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[MSL] Avalon MSL Semi-Final A - Jaedong vs Calm

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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:57:44
August 13 2009 08:59 GMT
#1
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13 August 2009, 18:30 KST, 2:30 PST, 11:30 CET, Channel MBC


Today's Games:
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(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
Set 1: Carthage 3
Set 2: Byzantium 3
Set 3: Outsider
Set 4: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 5: Carthage 3




Predictions
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(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
LOL like always 3-1


Results
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(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
Both Players do Fast expand but Calm hide his 6 lings... somehow JD with good drone micro only lost 2 drones and snipes Calm's drones with just 2 lings, Calm goes for a ling attack before the mutas but with micro again JD doenst lose anything... after a muta battle with a lot of scourges of Calm he just get owned by JD superior muta micro.
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
Calm does a overpool and JD opens with 12 Pool/gas, JD takes the expo but he isnt mining gas (just got ling speed and Lair upgrade), Calm do a 2nd hatch on his main and start producing lings. JD goes for Spore colony to secure his nat/main, calm get his mutas and go for the attack with muta/lings with more zerlings than JD and with better micro (help from his muta to) he destroys the spores of JD's nat and then proced to attack with lings the JD's Spire. JD got 3 mutas and 2 pair of scourges, he goes for Drone snipe but he is intercepted by Calm's mutas... GG Calm wins
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
Jaedong goes 9 pool and Calm 9 gas 9 pool (or something like that), JD gets ling speed and stop mining gas... he goes for early ling presure but with good defence and with the help of a sunken calm hold it, Calm get his lair faster than JD and start his spire, with that timing advantage he gets 6 scourges and send them to JD main... JD's mutas pop and he lose 2 to the scourges... then both players start to build mutas. JD expands and Calm start his +1 Attack upgrade... when the +1 Attack finish he attacks JD nat, big muta fight with Calm winning... JD loses all of his mutas and then GG.
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
To tired to write but it was like the 3rd game... calm gets +1 attack and rapes JD mutas.
(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
GG Calm wins 3-1 and goes to the MSL Finals against the winner of Kwanro/Iris
LOL at my predictions >.<
INB4 JD Slump threads



Recommended Games
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Game 3 - Outsider
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(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)Calm
Jaedong goes 9 pool and Calm 9 gas 9 pool (or something like that), JD gets ling speed and stop mining gas... he goes for early ling presure but with good defence and with the help of a sunken calm hold it, Calm get his lair faster than JD and start his spire, with that timing advantage he gets 6 scourges and send them to JD main... JD's mutas pop and he lose 2 to the scourges... then both players start to build mutas. JD expands and Calm start his +1 Attack upgrade... when the +1 Attack finish he attacks JD nat, big muta fight with Calm winning... JD loses all of his mutas and then GG.



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radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 09:43:31
August 13 2009 08:59 GMT
#2
1st

User was warned for this post.
Flash returns...
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 08:59 GMT
#3
Go Go LEE JAE DONG!
Flash returns...
sanji_
Profile Joined June 2009
United States16 Posts
August 13 2009 09:03 GMT
#4
The Yaoyuan stream only works for me with www.. Strange, maybe just an issue with Chrome..
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 09:03 GMT
#5
Hmm, let me try to make an accurate prediction..

Thinking..

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong 3-0
Brood War loyalist
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 09:08:02
August 13 2009 09:03 GMT
#6
On August 13 2009 17:59 radadaundandan wrote:
1st

ban

gonna stream http://tv.zeroboy.net/ most likely
oh god jaedong fanboys
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 09:04 GMT
#7
Does anybody think Jaedong practised much for this match?

Tomorrow night is a big game, and here he can rely on Mutalisks Micro to win him the game. This maybe Calm's chance to employ sneaky zergling attacks?

I still think Jaedong has this 3-0 but.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 09:08:14
August 13 2009 09:07 GMT
#8
the DONG

and yeah I doubt jaedong practiced for this much

On August 13 2009 18:03 Kentor wrote:
gonna stream http://tv.zeroboy.net/ most likely


Kentor, why are you so awesome?
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Space_C0wb0y
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany41 Posts
August 13 2009 09:10 GMT
#9
Hm, when it comes down to it, I think Jaedong will give a higher priority to his match tomorrow, because it's OSL and because it's Fantasy. Nevertheless I think he's get what it takes to do this. + Show Spoiler +
Also, a win today would certainly boost his confidence after that horrible last WE.
hsp!
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany3 Posts
August 13 2009 09:10 GMT
#10
Yeah, if Calm doesn't pull off some really sneaky and creative stuff I guess Jaedong will take it 3-0. As someone already wrote in a newspost: You don't forget how to play ZvZ overnight
You never get a second chance to make a first impression
kaliax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States48 Posts
August 13 2009 09:14 GMT
#11
I have a feeling this is either going to be an extreme humiliation of Calm, or a complete breakdown of JD.

He's either going to lay down some serious anger from last week's disaster and take it all out on Calm as a mental warmup for tomorrow, or he's going to just lose confidence and fall apart. Considering his ZvZ record, I think the former is much much more likely.
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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 13 2009 09:15 GMT
#12
I think since jaedong will concentrate on the match tomorrow calm has a very real chance of taking this, I predict 3-1 calm.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
August 13 2009 09:20 GMT
#13
3-0. Called it.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:21 GMT
#14
Whatever the trauma Jaedong may or may not be feeling after his recent woes, it's almost impossible to imagine him losing a best of 5 ZvZ to Calm.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 09:21 GMT
#15
If anything I think his lost to Fantasy made him train harder.

But he runs the risk of exhausting himself. Players like Flash, Leta, Bisu are all resting to a certain degree now, while Jaedong will not have off season break. This will sure catch up with him in the coming weeks/months.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 09:22 GMT
#16
Calm is absolutely capable of taking a game off Jaedong, but winning a BO5? ...I have immense faith in Calm, but this is pretty much the worst spot he could ever find himself in.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 13 2009 09:24 GMT
#17
calm is going to flog this nooblet

jd is going to be guttered
HEY MEYT
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
August 13 2009 09:25 GMT
#18
It's zvz. Anything can happen.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:26 GMT
#19
Calm should pull off a Hyuk

or an Orion

At least try.
POGGERS
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 09:28:07
August 13 2009 09:27 GMT
#20
Hope JD wins 3-0 or 3-1... to improve his morale for tomorrow.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 13 2009 09:28 GMT
#21
Worst case Scenario for me: JD practices solely for tommorow's game banking on his JvZ to get him past Calm. Calm manages to pull an upset (Which I think he is capable of doing) and Jaedong loses to Fantasy tomorrow anyway due to some magnificent builds/cheeses.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 09:30 GMT
#22
On August 13 2009 18:26 konadora wrote:
Calm should pull off a Hyuk

or an Orion

At least try.

Do you think he can pull of 3 Hyuk's?
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 09:30 GMT
#23
The last time Jaedong had a 4 losing streak was before his first OSL gold. He is currently on a 3 loss streak. Will he get that 4th loss
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 09:30 GMT
#24
ZvZ semi-finals are kinda meh : /
Should be no problem for Jaedong.
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
August 13 2009 09:30 GMT
#25
Jaedong will win this so we can have a Jaedong vs Iris finals.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 09:34 GMT
#26
I wonder if Calm will be calm during the series.
Flash returns...
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:34 GMT
#27
good luck Jaedong gogogogo!
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 09:35 GMT
#28
김윤환 Calm vs 이제동 Nervous
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 09:35 GMT
#29
Brain ?!?
Flash returns...
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:35 GMT
#30
On August 13 2009 18:34 radadaundandan wrote:
I wonder if Calm will be calm during the series.

I wonder if Jaedong will be jaded during the series.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:36 GMT
#31
On August 13 2009 18:30 DIMJkE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 18:26 konadora wrote:
Calm should pull off a Hyuk

or an Orion

At least try.

Do you think he can pull of 3 Hyuk's?

He can pull off a Hyuk
Then an Orion
Finally an Effort
POGGERS
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 09:36 GMT
#32
Calm has some pretty impressive winning ratio - 75%
Flash returns...
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 13 2009 09:37 GMT
#33
this season's MSL/OSL ro4's have been so bad

ZvZ

ZvZ

ZvZ

TvZ

something like that anyways
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 09:37 GMT
#34
On August 13 2009 18:36 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 18:30 DIMJkE wrote:
On August 13 2009 18:26 konadora wrote:
Calm should pull off a Hyuk

or an Orion

At least try.

Do you think he can pull of 3 Hyuk's?

He can pull off a Hyuk
Then an Orion
Finally an Effort

Haha hopefully for your sake a Non-SPL GOM effort. D:
Sazchu
Profile Joined April 2007
Iceland489 Posts
August 13 2009 09:38 GMT
#35
Calm(brain??) to pull off a 3-2 win \o//
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 09:38 GMT
#36
this better be good, i am falling asleep here
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 13 2009 09:39 GMT
#37
Honestly, as long as Jaedong just varies his builds, I don't see Calm take this.

Calm's ZvZ mechanics is very average. And Jaedong really should just use overpool/12 pool type safe builds and just rely on superior skills. Why Jaedong would ever use 12 hatch against anyone but the top ZvZers I just don't understand.
Meh
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 09:39 GMT
#38
ROFL @ Kentor making fun of JD sad face xD
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:39 GMT
#39
wtf whalemen
POGGERS
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 09:40 GMT
#40
On August 13 2009 18:37 lazz wrote:
this season's MSL/OSL ro4's have been so bad

ZvZ

TvZ

ZvZ

TvZ

something like that anyways

GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:41 GMT
#41
The king is coming!
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
August 13 2009 09:41 GMT
#42
somebody stream it cmon

and gl jead
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#43
ghostwriter, u gonna be translating?!??!!??!
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#44
whats +7 for JD and +21 for Calm means?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#45
alright comeon ... lets get this past 10 pages asap!
Reason obeys itself....and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#46
http://tv.zeroboy.net/

Stream?
ô¿ô
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#47
Jaedpong looking more peaked than piqued today.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#48
I'd love seeing either of them in the final, woot ^_^
TranslatorBaa!
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#49
Prediction: 3-1 Lee Jae Dong.

