On August 14 2009 06:57 dl2agon wrote:
Is he really in a slump? The past 10 games he played were against tough opponents in Finals situations. His opponents just outplayed him. There are many players out there who lost 7 out of their last 10, but we do call them slumping?

But then again, this is JD. And JD gets treated differently. Hope he whoops fantasy tonight.

PS- only reason calm 3:0 effort was because effort 12 hatch/pool 3 games in a row. zzz

Yes, because he isn't performing like he used to. He used to dominate people, even in a finals situation. Now he's dropping games to people he should DEFINITELY beat, especially in his "godmode" matchup.

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

August 13 2009 22:13 GMT

#703

On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:

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If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

Eeevil

Netherlands359 Posts

August 13 2009 22:30 GMT

#704

It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours. Even then it remains to be seen how big the slump is.

It looks to me that Jadong is just running out of steam. He was exhausted a few weeks ago and his schedule hasn't gotten any easier in the meantime. Running deep into GOM+MSL+OSL+PL has just worn him out.

If he can get past Fanstasy he'll have time to recover.
The Problem is that he has to get pas Fantasy.

Hope the Dong is sleeping well.

Jayme

United States5866 Posts

August 13 2009 22:33 GMT

#705

On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz

Pufftrees

2449 Posts

August 13 2009 22:52 GMT

#706

Calm is such a beast, I love how he is thinking outside of the box with such aggressive builds/moves. Guess I have to add another zerg player to my "must watch every game" list.

Vasoline73

United States7816 Posts

August 13 2009 22:56 GMT

#707

Jaedong to KT please! :D. Haha. Flash and JD can support each other in PL and dominate the individuals together. Flash + JD + ForGG + Lux + Violet... a man can dream right?

And honestly, as a Flash fan, slump gets thrown around way too much. Players preform well and don't preform well. JD is being overworked, but I don't doubt his supreme skill. You can't win every league and sometimes when you're in all of them at once with no backup and all the fans breathing down your back, you can't win any of them. Even if he loses to Fantasy tonight (I hope he does so Yarnc can face Fantasy although in a vacuum I would want JD to win), there's no doubt in my mind who will bounce back and be dominate in next season. Fantasy may do well in individuals, but he's never been a PL star, which to me, and I think many fans, is an important sign of dominance in todays SC scene. I'm not saying that to bash on Fantasy, I'm just saying to me it's clear that even if JD drops everything this season, I don't doubt his skill. Xellos is in a slump, ForGG is in a slump, Boxer is in a slump. These guys play so far from their original level of skill. JD is not in a slump.. no player preforms well after being in GOM, PL Finals, MSL and OSL all at once and losing important games in GOM to an upstart ZvZ'er on a tear, and PL Finals twice to one of the most strategic players in the history of the game and with a BO loss in a ZvZ. JD can't carry the world on his shoulders and no player can.. he's overworked. It's really that simple.

So keep your head high JD fans. I say this without really being much of one, but he'll be fine regardless of beating or losing to Fantasy (although I think his chances of winning are much higher than people are acting like)...

Count9

China10928 Posts

August 13 2009 23:20 GMT

#708

Time for JD to come to army?

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

August 13 2009 23:36 GMT

#709

On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:

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That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz

unless he goes to SKT

Kyo Yuy

United States1286 Posts

August 13 2009 23:44 GMT

#710

On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

When he turns 26, his skills will inevitably worsen due to old age.

It's been shown time and time again that age does affect people's abilities to play Starcraft.

Assuming he/Starcraft lasts that long, he WILL get into a slump sooner or later. The question is how soon or how late.

Sadist

United States7291 Posts

August 13 2009 23:47 GMT

#711

On August 14 2009 08:44 Kyo Yuy wrote:

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more like playing a computer game for 12 hrs a day that you know you cant play forever isnt as appealing anymore.

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

August 14 2009 00:15 GMT

#712

On August 14 2009 08:36 d(O.o)a wrote:

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unless he goes to SKT

You mean KT, where careers go die.

SC2Phoenix

Canada2814 Posts

August 14 2009 00:25 GMT

#713

Holy shit so much fanboyism in this thread its amazing.

khersai

Poland366 Posts

August 14 2009 00:59 GMT

#714

Jaedong's been playing ZvZ on these maps all season long and with his mechanics it was quite possible that he would 3-0 Calm right off the bat without any training at all. ZvT/ZvP is another story, cause you have to be prepared for many different and I mean DIFFERENT strats, all kinds of proxy, bio, mech, wraiths, valks, reaver sair, 1 gate tech, goon push. That's the real challenge. But ZvZ ? It's the matchup players, especially Jaedong, got figured out the most. It's always lings and then mutas in varying proportions, you just have to pay attention to pool and spire timings. What more is there for Jaedong to train ? muta micro ? puuleeasseeeee... Jaedong got simply outsmarted today, no amount of additional training would change that. There was no mismicro nor noobish mistakes, it was Calm's decision making that won him the series. Muta fake in set 2, sniping two mutas with his first scourge and hiding lings. It seems like the builds were crafted perfectly to snipe Jaedong, but hey, it's up to the underdog to prepare something special for a series like this. Calm won fair and square

blue_arrow

1971 Posts

August 14 2009 01:02 GMT

#715

haha more_minerals

nayumi

Australia6499 Posts

August 14 2009 01:14 GMT

#716

On August 14 2009 07:30 Eeevil wrote:
(1) It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours.
(2) Hope the Dong is sleeping well.

(1) Actually losing a couple of semis and a final doesn't necessarily mean a progamer is slumping. Slump is only appropriate to address a player who is losing a lot of games consecutively. So the answer to that question can only be known next season. As far as this season is concerned, Jaedong has been a beast since Day 1 but he just didn't have a happy ending (that is if he's losing to Fantasy today).

(2) I'm sure he was not. Someone seriously needs to slap this boy in the face telling him that cutting up a huge amount of sleep doesn't help winning at all. Of course before important games he might want to sleep a couple of hours less to prepare better. I don't blame him for that, because we all do it. But he has been cutting his sleep since the beginning of this season for fuck's sake. Now it's already too late to tell him to get some sleep, because there's only semi (and final) left and it's virtually impossible for one to sleep peacefully before such games. Coaches and managers should really plan their members' sleeping schedule better. If the players insist then just fucking kill off those hamsters and there goes the power.

Apex

United States7227 Posts

August 14 2009 01:20 GMT

#717

Well....that was unexpected. O.o

Never thought Jaedong would lose in a Bo5 ZvZ. At least Jaedong didn't lose by 12 hatching.
Anyways, Calm played smarter with his +1 Attack Ups/Hiding Lings. Kudos to him.

Hoping for an Iris v. Calm MSL Final. Will be interesting to watch in my opinion.

Ideas

United States8142 Posts

August 14 2009 01:43 GMT

#718

There are so many posts in this thread where people are talking about how JD should sleep/rest more. Did he give an interview saying he didn't sleep much the last few days or is everyone here just totally assuming that because otherwise JD would NEVER lose right?

speaking of interviews did anyone translate the winner's interview yet? I would love to read it :D

ZidaneTribal

United States2800 Posts

August 14 2009 01:54 GMT

#719

lol prediction was exactly the opposite of results

QuakerOats

United States1024 Posts

August 14 2009 01:56 GMT

#720

Um, yeah, a short while ago he said in an interview that he was feeling very tired lately and cutting sleep and that was even before starleague semifinals and proleague finals.