• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:10
CEST 23:10
KST 06:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play2Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon45.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes3Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Grayware Tech Services: Professional Help for Cryp ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10041 users

[MSL] Avalon MSL Semi-Final A - Jaedong vs Calm - Page 34

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 38 Next All
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8173 Posts
August 13 2009 18:14 GMT
#661
On August 13 2009 19:28 GTR wrote:
omg
they call him brain zerg for a reason



Is this what his nickname is now? fitting :D
Free Palestine
levelzx
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Poland174 Posts
August 13 2009 18:18 GMT
#662
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.
Favourite Protoss - Stork, Favourite Terran - Flash, Favourite Zerg - Calm
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#663
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:38:38
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#664
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 18:41 GMT
#665
On August 14 2009 03:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...



Yes but keep in mind Effort-Iris is a inter-team battle which have always held wonky results and Effort didn't practice for the match at all. (Not to take away from Iris or anything just saying effort was practicing for more important things)

Then we also have the fact Iris will have to practice for both TvZ and TvT because he'll be playing flash in the Gom finals and Iris has already shown that he will practice for Gom.
Hi.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#666
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:42:57
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#667
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<
Hi.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#668
Calm? Really? Are you serious?

Iris vs Jaedong dream finals ruined. Argh...

This is what happens when you're as good as Jaedong - you end up playing way too many games than you can possibly prepare for. It's a curse.
Oh, my eSports
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#669
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 19:11 GMT
#670
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
August 13 2009 19:13 GMT
#671
On August 14 2009 03:42 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<





he was being facetious. no one wants to give calm credit itt
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
August 13 2009 19:23 GMT
#672
calm winning = luck/other player was tired
jd winning = just being the better player

seriously, calm won, stop making excuses
calm won today by outsmarting jd, and u need more than luck to beat jd in a Bo5 series (especially since its zvz)
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 13 2009 19:24 GMT
#673
Jaedong..you must stop winning your first game
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 13 2009 19:28 GMT
#674
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


ugh ~_~ chojja was a ZvZ beast back in the days
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 13 2009 19:31 GMT
#675
oh wow was calm crying after the games? damn, grats to him, must've practiced his ass off

poor jd though, my heart goes out to him.

it really better not be calm vs kwanro finals
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#676
Anyone notice how Calm had a perfect strategy for an overpool vs 12 pool, even on maps with long rush distances? If his strategy is viable, i.e. not hard counters, then I suspect we'll see a change from more eco BOs in ZvZ into mostly 9 pool and variants.
Jaedong
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#677
On August 14 2009 04:11 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?


No. People love to throw around the word "luck" as an excuse as to why people lose, but they hardly know the definition of it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
August 13 2009 19:39 GMT
#678
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?
Liquipedia
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#679
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?

I don't think so. People usually post stuff like this when they're mad, but he doesn't seem to be angry at all, so I think it's just a troll (or a parody).
Jaedong
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#680
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?


it was serious alright he just doesn't want to give calm credit because he is a jaedong fanboy.
Hi.
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 38 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Bombastic Starleague
20:00
GosuLeague Ro16 - Swiss
ZZZero.O102
LiquipediaDiscussion
RSL Revival
17:00
S6 Europe Server Qualifier
SteadfastSC533
TKL 307
IndyStarCraft 144
EnkiAlexander 76
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 736
SteadfastSC 533
TKL 298
IndyStarCraft 144
Railgan 115
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 102
Purpose 7
Bale 5
Dota 2
Gorgc5240
singsing3058
XcaliburYe114
Counter-Strike
fl0m1529
Super Smash Bros
PPMD57
Other Games
summit1g7142
Grubby3747
FrodaN975
shahzam594
Beastyqt564
mouzStarbuck248
C9.Mang0210
UpATreeSC50
JuggernautJason25
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream326
Other Games
BasetradeTV206
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 18
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 28
• RayReign 10
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie864
• Shiphtur360
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
2h 50m
Kung Fu Cup
13h 50m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
CrankTV Team League
1d 13h
Bombastic Starleague
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-29
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.