GL + HF + GG :D
historymajor
Profile Joined July 2009
Austria11 Posts
August 13 2009 09:43 GMT
#50
HYUK instructed CALM ... watch out !
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 13 2009 09:44 GMT
#51
i wish livestream had a slow chat option (can only send a message every 30 seconds or so)

as much as i love the chat it just gets way too spammy once a critical mass of Jaedong fans is reached.
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 09:44 GMT
#52
On August 13 2009 18:43 isbunk wrote:
ghostwriter, u gonna be translating?!??!!??!
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 13 2009 09:44 GMT
#53
prediction 3-0 calm

gg
HEY MEYT
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 09:44 GMT
#54
Oh no Jaedong has tired face on not killer face.
日本語が分かりますか
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 09:45 GMT
#55
OH GOD THE TENSION IS KILLING ME
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 09:45 GMT
#56
Go Jaedong!

I believe in you
Brood War loyalist
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:45 GMT
#57
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:46 GMT
#58
http://www.livestream.com/konadora
POGGERS
Mah Buckit!
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland474 Posts
August 13 2009 09:46 GMT
#59
[image loading]


Starcraft? Epic Grimness.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#60
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#61
Wow Jaedong looks really tired. Seems like he just wants to play and get it over with. Win or lose.
ô¿ô
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#62
Jaedong looks terrible . He looks tired and sick ugh..

I imagine he's been running himself ragged since PL.
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#63
Calm looks really calm while JD seems a bit nervous.
Flash returns...
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#64
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darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
August 13 2009 09:47 GMT
#65
gogo Calm send that Bonjwa-Wannabe to deeps of Hell.
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:48 GMT
#66
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pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
August 13 2009 09:48 GMT
#67
there is something wrong with my internet?none of the streams works for me.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:48 GMT
#68
On August 13 2009 18:47 boesthius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 18:46 Mah Buckit! wrote:
[image loading]



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


YOU MADE MY DAY XD
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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
August 13 2009 09:48 GMT
#69
Set 1: Carthage 3
Jeadong - Red - 5 o'clock
Calm - Yellow - 7 o'clock

GLHF
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 09:49 GMT
#70
calm with the rabbit rush !
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#71
Mirror builds so far
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#72
only 1 #1 zerg, LEE JAE DONG
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#73
both going 12pool expo, jaedong has won (mirror builds!)
Zerg Bunker
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#74
finally we get to see a ZvZ where they players are going for the exact same build
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#75
lol he really looks terrible, Jead looks like a zombie ><
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 09:50 GMT
#76
looks like mirror builds by all logic JD should take this easy
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 13 2009 09:51 GMT
#77
CALM IS DOING HIDE LINGS TRICK AGAIN
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:51 GMT
#78
Oh ho Calm so sneaky
POGGERS
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:51 GMT
#79
FAILL.. .DD
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:51 GMT
#80
Wow JD nice drone micro lol
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:52 GMT
#81
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sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 09:52 GMT
#82
Calm is a smart player, I like him.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:52 GMT
#83
On August 13 2009 18:51 konadora wrote:
Wow JD nice drone micro lol


Yeah but I guess he is too late now about money TT
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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
August 13 2009 09:52 GMT
#84
Appears (Z)Jaedong is one drone up with identical spire timing.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
August 13 2009 09:53 GMT
#85
JD incredibly sneaky drone sniping
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:53 GMT
#86
WOW Jaedong... fast fast fast
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#87
Calm lost all his lings

JD saved most of his

and lost only 1 drone
POGGERS
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#88
pretty exciting game, jeadong is in the lead i think
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#89
Wow, such an action packed first game
Brood War loyalist
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#90
Really sweet defense by JD.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#91
JD snipes an OL. Seems to have a decent advantage now
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 09:54 GMT
#92
Jaedong has a solid lead after that nice 2nd wave defense.
日本語が分かりますか
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#93
GREAT JD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#94
--- Nuked ---
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#95
oh my, Jaedong is good. gg
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#96
That was solid play from JD
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#97
I'd say that was pretty imba
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#98
Go fuck yourself Calm!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#99
Jaedong looks like he's playing in his sleep and still makes a convincing win, amazing.
日本語が分かりますか
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
August 13 2009 09:55 GMT
#100
Jaedong wins the first game and seems to be taking a short nap between games.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#101
GG Jaedong up 1-0 after some beautiful muta micro
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#102
well thats it Calm has no chance in mirror builds he iis praying now JD to 12 hatch 3 times and he 9 pool 3 times
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#103
Jaedong looking bored.
Brood War loyalist
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#104
lame
HEY MEYT
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#105
Calm should of sent all his units to attack Jaedong's expansion instead of splitting his units.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#106
Jaedong genius defense and devastating attack.
perfecting the art of five pool forever
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 09:57:03
August 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#107
GG.

With very sneaky drone harassement, and excellent defense versus (Z)Calm's hidden lings(Z)Jaedong is up 1-0
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
August 13 2009 09:57 GMT
#108
On August 13 2009 18:55 3nickma wrote:
Go fuck yourself Calm!


Lol what? What's that for?
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 09:57 GMT
#109
quit stalling calm
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 09:57 GMT
#110
Mirror build.. so Jaedong won
Brood War loyalist
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 09:57 GMT
#111
--- Nuked ---
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#112
Jesus, he's back.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#113
Calm against wasted a perfectly good offense attacking Jaedong's natural. Idiot should of attacked Jaedong's expansion. He paid the price, GG.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#114
On August 13 2009 18:55 3nickma wrote:
Go fuck yourself Calm!

POGGERS
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#115
Plz no commercials, lets gogo!
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#116
lol 1-0 ... JD's mutas simply have no equal, zerg wise.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#117
He didn't even get to a 4 game loss streak; he's been so close to it recently.
ô¿ô
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#118
JD totally pulled a maverick in that last game

"I'll hit the breaks, he'll fly right by"

Like 50 scourge whizzed by.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#119
Damn, halfway through that game, i realized yet again what I had forgotten
Jaedong plays like a god
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#120
On August 13 2009 18:57 soudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 18:55 3nickma wrote:
Go fuck yourself Calm!


Lol what? What's that for?


Nothing personal. Just a lot of built up angry JD rage that had to be released because of his last lacking games performance
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 09:59 GMT
#121
On August 13 2009 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm against wasted a perfectly good offense attacking Jaedong's natural. Idiot should of attacked Jaedong's expansion. He paid the price, GG.


You mean JD's main? Isnt the expo he took called the natural?

o.0
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 09:59 GMT
#122
On August 13 2009 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm against wasted a perfectly good offense attacking Jaedong's natural. Idiot should of attacked Jaedong's expansion. He paid the price, GG.

wut
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 09:59 GMT
#123
oh man i thought JD lost that on the first ling battle... great play to come back with those drone kills...

and where did Calm's mutas go? i thought he had air superiority with muta + scourge...
just lurking around...
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 09:59 GMT
#124
On August 13 2009 18:58 keV. wrote:
JD totally pulled a maverick in that last game

"I'll hit the breaks, he'll fly right by"

Like 50 scourge whizzed by.

Haha nice Top Gun reference, I totally agree with that
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 13 2009 10:00 GMT
#125
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:01 GMT
#126
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:01 GMT
#127
By "natural" do you mean "main base"? It's usually taken to mean "natural expansion".
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:01 GMT
#128
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.


Seriously, like a bunch of Jon Snows up in this thread.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:04:34
August 13 2009 10:01 GMT
#129
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.



I'm just analyzying, all of us are, were not pros obviously. I have respect for both players, although I'm a bit biased against Jaedong.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:02 GMT
#130
On August 13 2009 19:00 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.

So he split his forces to attack both the natural and the natural?
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
August 13 2009 10:02 GMT
#131
i wonder why i can't connect to the livestream...
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 13 2009 10:03 GMT
#132
On August 13 2009 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:00 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.

So he split his forces to attack both the natural and the natural?


oops I meant his natural expansion and his natural base.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 13 2009 10:03 GMT
#133
JD just keep mirroring him... or 9 / 12 pool all the time xD
In the woods, there lurks..
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
August 13 2009 10:03 GMT
#134
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.


Well its not that they are giving tips, they are just stating their opinions :/. Most of the time, any player that observes can find mistakes that the player that is playing cannot see even if they were progamers.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 10:03 GMT
#135
My laptop just beeped for no reason so I'm awake now.
Jaedong
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:03 GMT
#136
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 13 2009 10:04 GMT
#137
On August 13 2009 19:03 Avidkeystamper wrote:
My laptop just beeped for no reason so I'm awake now.


'twas the spirit of jd.
ô¿ô
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#138
On August 13 2009 19:03 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:00 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.

So he split his forces to attack both the natural and the natural?


oops I meant his natural expansion and his natural base.

I think you need to do a little bit of research on the terminology... But anyway, I predict Jaedong to win 3-0. Seems like he's well on his way there.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#139
On August 13 2009 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:00 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.

So he split his forces to attack both the natural and the natural?


I think Calm had enough lings to kill the nat hatch on his second attack.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:05:58
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#140
On August 13 2009 19:03 MannerMan wrote:
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...


Natural means their main base and an expansion is an expansion right?
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#141
On August 13 2009 19:03 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:02 Shikyo wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:00 FireGuyX wrote:
Calm had the game when his first offense was at Jaedong's natural, but instead split his units to attack both the expansion and the natural, dumb mistake that was.

So he split his forces to attack both the natural and the natural?


oops I meant his natural expansion and his natural base.

you need to get your terms right
POGGERS
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#142
Natural means natural expansion. Main means main base, the starting location.
日本語が分かりますか
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:05 GMT
#143
On August 13 2009 19:05 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:03 MannerMan wrote:
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...


Natural means their main base, and an expansion is an expansion right?

Wrong
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#144
On August 13 2009 19:02 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
i wonder why i can't connect to the livestream...

