... Jaedong got simply outsmarted today, no amount of additional training would change that. There was no mismicro nor noobish mistakes, it was Calm's decision making that won him the series. Muta fake in set 2, sniping two mutas with his first scourge and hiding lings. It seems like the builds were crafted perfectly to snipe Jaedong, but hey, it's up to the underdog to prepare something special for a series like this. Calm won fair and square
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
August 14 2009 01:02 GMT
#715
haha more_minerals
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 14 2009 01:14 GMT
#716
On August 14 2009 07:30 Eeevil wrote:
(1) It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours.
(2) Hope the Dong is sleeping well.


(1) Actually losing a couple of semis and a final doesn't necessarily mean a progamer is slumping. Slump is only appropriate to address a player who is losing a lot of games consecutively. So the answer to that question can only be known next season. As far as this season is concerned, Jaedong has been a beast since Day 1 but he just didn't have a happy ending (that is if he's losing to Fantasy today).

(2) I'm sure he was not. Someone seriously needs to slap this boy in the face telling him that cutting up a huge amount of sleep doesn't help winning at all. Of course before important games he might want to sleep a couple of hours less to prepare better. I don't blame him for that, because we all do it. But he has been cutting his sleep since the beginning of this season for fuck's sake. Now it's already too late to tell him to get some sleep, because there's only semi (and final) left and it's virtually impossible for one to sleep peacefully before such games. Coaches and managers should really plan their members' sleeping schedule better. If the players insist then just fucking kill off those hamsters and there goes the power.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
August 14 2009 01:20 GMT
#717
Well....that was unexpected. O.o

Never thought Jaedong would lose in a Bo5 ZvZ. At least Jaedong didn't lose by 12 hatching.
Anyways, Calm played smarter with his +1 Attack Ups/Hiding Lings. Kudos to him.

Hoping for an Iris v. Calm MSL Final. Will be interesting to watch in my opinion.

Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8141 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 01:48:15
August 14 2009 01:43 GMT
#718
There are so many posts in this thread where people are talking about how JD should sleep/rest more. Did he give an interview saying he didn't sleep much the last few days or is everyone here just totally assuming that because otherwise JD would NEVER lose right?

speaking of interviews did anyone translate the winner's interview yet? I would love to read it :D
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
August 14 2009 01:54 GMT
#719
lol prediction was exactly the opposite of results
fuck lag
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 14 2009 01:56 GMT
#720
Um, yeah, a short while ago he said in an interview that he was feeling very tired lately and cutting sleep and that was even before starleague semifinals and proleague finals.
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