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[MSL] Avalon MSL Semi-Final A - Jaedong vs Calm - Page 34

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8087 Posts
August 13 2009 18:14 GMT
#661
On August 13 2009 19:28 GTR wrote:
omg
they call him brain zerg for a reason



Is this what his nickname is now? fitting :D
Free Palestine
levelzx
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Poland174 Posts
August 13 2009 18:18 GMT
#662
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.
Favourite Protoss - Stork, Favourite Terran - Flash, Favourite Zerg - Calm
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#663
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:38:38
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#664
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 18:41 GMT
#665
On August 14 2009 03:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...



Yes but keep in mind Effort-Iris is a inter-team battle which have always held wonky results and Effort didn't practice for the match at all. (Not to take away from Iris or anything just saying effort was practicing for more important things)

Then we also have the fact Iris will have to practice for both TvZ and TvT because he'll be playing flash in the Gom finals and Iris has already shown that he will practice for Gom.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#666
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:42:57
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#667
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#668
Calm? Really? Are you serious?

Iris vs Jaedong dream finals ruined. Argh...

This is what happens when you're as good as Jaedong - you end up playing way too many games than you can possibly prepare for. It's a curse.
Oh, my eSports
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#669
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 19:11 GMT
#670
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
August 13 2009 19:13 GMT
#671
On August 14 2009 03:42 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<





he was being facetious. no one wants to give calm credit itt
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
August 13 2009 19:23 GMT
#672
calm winning = luck/other player was tired
jd winning = just being the better player

seriously, calm won, stop making excuses
calm won today by outsmarting jd, and u need more than luck to beat jd in a Bo5 series (especially since its zvz)
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 13 2009 19:24 GMT
#673
Jaedong..you must stop winning your first game
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 13 2009 19:28 GMT
#674
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


ugh ~_~ chojja was a ZvZ beast back in the days
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 13 2009 19:31 GMT
#675
oh wow was calm crying after the games? damn, grats to him, must've practiced his ass off

poor jd though, my heart goes out to him.

it really better not be calm vs kwanro finals
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#676
Anyone notice how Calm had a perfect strategy for an overpool vs 12 pool, even on maps with long rush distances? If his strategy is viable, i.e. not hard counters, then I suspect we'll see a change from more eco BOs in ZvZ into mostly 9 pool and variants.
Jaedong
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#677
On August 14 2009 04:11 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?


No. People love to throw around the word "luck" as an excuse as to why people lose, but they hardly know the definition of it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
August 13 2009 19:39 GMT
#678
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#679
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?

I don't think so. People usually post stuff like this when they're mad, but he doesn't seem to be angry at all, so I think it's just a troll (or a parody).
Jaedong
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#680
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?


it was serious alright he just doesn't want to give calm credit because he is a jaedong fanboy.
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