Connection problem and/or browser freezes?
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pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#145
On August 13 2009 19:02 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
i wonder why i can't connect to the livestream...


Me2..thats the first time like this happening.
And everything else seems fine,just the livestream...
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#146
On August 13 2009 19:05 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:03 MannerMan wrote:
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...


Natural means their main base, and an expansion is an expansion right?

Natural means their Natural expansion, main base = main
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#147
"The brain of Zerg"
.....
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#148
On August 13 2009 19:05 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:03 MannerMan wrote:
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...


Natural means their main base and an expansion is an expansion right?


Swing and a miss.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#149
"the brain of zerg" too bad brain is not that important in zvz like flawless muta micro
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:06 GMT
#150
--- Nuked ---
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:07 GMT
#151
They probably mean the overmind. BUT IM NO EXPERT.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 10:07 GMT
#152
Jaedong red again lol.
Brood War loyalist
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
August 13 2009 10:07 GMT
#153
Ok nvm finally connected...weird.
Thannks kone nee-san
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:07 GMT
#154
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.

What do you recommend then? That we stop trying to identify what players did wrong? Just watch without wondering what the fuck is going on?

Are you able to beat every player in this thread right now who "suck at Starcraft and know nothing" in Bo5s then?
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 13 2009 10:08 GMT
#155
On August 13 2009 19:06 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:05 FireGuyX wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:03 MannerMan wrote:
I love how the guy second guessing progamers doesn't even know what natural means...


Natural means their main base, and an expansion is an expansion right?

Natural means their Natural expansion, main base = main



Okay I got it, sorry I'm new at this.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:08 GMT
#156
here we go, calm with overpool, jd with 12pool
beep boop
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:09:28
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#157
Haha Jaedong 12pools again. He finally realized that if he 12pools every game in zvz he'd probably win.

Calm better 5pool next game.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#158
calm 9 pool speed JD 12 pool expo
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#159
On August 13 2009 19:07 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.

What do you recommend then? That we stop trying to identify what players did wrong? Just watch without wondering what the fuck is going on?

Are you able to beat every player in this thread right now who "suck at Starcraft and know nothing" in Bo5s then?

I said that to those few guys which said "idiot should have done this/that".
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#160
jds gonna 12pool ZvZ for the rest of his life... good desicion imo
Zerg Bunker
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#161
WTF JD LOSES A LING
POGGERS
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#162
another push coming from Calm
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
August 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#163
Lol this thread already has more pages than the other ZvZ semi
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:10 GMT
#164
JD gonna make spores?
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:10 GMT
#165
On August 13 2009 19:09 ssystem wrote:
Lol this thread already has more pages than the other ZvZ semi

I expect 100 pages tomorrow!
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:10 GMT
#166
On August 13 2009 19:09 ssystem wrote:
Lol this thread already has more pages than the other ZvZ semi


I guess because of Imba Oz.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:10:57
August 13 2009 10:10 GMT
#167
On August 13 2009 19:09 ssystem wrote:
Lol this thread already has more pages than the other ZvZ semi

Coz Jaedong plays :\
Wooooooow I'm a MARINE !
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:11:39
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#168
Idra lookalike lol
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:12:42
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#169
On August 13 2009 19:09 sAw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:07 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.

What do you recommend then? That we stop trying to identify what players did wrong? Just watch without wondering what the fuck is going on?

Are you able to beat every player in this thread right now who "suck at Starcraft and know nothing" in Bo5s then?

I said that to those few guys which said "idiot should have done this/that".


I didn't mean they were dumb, obviously they're not dumb, I'm really rooting for Calm
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#170
Way to capitalize on your air time white guy. NOT.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:11:38
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#171
On August 13 2009 19:10 GoSu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:09 ssystem wrote:
Lol this thread already has more pages than the other ZvZ semi


I guess because of Imba Oz.

Imba Oz if you spell Oz with J and a D
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#172
JD turtle!
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:11 GMT
#173
On August 13 2009 19:09 sAw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:07 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:01 sAw wrote:
Guys if you are so smart and skilled, why don't you go to Korea and beat pros? Don't give tips to professional players, you suck at Starcraft and know nothing.

What do you recommend then? That we stop trying to identify what players did wrong? Just watch without wondering what the fuck is going on?

Are you able to beat every player in this thread right now who "suck at Starcraft and know nothing" in Bo5s then?

I said that to those few guys which said "idiot should have done this/that".

Please clarify that in your first post, not your defense. Thanks.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 10:12 GMT
#174
Thanks heaps for OP updates and LR.
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MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:12 GMT
#175
that is many zerglings
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:12 GMT
#176
bad for JD XD
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dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#177
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#178
nice bo from calm few muta and mass ling
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#179
What? No lings, no spire, no nothing?
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:13:30
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#180
Man I hate that build.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#181
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#182
perfect attack by Calm, killing JD's lings coming in from the main with his mutas and attacking the nat with his own lings
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#183
JD just lost his natural, spire now under attack by lings,

LOSES SPIRE!!!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#184
har har
One ring, to rule them all!
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#185
Oh my god JD just got outplayed in a zvz. Wow.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#186
Oh shit I thought Jaedong was white?
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#187
OMG
HEY MEYT
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#188
JD underestimating the enemy
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:14 GMT
#189
GG frOm JD
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#190
Calm plays so fucking smart
POGGERS
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#191
--- Nuked ---
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:16:55
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#192
Nice build by calm there . Jaedong tried to get a permanent eco advantage but didn't happen .
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#193
On August 13 2009 19:14 dl2agon wrote:
JD underestimating the enemy

What? It was the correct response.
Jaedong
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#194
GG from JD, wow that was a total turn around.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#195
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#196
On August 13 2009 19:13 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz

not exactly...
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#197
Summary: Jaedong 12pool expo, Calm 9pool straight into lair. Jaedong makes 4 spores, and Calm overruns him with mass lings.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#198
*orgasm*
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#199
dont get it why when you have eco advantage 12 pool zerg never makes sunk on expo and always loses to this kind of attack
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:15 GMT
#200
On August 13 2009 19:15 3nickma wrote:
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...


I hope you get banned ASAP, first insulting calm now insulting Jaedong, what's wrong with you idiot
beep boop
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#201
On August 13 2009 19:15 3nickma wrote:
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...

Haha, you are really pushing it.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:16:56
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#202
Calm played pretty smart this game (second match). Not bad at all.
Brood War loyalist
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#203
On August 13 2009 19:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:14 dl2agon wrote:
JD underestimating the enemy

What? It was the correct response.


What do you mean? Pretty sure he knew there was a shitload of lings, but didnt throw down any sort of ground defense, with the exception of the 4 drones.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#204
On August 13 2009 19:15 3nickma wrote:
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...

dude...wtf man
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#205
On August 13 2009 18:55 3nickma wrote:
Go fuck yourself Calm!


On August 13 2009 19:15 3nickma wrote:
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...



lol what's wrong with you?
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#206
yeah should have built sunken with spore
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#207
4 spores that early was excessive, Calm could and did only hatch 3-4 muta immediately meaning 1 spore per base would have been adequate to start, adding another at each base shortly after. That is why Jaedong couldn't hold off the lings despite having an earlier 2nd hatch.
日本語が分かりますか
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#208
Like what was that? He got speed before lair, and didn't do anything with his 2 v 1 hatch advantage? Why get speed, then? And then he kept making drones although he saw his opponent had more lings than him when he was on top of the ramp.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
August 13 2009 10:16 GMT
#209
On August 13 2009 18:55 3nickma wrote:
Go fuck yourself Calm!


On August 13 2009 19:15 3nickma wrote:
Goddamnit Jaedong you stupid fuck...

...

someone with moderator powers please tell 3nickma that this isn't appropriate
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#210
What was JD's buld just now ? Was it like 12-pool then hatch ?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#211
What's up with jaedong immortal 80% ZvZ? I mean he's still awesome but this worries me. Seems he hasn't got the power to just control every single aspect of the game. He often gets soo greedy and loses.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#212
Calm is a very strategic and smart player, glad to see him taking this game. He outplayed Jaedong totally. And honestly speaking it was the first time I saw JD with 2 spores and a sunken in his main in a ZvZ game :D
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Sazchu
Profile Joined April 2007
Iceland489 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#213
yay well done calm \o/ the lings are cute when taking down those spores
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#214
omg what the hell was that... worst JvZ game ive seen from him after Effort tore him a new a-hole... holy cow that was horrible...
just lurking around...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#215
Calm!! <33
TranslatorBaa!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#216
Hidden 2nd hatch in main. Calm is one sneaky fellow
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#217
On August 13 2009 19:15 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:13 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz

not exactly...

was refering 1st game -_-
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#218
On August 13 2009 19:16 o[twist] wrote:
yeah should have built sunken with spore


This.

He even waited to morph it. I thought for sure that was going to be a sunk, and then just went O_O when I saw it was another spore.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#219
JD getting the JD treatment here.

Calm for the next two.
Commentator
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#220
I think we're all kinda wondering what JD's train of thought there was.

I hope he explains that in a post game interview or something >.>
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#221
ye, he gets too greedy
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#222
Spire placement kinda sucked, I wonder if he could have put it in his drone line somewhere.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#223
On August 13 2009 19:17 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:15 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz

not exactly...

was refering 1st game -_-

Ironic that Jaedong loses just as you said that though
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#224
People should give Calm more credit, he played very very well. It wasn't "JD screwed up so he lost," it was "Calm outplayed JD."
TranslatorBaa!
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
August 13 2009 10:18 GMT
#225
This is calm, 2nd most feared zerg among korean progamers, finally showing some gg
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:19 GMT
#226
On August 13 2009 19:18 GTR wrote:
JD getting the JD treatment here.

Calm for the next two.


Please no.
sAviOr...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:19 GMT
#227
On August 13 2009 19:17 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
What's up with jaedong immortal 80% ZvZ? I mean he's still awesome but this worries me. Seems he hasn't got the power to just control every single aspect of the game. He often gets soo greedy and loses.

Maybe after the first game he thought Calm was ez. And the fact that on Byzantium III there is a high chance of two players being placed at two opposite corners --> you can always go for eco first ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:19 GMT
#228
When JD wins, it's completely normal, but when he loses, everyone goes "horrible, what's wrong with him, slump" xD
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#229
On August 13 2009 19:19 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:17 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
What's up with jaedong immortal 80% ZvZ? I mean he's still awesome but this worries me. Seems he hasn't got the power to just control every single aspect of the game. He often gets soo greedy and loses.

Maybe after the first game he thought Calm was ez. And the fact that on Byzantium III there is a high chance of two players being placed at two opposite corners --> you can always go for eco first ...

1/3 like always?
Jaedong
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#230
On August 13 2009 19:19 sAw wrote:
When JD wins, it's completely normal, but when he loses, everyone goes "horrible, what's wrong with him, slump" xD


Oh the woes of being the top player alive
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#231
gogo Calm.. you deserve to be in the final.. C'moon guys we should cheer for the underdog here
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#232
On August 13 2009 19:18 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:17 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:15 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz

not exactly...

was refering 1st game -_-

Ironic that Jaedong loses just as you said that though

don't underestimate power of my jinx
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#233
On August 13 2009 19:19 sAw wrote:
When JD wins, it's completely normal, but when he loses, everyone goes "horrible, what's wrong with him, slump" xD


he's gotta carry his team to a proleague finals, win OSL and MSL for it to be acceptable

losing GOM means the season cannot be a success
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 13 2009 10:20 GMT
#234
On August 13 2009 19:18 Trumpet wrote:
I think we're all kinda wondering what JD's train of thought there was.

I hope he explains that in a post game interview or something >.>


only winner gets interviewed

come on calm, slump that JD!
Bisu... ;-(
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#235
JD lost because he pumped drones instead of lings at his natural.

Set3 GL HF
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#236
nice, JD scouting right direction, calm scouting wrong direction
beep boop
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#237
JD's ling control in the deciding battle was uncharacteristically bad. He created a bottleneck by putting his evo there yet it was Calm who was the one taking advantage of it.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#238
On August 13 2009 19:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People should give Calm more credit, he played very very well. It wasn't "JD screwed up so he lost," it was "Calm outplayed JD."

Calm outplayed JD by making him go too greedy or what? JD lost cause he made 2 spores instead of 1spore+sunken and because he used his 2hatch advantage to only pump drones
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#239
JD looks really really tired. :/
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:21 GMT
#240
WHAT IS THIS? JD 9POOLS?
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 10:22 GMT
#241
yes, JD on the offense
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:23 GMT
#242
Imba push from JD !!!! GOGO ANGRY MAN!!!!
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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:24 GMT
#243
good thing that Calm got his sunken that early, that really saved him
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
August 13 2009 10:24 GMT
#244
At some point during the past two or three months, ZvZ improbably evolved as a matchup. Newer stars like Effort and Calm have helped jump start the matchup and all of a sudden Jaedong is no longer invincible.

You can sense it by the way players play against JD now ... they no longer play like they already lost (see the Hyuk game in PL finals, a game that we would have expected Jaedong's opponent to blow in the past).

JD's still the best ZvZ player for sure, but the gap has closed. I'm willing to bet he never hits 80% ZvZ ever again.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:24 GMT
#245
JD has a handful of lings in Calms base, calm puts up a sunken and JD backs away.

JD's running his lings around, spire half done and ahead of Calms's spire.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#246
scourge first from calm might be a big mistake
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#247
Got a random question. If I change my icon now from Terran (Marine) to a Zerg, will I have drone or a zergling? o.o Because I don't wanna lose it ^^
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#248
bad day for jaedong lolol
Commentator
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#249
WTF?

JAEDONG LOSES 2 MUTAS TO 4 SCOURGES
POGGERS
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#250
nice scourge use
Bisu... ;-(
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:25 GMT
#251
pimp scourge, not a mistake dude
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:26 GMT
#252
Oh my god those scourges. JD was up 2 drones, that might have evened up the game.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 13 2009 10:26 GMT
#253
holy shit smart decision by calm to make scourge first
Writerptrk
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:26 GMT
#254
On August 13 2009 19:25 MannerMan wrote:
scourge first from calm might be a big mistake

but they got there just before the mutas hatched and JD mismicrod
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:26 GMT
#255
Calm probably waiting for an update ...
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:27 GMT
#256
JD is expanding, both are keeping their mutas around their own bases
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
August 13 2009 10:27 GMT
#257
If jaedong attacks right now, he will lose.
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:27 GMT
#258
10 mutas out for calm
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:27 GMT
#259
if calm dont attack soon he gonna lose
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:27 GMT
#260
lol calm doing nothing
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#261
hope calm nails this next timing!
Writerptrk
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#262
Calm +1 attack
Jaedong no upgrade
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#263
+1 weapons won calm the battle
Commentator
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#264
MUTA DiFFERENCE IS TOO BIG

JAEDONG GONNA LOSE THIS

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#265
omg
they call him brain zerg for a reason
Commentator
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#266
christ upgrade christ jesus
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#267
OMG
JD loses all his mutas
GG!!!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#268
As much as i dislike calm, that was a sick timing build.
sAviOr...
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#269
wow :/
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#270
I don't get jaedong at all.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#271
Update owns ...
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#272
if jaedong loses a zvz Bo5 I think the world is going to implode...
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#273
Calm why so sexy?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#274
Wow calm

So fucking smart
POGGERS
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#275
Calm is goooooood
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#276
JD about to cry .... TT
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#277
SICK MUTA MICROOOOOOO CALMMMMMM
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#278
What. a. timing.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#279
Those Scourge really turned things around. FUCKK.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#280
inb4jaedongisslumpingthreadsand50pagediscussions
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#281
--- Nuked ---
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:29 GMT
#282
On August 13 2009 19:29 integral wrote:
if jaedong loses a zvz Bo5 I think the world is going to implode...


start of the jaedong slump imo.
Commentator
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#283
oh my god
Jaedong looks...vunerable
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#284
man, Calm is on fire at the moment.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#285
lol is that Tosky in the booth with Jaedong?
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#286
On August 13 2009 19:30 DoX.) wrote:
oh my god
Jaedong looks...vunerable


he looks tired.
gdcrimson
Profile Joined January 2009
New Zealand148 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#287
Hopefully Jaedong will realise that looking after himself rather than training for god knows how many hours a day might help his performance... Just from the way he looks you can tell he's in no state to perform at the very high level he can.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
August 13 2009 10:30 GMT
#288
On August 13 2009 19:30 o3.power91 wrote:
lol is that Tosky in the booth with Jaedong?


Isn't ToSky Calm's broseph?
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#289
O_O my god who would've thought Jaedong would be down by two
Writerptrk
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#290
If I didn't know Calm was green, then I would have 100% thought it was Jaedong
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#291
I fear for Jaedong...
Brood War loyalist
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#292
Practicing vs T for tomorrow too much?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5576 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#293
Wow, HUGE victory from Calm with that fleet of +1 mutas. I thought he was fucked when I saw Jaedong's scourge reserve.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#294
calm will win
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#295
On August 13 2009 19:20 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:18 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:17 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:15 o3.power91 wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 Itachii wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:13 dmfg wrote:
Can anyone give a quick summary of the game so far please?

jaedong playing zvz

not exactly...

was refering 1st game -_-

Ironic that Jaedong loses just as you said that though

don't underestimate power of my jinx

This is your fault -_-
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#296
WHAT? I just got back from the shower and JD lost another game?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#297
CAAAAAAAAAAAALM!!!!
TranslatorBaa!
Fallen_arK
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States91 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#298
Absolutely amazing play by Calm.
Go Calm!
Life is precious, yet insignificant
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#299
On August 13 2009 19:30 DM20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:30 DoX.) wrote:
oh my god
Jaedong looks...vunerable


he looks tired.

He always looks tired, he's been looking tired for I don't know how long. I think that's just the way he looks when he loses, it's probably him thinking about the next match.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#300
whats the score now? just woke up
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#301
jaedong was doing great with the lings should have upgraded i guess. the scourge were really a big deal
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#302
Nice timing by Calm, i still think Jadeong is going to win tho~
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#303
On August 13 2009 19:31 iamho wrote:
whats the score now? just woke up

Calm 2:1 Jaedong
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
darod2007
Profile Joined January 2009
United States43 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#304
Go Calm! Beat Jaedong and destroy his mental state for Fantasy tomorrow.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#305
JD is fine imo.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#306
what the hell could you expect from jaedong. he's been in the PL playoffs, MSL and OSL. His schedule is just too tough for him.

but come an JD I BELIVE!
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#307
wow JD lost a muta battle... i give up on this now... hope he takes fantasy tomorrow although that's looking weak now...
just lurking around...
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#308
Calm is playing really well, he obviously prepared really well for this.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 13 2009 10:32 GMT
#309
On August 13 2009 19:32 jello24 wrote:
wow JD lost a muta battle... i give up on this now... hope he takes fantasy tomorrow although that's looking weak now...


He lost a +1 muta battle.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:33 GMT
#310
On August 13 2009 19:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:30 o3.power91 wrote:
lol is that Tosky in the booth with Jaedong?


Isn't ToSky Calm's broseph?

Yeah. thats why i was asking . The guy in jaedong's booth looked like tosky.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 13 2009 10:33 GMT
#311
kwanro vs calm for finals ..
Bisu... ;-(
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 10:33 GMT
#312
Soooooo glad I stayed up for this.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:34 GMT
#313
Thought JD was gonna take it with that initial ling wave. Then calm won handily with great ling + drone micro
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:34 GMT
#314
That attack upgrade did wonders.

And wow @ replay, Calm's ling micro was really good @_@
TranslatorBaa!
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
August 13 2009 10:35 GMT
#315
Jaedong out of the Power Rank in this month please
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:38:21
August 13 2009 10:35 GMT
#316
lol JD is throwing this MSL away and put his 100% effort on taking a revenge against fantasy and being the 2nd person to win 2 OSL back-to-back ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:36 GMT
#317
come on jaedong. come on.
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:36 GMT
#318
On August 13 2009 19:35 nayumi wrote:
lol JD is throwing this MSL away and put his 100% effort on taking a revenging against fantasy and being the 2nd person to win 2 OSL back-to-back ...

haha, not even close

I do think he wants the OSL more though
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:36 GMT
#319
On August 13 2009 19:35 nayumi wrote:
lol JD is throwing this MSL away and put his 100% effort on taking a revenging against fantasy and being the 2nd person to win 2 OSL back-to-back ...

yeah, yeah sure. Dude, wake up :D
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:37 GMT
#320
On August 13 2009 19:32 darod2007 wrote:
Go Calm! Beat Jaedong and destroy his mental state for Fantasy tomorrow.
lol i think its already completed destroyed
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:37 GMT
#321
I hope JD takes the msl so fantasy can have the osl
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
August 13 2009 10:37 GMT
#322
This is the first time I've seen Jaedong lose so many games in such a short time interval.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:38:26
August 13 2009 10:37 GMT
#323
On August 13 2009 19:32 jello24 wrote:
wow JD lost a muta battle... i give up on this now... hope he takes fantasy tomorrow although that's looking weak now...


You're such a shitty "fan" it's ridiculous

I bet when JD was down 0-2 vs fantasy in OSL you also were like "Ah fuck this, JD has no chance"
beep boop
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 10:38 GMT
#324
watching these MSL Replays, im wondering what changed between last month's Jaedong and this month's version...
just lurking around...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#325
On August 13 2009 19:36 MannerMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:35 nayumi wrote:
lol JD is throwing this MSL away and put his 100% effort on taking a revenging against fantasy and being the 2nd person to win 2 OSL back-to-back ...

haha, not even close

I do think he wants the OSL more though

I ninja-edited my typo ... but apparently I wasn't fast enough
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#326
JD didnt lose a muta battle ...Calm was +1 attack and he perfectly timed 4 scourge to kill 2 muta at start. If he wins muta battle vs that he would have 100% win rate not 80% zvz
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#327
On August 13 2009 19:35 nayumi wrote:
lol JD is throwing this MSL away and put his 100% effort on taking a revenging against fantasy and being the 2nd person to win 2 OSL back-to-back ...


Well... no. But I guess it's reasonable to assume that he has almost solely been practicing for the OSL.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#328
On August 13 2009 19:37 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:32 jello24 wrote:
wow JD lost a muta battle... i give up on this now... hope he takes fantasy tomorrow although that's looking weak now...


You're such a shitty "fan" it's ridiculous

I bet when JD was down 0-2 vs fantasy in OSL you also were like "Ah fuck this, JD has no chance"


Oh man that was awesome. I still get goosebumps just thinking about it!
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#329
Calm is very smart... a true cerebrate... but if u played the SC campaings u know that Overmind > Cerebrates.

Cmon JD u cant lose this =P
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#330
Seriously though, don't count JD out. He was down 0-2 against Fantasy and roared right back.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:39 GMT
#331
SPARTAAAAAAAAAAA
POGGERS
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#332
LOL BERSERKER :D
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#333
That Iris Bisu commercial rules

so does Berserk
a
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#334
Calm for MSL champ, Jaedong for OSL champ.

-gasms-

That'd be great :3
TranslatorBaa!
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#335
On August 13 2009 19:38 jello24 wrote:
watching these MSL Replays, im wondering what changed between last month's Jaedong and this month's version...

-345436546456754 hours of sleep.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#336
On August 13 2009 19:39 bearbuddy wrote:
Seriously though, don't count JD out. He was down 0-2 against Fantasy and roared right back.

He was in his killer mode back then. Now he's like sAviOr. It's SLUMP TIME, sry.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#337
Showing game 5 of Bisu vs Iris was giving me the chills haha.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#338
all the best off their game recently. heartbreaking to watch. and jaedong takes it so much more personally than the others...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#339
rofl

Requiem for a Dream in the background of Iris vs Bisu
POGGERS
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:41 GMT
#340
JD said he wants to be the greatest player of SC that nobody can ever surpass. He isn't throwing anything away, of course he wants to win both.
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 10:41 GMT
#341
On August 13 2009 19:37 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:32 jello24 wrote:
wow JD lost a muta battle... i give up on this now... hope he takes fantasy tomorrow although that's looking weak now...


You're such a shitty "fan" it's ridiculous

I bet when JD was down 0-2 vs fantasy in OSL you also were like "Ah fuck this, JD has no chance"

yeah man totally, which is what makes his win much, MUCH sweeter. if he comes back to win, it's sweet and unexpected. if he drops, i'm not disappointed.

Win-Win for me.
just lurking around...
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:41 GMT
#342
On August 13 2009 19:40 crucifix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:39 bearbuddy wrote:
Seriously though, don't count JD out. He was down 0-2 against Fantasy and roared right back.

He was in his killer mode back then. Now he's like sAviOr nowadays. It's SLUMP TIME, sry.


Fixed -_-.
sAviOr...
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:42 GMT
#343
the spore build has been strong for JD and he's been feeling out calm's counters all series, and he won the first game on the map 5, I think he's got at least a 50% chance to take this
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:42 GMT
#344
On August 13 2009 19:40 crucifix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:39 bearbuddy wrote:
Seriously though, don't count JD out. He was down 0-2 against Fantasy and roared right back.

He was in his killer mode back then. Now he's like sAviOr. It's SLUMP TIME, sry.

You're saying it like Calm could only win because JD was slumping D:

...





Its true tho LOL
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 10:42 GMT
#345
On August 13 2009 19:40 crucifix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:39 bearbuddy wrote:
Seriously though, don't count JD out. He was down 0-2 against Fantasy and roared right back.

He was in his killer mode back then. Now he's like sAviOr. It's SLUMP TIME, sry.

stop
a)trolling
b)being dumb
thanks
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:43 GMT
#346
Jaedong looks like he is about to cry or fall a sleep .
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:43 GMT
#347
I think that Heaven & Hell's Eating The Cannibals is a great opening song. ^_^
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gdcrimson
Profile Joined January 2009
New Zealand148 Posts
August 13 2009 10:43 GMT
#348
I know of Silent_Control fainting, but has anyone ever fallen asleep during a game? If it's ever gonna happen, it'll be now.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:43 GMT
#349
Seriosly JD looks like he is gonna fall asleep any sec lol
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Mah Buckit!
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland474 Posts
August 13 2009 10:43 GMT
#350
After next match I shall put 3 of those gif´s in one post.
Starcraft? Epic Grimness.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#351
holy fudge wtf is going on ???!!!???

oh man i rly hope that Calm is going to take this one Poor JD ...
T H C makes ppl happy
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#352
On August 13 2009 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
I think that Heaven & Hell's Eating The Cannibals is a great opening song. ^_^


Agreed. Especially for ZvZ :D.
sAviOr...
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#353
Nah. The first person to fall asleep would be much.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#354
On August 13 2009 19:42 nayumi wrote:
You're saying it like Calm could only win because JD was slumping D:



Jaedong really didn't make any mistakes that last game, he was just outplayed...?
TranslatorBaa!
Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#355
calm is always looking so freakin serious. Like he's gonna die if he loses. Can he even smile? :>
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#356
not that i disagree, but only with lee jae dong is potentially being eliminated in the MSL semifinals while still active in the OSL semifinals considered slumping. few other players were active even in both quarterfinals
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:44 GMT
#357
Will it be a heartbreaking moment for JD's fanboys on Heartbreak Ridge? ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#358
Jaedong, please don't lose
Brood War loyalist
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#359
jaedong 13 pool gas
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#360
man why do they change the colors

i like purple
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#361
pool and gas on 12 for jd
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#362
cheer up JD go 3-2!!!!
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#363
Jaedong is going to win this game and square things up. 12pool > 9pool !!
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#364
9 pool gas vs 12 pool again
beep boop
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#365
this time JD make a fucken sunken!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:45 GMT
#366
On August 13 2009 19:44 Toolshed wrote:
calm is always looking so freakin serious. Like he's gonna die if he loses. Can he even smile? :>

This kid is for real.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#367
!?!?!? why this build again!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:48:50
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#368
Damn Calm plays good, JD plays... fine... not amazing, not bad, Calm really just outsmarts him and guesses better for the BO's.

For next game... Things looks bad for JD allready despite some good drone micro.
In the woods, there lurks..
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#369
jaedong expanding

pool isn't done yet

lol
POGGERS
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#370
calm hid 2 lings once again; this could be bad
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#371
--- Nuked ---
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
August 13 2009 10:46 GMT
#372
Is Jaedong always doing this eyebrow movement or just today?
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#373
Calm reads JD so easily, it's ridiculous.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#374
welll..... over TT
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DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#375
No drones down yet!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#376
Jaedong overdroned thanks to calm hiding the lings....
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
BobbYt3hBobbY
Profile Joined December 2008
256 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#377
JD slumping
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#378
its ridiculous how this game is too useless... too painful to watch that.
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:47 GMT
#379
JD already lost
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#380
wow jaedong

so fucking intense

spire half done for calm
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#381
JD is so dead ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#382
Calm's spire is ahead, too
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#383
12pool.. hmm it loses to 9pool speed and 12hatch. And 9pool speed or possibly even lair beats 12hatch, and maybe 12pool. Crazy!
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#384
sooo ... Jaedong lost ??? oh shit seriously ? he lost a ZvZ again ??? wtf ?
T H C makes ppl happy
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#385
Jaedong is yellow
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#386
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics
Commentator
dannyd102
Profile Joined May 2009
Australia24 Posts
August 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#387
JD is losing... I feel so sorry.
Make a miracle JD.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#388
oh man somebody plz livereport this , i dont have a stream !!! T_T
T H C makes ppl happy
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#389
wow, who ever wrote "why calm should win this msl" is just 1 more match away.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#390
On August 13 2009 19:46 boesthius wrote:
dude calm is so smart, such a good nickname for him


Everyone uses the word smart to describe him. I like other describing words .
sAviOr...
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#391
Calms ling micro is terrible...
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#392
Don't ever underestimate JD! Ever!
Flash returns...
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#393
Please Jaedong come back from this
a
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 13 2009 10:49 GMT
#394
JD why are you so greedy Flash is greedy enough, we dont need 2 greedy S-class pros!

Damn, now if Iris loses there's no need to watch MSL finals anymore. Or if he wins he has chance of getting gold ;>
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#395
On August 13 2009 19:49 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:46 boesthius wrote:
dude calm is so smart, such a good nickname for him


Everyone uses the word smart to describe him. I like other describing words .

boe was probably talking about calm's nickname - "Brain"
POGGERS
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#396
Calm waiting for that update again .
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#397
wow he fenced that lings rush off ... cool
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#398
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

Completely agreed. We had a period where Mechanics dominated strategy and now we're entering a new era where strategy is more important than mechanics (since we're all on the same level again)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#399
JD got really lucky that Calm missed that one overlord by a few inches
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#400
Jaedong's bulid order was bad
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#401
if jd comes back hopefully the idiots will finally stfu
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 13 2009 10:50 GMT
#402
if JD takes this no way he loses the title
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#403
so whats going on ??? who's winning ?

btw: oh shit im just watching the first game on YT fastest upload possible ... thx !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#404
he wont, calm is just waiting for +1 and gogo
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#405
Calm is nervous
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#406
calm expanding, jd needs a play here
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#407
On August 13 2009 19:50 Bifur wrote:
Jaedong's bulid order was bad

No, Jaedongs build was perfect. Calm tricked him into making more drones than he should have hence he was always a few lings short and unable to defend his expansion properly.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#408
+1 is done for calm.

crap.
a
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#409
+1 attack soon over!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:51 GMT
#410
calm has his upgrades sheieie
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#411
CALM +1 ATTACK
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#412
another +1 timing attack?
Commentator
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#413
It over. +1 nail in the coffin.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#414
Calm's mutas are at +1 again
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#415
jaedong lost 100%.... not even god can come back
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#416
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

This might be true if they didn't have good mechanics as well. As is, it pretty much proves that strategy > no strategy.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#417
JD miracle comeback gogogoooo
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#418
Calm is expanding, JD sees it with his one scouting ling, JD moves his mutas out

Heading to towards Calm's base. JD's lings attacking Calm's expansion.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#419
can somebody SRSLY make some live report on this one ? plz , i cant watch this im on my friend laptop ...
T H C makes ppl happy
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#420
LOL JD ???
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#421
Maybe Jaedong has concentrated more on his match against Fantasy.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:52 GMT
#422
lol @ calm suiciding those 5 lings :/
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#423
Oh my God Jaedong would have won that exchange if there was no +1
a
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#424
UPGRADE SAVES CALM
POGGERS
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#425
Uhh why doesn't Jaedong ever upgrade?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#426
+1 attack raping

aren't players usually suppose to go for +1 defense?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#427
so sad omg!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#428
man, does calm now prove that +1 attack is better than +1 armor now?
Commentator
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#429
That's GG =[
Jaedong
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:53:59
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#430
Jaedong understands that he has lost...
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 10:53 GMT
#431
No upgrade + 2 on gas for far too long, it's over.
日本語が分かりますか
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#432
tiss over =(
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#433
On August 13 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:
+1 attack raping

aren't players usually suppose to go for +1 defense?


yes, since mutas can take more hits

but with muta micro and stacking these days i think attack is better (cost 50/50 less)
Commentator
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#434
--- Nuked ---
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#435
oh Jaedong
beep boop
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#436
CALM WINS

HE FUCKING WINS

HOLY SHIT
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#437
GG

LOL
POGGERS
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#438
That was weird, but it saved Calm...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#439
Good show, calm.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#440
CLAMROLLEDDDDDDDDDDDD
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#441
Jaedong is going on tilt
a
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#442
Good job Calm, i was already tired of Jaedong this, Jaedong that..
One ring, to rule them all!
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#443
GGGG
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#444
WHAT THE FUCK. IM DREAMING RIGHT?
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#445
what happened to those lings attacking the hatch??? holy shiiiit gg
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#446
that's it I'm quitting Starcraft
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#447
welcome to slump
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#448
GG!!!!

Calm's mutas > JD's mutas
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#449
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#450
jaedong needs to get some sleep -_-
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#451
sad
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#452
congrats Calm, he was the smarter player today.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#453
gotta say especially in the last game, JD just got outplayed
beep boop
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#454
and thats GG

who the hell expected Calm and + Show Spoiler +
Yarnc
to be finalists in the Starleagues?
Commentator
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#455
On August 13 2009 19:50 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:49 Camlito wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:46 boesthius wrote:
dude calm is so smart, such a good nickname for him


Everyone uses the word smart to describe him. I like other describing words .

boe was probably talking about calm's nickname - "Brain"


Nah but it's always "smart". We need some variety .

Jaedong GG's. I can't hate calm, because beating jaedong 3-1 is absolutely incredible and i appreciate him more now.
sAviOr...
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#456
Fuck yes Calm ! You're so fucking smart <3 MSL is Yours
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#457
damn JD dont go into slump !!! T__________T

Hope he smashes Fantasy tomorow that would be enough to make him feel good
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#458
oh my gosh. Calm 3-1'd JD in a ZvZ Bo5. LOL!
Graphics
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#459
calm tooo cute.... omg too emotive
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#460
GFG go calm
HEY MEYT
DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#461
Man Jaedong look soo tired.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#462
Is calm crying from happiness?
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#463
Great series. Calm played very well. That +1 attack upgrade was genius.

Jaedong better win the OSL tomorrow or he would be entering a slump
perfecting the art of five pool forever
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#464
--- Nuked ---
ImGoNNaLoSeNoW
Profile Joined July 2009
Finland61 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#465
[image loading]


COME ON JAEDONG HOW COULD YOU
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#466
This is sad.. I dont even know if he is gonna stand much vs Fantasy T.T!
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#467
Time to check lb..
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#468
+1 too good.
Jaedong
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#469
THE S-WORD ANYONE?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#470
Now hoping for Iris to advance so that we'll see a sick TvZ finals
POGGERS
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#471
and the slumping begins..
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#472
18:54 ugly : time to jump off the jaedong bandwagon

pathetic statement.
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#473
Calm is crying man tears.
Graphics
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 13 2009 10:55 GMT
#474
Jaedong wouldve been at the advantage had he put down his hatch inbase rather than expand.

He got too greedy.
#1 Terran hater
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#475
On August 13 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:
+1 attack raping

aren't players usually suppose to go for +1 defense?

+1 Attack = you do 1, 0.33, 0.11 damage more per hit.
+1 Carapace = you take 1, 1, 1 damage less per hit.

So carapace is still better, but it costs 50/50 more. Also, against a heavy scourge build +1 attack is better because the carapace doesn't matter against scourge.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#476
On August 13 2009 19:55 konadora wrote:
Now hoping for Iris to advance so that we'll see a sick TvZ finals

Yes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#477
ok if jaedong loses v. fantasy we need to put him on suicide watch. seriously, i am fucking concerned about this kid.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#478
holy shit !!!! Calm won ??? oh man ... Jaedong's ZvZ isnt that magic anymore .... thats sad but on the other hand i think that Calm deserved this win for his overall performance . JD still has OSL
T H C makes ppl happy
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#479
jaedong fans crying in unity
Commentator
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#480
Gj, you deserved it Calm..
One ring, to rule them all!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:56:42
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#481
On August 13 2009 19:55 Highways wrote:
Jaedong wouldve been at the advantage had he put down his hatch inbase rather than expand.

He got too greedy.

wtf?
GTR so rude
Jaedong
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#482
I feel so sorry for Jaedong... Guy is a real champ, played every league, went far in each one.. And now he seems broken. Props to Calm tho, he played really well. Looks like his bottled up emotions surfaced.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#483

[image loading]


hf to the other 136...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#484
you are good at predicting konadora
Zerg Bunker
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#485
^_^
TranslatorBaa!
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 13 2009 10:56 GMT
#486
I guess even Jaedong is human . Looking forward to a Iris vs Calm final .Should be great .
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#487
Uhh, why does TLPD say that Jaedong won?
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#488
Some pretty shitty predictions^
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#489
On August 13 2009 19:56 o[twist] wrote:
ok if jaedong loses v. fantasy we need to put him on suicide watch. seriously, i am fucking concerned about this kid.

+1 on this.

I think the only way for him to not enter a huuuuuge slump is if he beats fantasy.

I can't imagine him winning games constantly after loosing every single playoff game that matters.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#490
On August 13 2009 19:56 SilverSkyLark wrote:

[image loading]


hf to the other 136...


High five!
TranslatorBaa!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#491
On August 13 2009 19:56 Patrio wrote:
you are good at predicting konadora

because Jaedong isn't in SKT1
POGGERS
ScoutWBF
Profile Joined April 2005
Germany599 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#492
Clam, he da best! :D
I even liquibeted on him and I thought I voted for JD when they were playing haha. ^^
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#493
On August 13 2009 19:56 SilverSkyLark wrote:

[image loading]


hf to the other 136...

739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#494
[image loading]


Easy huh?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
spetial
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States688 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#495
calm's been playing muta vs scourge UMS 24/7? he was sniping scourge so nice
metal_survive @ uswest
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#496
I'm afraid that Jaedong might really be in a slump if he manages to lose to Fantasy tommorow. Jaedong should realize that practice efficiency is just as important as how much he practices. Sleeping less for practice might not have better results than if he sleep more and practice a bit less.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#497
LOL Calm cried because he LB'd Jaedong!!!!

Now I get it.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#498
On August 13 2009 19:56 Patrio wrote:
you are good at predicting konadora



Oh wow, lol. The exact opposite.
Mah Buckit!
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 10:59:12
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#499
On August 13 2009 19:57 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:56 SilverSkyLark wrote:

[image loading]


hf to the other 136...



Starcraft? Epic Grimness.
Neos
Profile Joined June 2009
United States400 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#500
Calm was playing mind games with JD the whole time with BO wins and hidden crap.
12 pool doesnt beat 9 pool speed on 2-P maps.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#501
jaedong should not have expanded, i agree.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5576 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#502
On August 13 2009 19:55 JohnBall wrote:
Great series. Calm played very well. That +1 attack upgrade was genius.

Jaedong better win the OSL tomorrow or he would be entering a slump


Alternatively, he would be making it to the top 4 of both leagues, showing consistency and high level performance after carrying a Proleague team to 2nd place over 10 other teams in a year-long season.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
August 13 2009 10:58 GMT
#503
On August 13 2009 19:50 o[twist] wrote:
if jd comes back hopefully the idiots will finally stfu

*licks jaedong fan boy tears* mmm delicious

GO CALM
OMG you nasty gurl
hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#504
On August 13 2009 19:57 nayumi wrote:
LOL Calm cried because he LB'd Jaedong!!!!

Now I get it.

hahaha nice one
darod2007
Profile Joined January 2009
United States43 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#505
Go Calm 3-1. Fantasy will do much worse things to Jaedong tomorrow.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#506
On August 13 2009 19:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

Completely agreed. We had a period where Mechanics dominated strategy and now we're entering a new era where strategy is more important than mechanics (since we're all on the same level again)


I agree too, and I look forward to it because I find strategy so much more exciting. It's also an area where shit players like me can emulate the pros more. It should make it all a lot more fun to watch.

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.

One concern for a strat-oriented metagame is some top players that we have grown to love becoming obsolete. I know that's most likely an exaggeration because mechanics still play a huge part (well, mechanics of a certain level are par for the course just like size/strength is in rugby players or height/jumping is in basketballers) but you can't help thinking of how great entertainers like BoxeR and YellOw became somewhat obsolete when people learned how to macro.
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#507
Interesting. As of this series, calm has a higher win percentage in 2009 than jaedong does.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:01:21
August 13 2009 10:59 GMT
#508
Man, Jaedong should seriously get some sleep. Even looking at him makes me sleepy

Good luck tomorrow!
Brood War loyalist
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#509
On August 13 2009 19:58 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:50 o[twist] wrote:
if jd comes back hopefully the idiots will finally stfu

*licks jaedong fan boy tears* mmm delicious

GO CALM


calm outplayed him strategically. wtf was he thinking, it looked like effort going for the same 12pool->hatch build that failed so hard in game 2.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#510
Boring Zerg down!

Now instead of post-match analysis/discussion there will be 25 pages of fanboys wailing.

To contribute to the former and avoid the latter, Calm used some kind of hidden lings every game except for game 3 where he did stuck on 1 hatch and did a +1 timing attack. He had a nice shot at winning the first game too with that hidden ling maneuver but as with nearly every other game, he lost all his lings because he dove into the mineral line, probably while looking elsewhere (his multitasking was bad.).

It felt like in even situations Jaedong risked too much on reading Calm's ling/drone count and paid for it dearly, while in bad spots Jaedong didn't try to make many moves to regain a lead. In some games Calm was just good. In others, Jaedong not so good. Can't blame "slump" or broken mentality for all of this. Calm, at least for this MSL run, is not some ordinary Zerg.
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#511
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy > mechanics

<333
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:05:38
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#512
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

Too bad i'm hoping tomorrow's match produces a movie that is rated R-18 for the VIOLENCE!!!
just lurking around...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#513
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#514
On August 13 2009 20:00 jello24 wrote:
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

yup . if JD wins tommorow , thats gonna be an ideal disney movie material !

SWEET !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#515
On August 13 2009 20:00 Ver wrote:
Boring Zerg down!

Now instead of post-match analysis/discussion there will be 25 pages of fanboys wailing.

To contribute to the former and avoid the latter, Calm used some kind of hidden lings every game except for game 3 where he did stuck on 1 hatch and did a +1 timing attack. He had a nice shot at winning the first game too with that hidden ling maneuver but as with nearly every other game, he lost all his lings because he dove into the mineral line, probably while looking elsewhere (his multitasking was bad.).

It felt like in even situations Jaedong risked too much on reading Calm's ling/drone count and paid for it dearly, while in bad spots Jaedong didn't try to make many moves to regain a lead. In some games Calm was just good. In others, Jaedong not so good. Can't blame "slump" or broken mentality for all of this. Calm, at least for this MSL run, is not some ordinary Zerg.

More people saying that than actually happening.
Jaedong
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 13 2009 11:01 GMT
#516
On August 13 2009 19:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:55 Highways wrote:
Jaedong wouldve been at the advantage had he put down his hatch inbase rather than expand.

He got too greedy.

wtf?


What?

12 pool is a BO advantage over 9 pool.
#1 Terran hater
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#517
IriS had better win or I'm crying myself to sleep this August. Not a Calm fan at all.
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#518
ROFL @ Calm vs Calm WIN in TLPD XDDD
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#519
feel so painful for JD... his play style is knowing more and more by players... TT
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#520
oh geez , now im only hoping for Iris to win his semi and its going to be a sweet final this year !!!

GO GO GO !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#521
On August 13 2009 20:01 Sinedd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:00 jello24 wrote:
wow JD didnt even look pissed after that game... plain-out dejected... sucks that he cant get both titles.

at least this sets up for a nice match tomorrow. Fantasy riding high, JD on the cliff-edge. thats what Disney movies are made of, arent they...?

yup . if JD wins tommorow , thats gonna be an ideal disney movie material !

SWEET !!!

too bad Disney movies are for wussies... i'm expecting JD will show up for an all-out war hehehe
just lurking around...
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#522
I am now officially a Calm fan. He played an amazing series today. Poor Jaedong though
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#523
On August 13 2009 20:02 iNfeRnaL wrote:
ROFL @ Calm vs Calm WIN in TLPD XDDD


lolol Clam vs Clam

GO CLAM
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#524
Beautiful beautiful beautiful play by Calm!

I'm really excited by Calm's play because it looks like ZvZ is about to get A LOT more strategical ... it's already gone from a matchup where you basically expected nothing interesting to happen to one where every game could be potentially very exciting. Now the possibility of +1 timing attack gambits and other plays makes it even better.

Anyone think if Jaedong stalled for +1 carapace from the start he might have had a chance? Or did he not have enough Drones to do that and still pump Mutas, I don't really know ZvZ.

Anyone how can anyone hate JD? This guy is a true monster - welcome to Flashville, population you and Flash. Not even the monster Jaedong could overcome what appears to be a nearly impossible hurdle to overcome in the modern era - schedule overload.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:03 GMT
#525
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.
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DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 11:04 GMT
#526
1 Step Closer to MBC Game's Dream Final of Calm v Kwanro.

But seriously, Iris had better win the other Semi. He would put up a great fight against this rising zerg. DAUM REDEMPTION!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 13 2009 11:04 GMT
#527
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy+ mechanics > mechanics


you seriosly think fantasy has no mechanics at all ???.... cmon


Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#528
After about 2 years at the top of progaming Jaedong starting to slump?

It was a massive run.
#1 Terran hater
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#529
On August 13 2009 20:03 iCCup.deL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.


No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
August 13 2009 11:05 GMT
#530
Seriously, this is one of the damn weirdest seasons I've ever witnessed of progaming ever.

I never expected in the world that Calm, + Show Spoiler [OSL SF Spoiler] +
Yarnc
and Iris would make it to the finals of MSL, OSL and GOM respectively.
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:06 GMT
#531
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:06 GMT
#532
On August 13 2009 20:04 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 19:48 GTR wrote:
calm is such a fucking smart player omg

if fantasy wins tommorow, it is proven that strategy+ mechanics > mechanics


you seriosly think fantasy has no mechanics at all ???.... cmon




I think he means that now that all players have to have a certain degree of mechanics to be competitive, the players showing clever strategies (or with good strategy coaches) are going to set themselves apart.
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 13 2009 11:07 GMT
#533
sucks that Jaedong basically lost in the first 5 minutes in like all the matches today

On Outsider, JD needed to do damage with 9p because 9p << Gas pool. As soon as JD ended up not doing any damage, he lost the game.

On Heartbreak, 12p expand vs 9p, ordinarily is ADV for 12p as long as you cancel your nat hatch asap and just keep pumping lings, block the choke, but I think JD got overconfident and delayed the move, so enemy lings got in, he had to pull drones, and he lost the game there.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 11:07 GMT
#534
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.
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DIMJkE
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Bulgaria425 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#535
Set 2 of Calm vs Calm already on youtube.

hehe

Thanks zatic for great work!
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#536
On August 13 2009 20:05 GTR wrote:
Seriously, this is one of the damn weirdest seasons I've ever witnessed of progaming ever.

I never expected in the world that Calm, + Show Spoiler [OSL SF Spoiler] +
Yarnc
and Iris would make it to the finals of MSL, OSL and GOM respectively.



It's like it some shift in progaming. Only it doesnt make sense, its older players not young blood.

Also JD buddy sleep is essential for human functioning and survival. Try it out.



5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
August 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#537
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:09 GMT
#538
On August 13 2009 20:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:03 iCCup.deL wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 19:59 iCCup.deL wrote:

However, I am not necessarily agreeing that Calm is smart, as I really don't think you can take much out of ZvZ games and I have not seen other MUs by Calm. Luck or risky play can come off as intelligence in ZvZ, more than any other MU imo, so it is more consistency to me that says someone is gifted in that department.



This is so wrong. You even said it yourself, you didn't see his other games. Go watch his other game ROFL.


If you're gonna be a dick about it and not read what I said properly then I'll be a dick too and say Calm really doesn't deserve an MSL, even less so than Luxury did, in fact.


No no no, your entire post was based off the premise that Calm is inconsistent and bad at his other MUs. He's not. And he wins his other MU's the exact same way he just won tonight, strategic play.


I think you misinterperated because that's not what I meant at all - perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying was that I agreed with everything Albury-boy said but have to take people's word for it that Calm is smart because I have only ever watched him play ZvZ (other than a couple other games that he lost anyway) and you can't really tell if a player is really clever in that matchup - hiding lings or getting +1 attack are like the only things you can do outside of the very norm and even terrible ZvZ players like HoeJJa will hide lings.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:10:26
August 13 2009 11:10 GMT
#539
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?


LOL Hardcore man, hardcore
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jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 13 2009 11:10 GMT
#540
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?

i think his mutas firing across the map is more believable than that...
just lurking around...
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
August 13 2009 11:10 GMT
#541
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?

huh?
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 13 2009 11:13 GMT
#542
I hope we get an epic TvZ final. GoGo IRIS!
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 11:15 GMT
#543
At least he lost to someone good. =/
Jaedong
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 13 2009 11:15 GMT
#544
Calm is 76% vT this year, with wins against Flash and Fantasy.

Calm for Avalon MSL 2009 champion~!!!
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
August 13 2009 11:17 GMT
#545
Honestly I'm not sure if Iris caught a break or not with JD losing this.

But I'm going to assume that you gotta prefer to face Calm in the finals than a seasoned finals veteran like Jaedong, no matter what, especially when you yourself are an old veteran like Iris who has gone deep in leagues multiple times (and really really really should have won Daum).

On the other hand, if Kwanro makes it ... I can't imagine any scenario outside of Calm absolutely rolling him.

Iris will never ever get a better chance than this. He MUST seize this opportunity, because if he loses, not only will he almost certainly never make it this far again, but he'll also likely end up on the losing end of a THIRD incredible ZvT moment that partly (in the Savior game 5 Arkanoid case) or completely (in the GGPlay case) defined a career.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
August 13 2009 11:17 GMT
#546
On August 13 2009 19:18 GTR wrote:
JD getting the JD treatment here.

Calm for the next two.


On December 22 2007 20:17 GTR wrote:
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Such a change in bandwagons.
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StormsInJuly
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden165 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:18:25
August 13 2009 11:17 GMT
#547
edit: whoops!!! jaedong better beat fantasy now or i will call him a slumper
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:18 GMT
#548
On August 13 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.


Come on. Getting fooled by hidden lings a couple times. Getting owned twice by +1 Mutas. Even that first game that Jaedong won could have been had by Calm if he didn't split his ling forces.

JD hasn't played a "good" game since before the Pro League Finals. Think about it. Lost to Fantasy twice, despite being decidedly ahead in game one on Outsider (way ahead after Fantasy screwed up the sunken break). He lost to Hyuk on a greedy build order. And 4 games against Calm where JD was out-thought and out-maneuvered. Jaedong is 1-6 since he made the "Week of Jaedong" comment.

So yeah, I think he needs to play a lot better if he wants to get by a top-of-the-world Fantasy that has done nothing but focus, scheme, and practice for Jaedong for the past few days.
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 11:18 GMT
#549
On August 13 2009 20:13 SilverskY wrote:
I hope we get two epic TvZ final. GoGo IRIS!

OSL too man D:
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 11:19 GMT
#550
On August 13 2009 20:18 cablesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.


Come on. Getting fooled by hidden lings a couple times. Getting owned twice by +1 Mutas. Even that first game that Jaedong won could have been had by Calm if he didn't split his ling forces.

JD hasn't played a "good" game since before the Pro League Finals. Think about it. Lost to Fantasy twice, despite being decidedly ahead in game one on Outsider (way ahead after Fantasy screwed up the sunken break). He lost to Hyuk on a greedy build order. And 4 games against Calm where JD was out-thought and out-maneuvered. Jaedong is 1-6 since he made the "Week of Jaedong" comment.

So yeah, I think he needs to play a lot better if he wants to get by a top-of-the-world Fantasy that has done nothing but focus, scheme, and practice for Jaedong for the past few days.

Week of JD was the week before PL finals.
Jaedong
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
August 13 2009 11:19 GMT
#551
On August 13 2009 20:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm is 76% vT this year, with wins against Flash and Fantasy.

Calm for Avalon MSL 2009 champion~!!!

Iris is 73.33% vZ this year, with wins vs effort ... uh... 45[Name]? Hyuk? Juni?

Damn.
genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
August 13 2009 11:21 GMT
#552
Is Jaedong slumping? Or does the era of his domination has finally came to an end?

I, Challenge Everything
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 13 2009 11:22 GMT
#553
On August 13 2009 20:19 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calm is 76% vT this year, with wins against Flash and Fantasy.

Calm for Avalon MSL 2009 champion~!!!

Iris is 73.33% vZ this year, with wins vs effort ... uh... 45[Name]? Hyuk? Juni?

Damn.


He + Show Spoiler +
3-0'd
the one of the hottest ZvT'ers this season. It's gotta mean something. And besides Iris has been playing like a beast in all MU's recently. Rooting for the ol' veteran.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 11:24:31
August 13 2009 11:22 GMT
#554
I still stand by the statement that if Jaedong practises solely for 1 league he would have demolished Calm and probably anybody . Better preparation = better results at this level , you can't expect JD to win every game especially when you have a second Bo5 the day after . You can't prepare for both equally , just raw skill wouldn't cut it . Calm's builds were very intelligent and well prepared for the specific map , while Jaedong's builds were plain ordinary , but i disagree with people claiming that Jaedong is just a mechanical player just look at his series against Canata game 2 and 3 were very well prepared and strategic games .
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
August 13 2009 11:24 GMT
#555
On August 13 2009 20:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:18 cablesc wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.


Come on. Getting fooled by hidden lings a couple times. Getting owned twice by +1 Mutas. Even that first game that Jaedong won could have been had by Calm if he didn't split his ling forces.

JD hasn't played a "good" game since before the Pro League Finals. Think about it. Lost to Fantasy twice, despite being decidedly ahead in game one on Outsider (way ahead after Fantasy screwed up the sunken break). He lost to Hyuk on a greedy build order. And 4 games against Calm where JD was out-thought and out-maneuvered. Jaedong is 1-6 since he made the "Week of Jaedong" comment.

So yeah, I think he needs to play a lot better if he wants to get by a top-of-the-world Fantasy that has done nothing but focus, scheme, and practice for Jaedong for the past few days.

Week of JD was the week before PL finals.


If you read his quote, he clearly means than the "Week of Jaedong" refers to the Pro-league finals and the Round of 4 in the individual leagues:

The fans have been very worried about me. Since I have been playing many games in the proleague, they worried that I might carelessly leave out the individual leagues but since I have advanced, I will show my good form in the round of 4. Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong".


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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 11:24 GMT
#556
My bad.
Jaedong
C[SCL]
Profile Joined April 2009
Philippines576 Posts
August 13 2009 11:25 GMT
#557
Damn this makes things so complicated. I'm going to assume that Iris will win vs Kwanro(im sure almost everyone does). I want Iris to win this thing because he's like Leta, very good, but not good enough to win titles. Yes hes better than Leta, Bisu vs Iris proved that. Calm on the other hand, an MSL title will give his future a HUGE boost in confidence. Considering he defeated an emotionally drained JD and a stubborn Effort, I say he's the 3rd Zerg right now(behind JD and Yarnc ofcourse).

Bottom line:
I can't choose between Calm and Iris. They're too likeable. Anyway, GL to them both.
BISU FAN FOREVER|Really fan.. really.|Flash, please get all the golds. k thx
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
August 13 2009 11:26 GMT
#558
Jaedong has obviously over-worked himself, and its showing. No way a 100% Jaedong would lose a Bo5 ZvZ. Ever. I suspect Fantasy will also roll him tomorrow. I just hope that Yarnac crushes Fantasy like a bug 3-0 in the finals. Just the comedy value in him one-upping his twin brother will be gold.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 13 2009 11:27 GMT
#559
me and 136 other geniuses knew better than all!
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 13 2009 11:33 GMT
#560
Iris was always good enough to win titles - he just ALWAYS met some rabid Zerg that had 1 upped him at the most critical moment
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
August 13 2009 11:33 GMT
#561
This shows how important practice is.
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
August 13 2009 11:36 GMT
#562
On August 13 2009 20:27 Mykill wrote:
me and 136 other geniuses knew better than all!
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Whats up smart thinkin buddy! Although its not a bet I'm proud of. Poor Jaedong.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 13 2009 11:40 GMT
#563
On August 13 2009 20:33 Ace wrote:
Iris was always good enough to win titles - he just ALWAYS met some rabid Zerg that had 1 upped him at the most critical moment

Agreed.
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Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 13 2009 11:40 GMT
#564
Wouldnt it be ironical if Flash will be only one of the great trio to win a league. Or better yet Iris takes two leagues ^^

*quietly dying inside for Jaedong*
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 13 2009 11:47 GMT
#565
oh, wow
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
August 13 2009 11:47 GMT
#566
everyone makes a big deal of the +1 "timing attack" ... but in both cases i feel like the result would of been the same with the extra muta or the +1 attack.
Reason obeys itself....and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
August 13 2009 11:47 GMT
#567
On August 13 2009 20:25 C[SCL] wrote:
Bottom line:
I can't choose between Calm and Iris. They're too likeable. Anyway, GL to them both.


Go watch Shinhan 3 Savior vs Iris semifinals and Daum GGPlay vs Iris finals. Possibly the two best/most significant TvZ series played since 2007.

And then root for Iris. This guy deserves it.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 13 2009 11:49 GMT
#568
JD lost the last two games in the series in the first 5 minutes.

His 9pool didn't damage gaspool.

His 12pool expand got damaged by 9pool.

Against good players who know how to keep their leads, those disadvantages are insurmountable. It's just that JD has somehow always found a way to reverse the disadvantage. Except for today.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
August 13 2009 11:53 GMT
#569
jd slumping,from the last few games of round 5 till now,he has lost like 10 games or so...i feel regretted betting jd in OSL T_T
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 13 2009 12:08 GMT
#570
On August 13 2009 20:08 5unrise wrote:
Jaedong will win, theres no other possible outcome. Even if he has just one sunken and a drone left vs a 200/200 T we will always assume he will win in the end!! Until the moment GG is typed, there's no question that his drone will own the whole T army. Got that?

No, the only thing I got was your hardcore fanboyism. We can all dream.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
August 13 2009 12:27 GMT
#571
week of jaedong my ass
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
August 13 2009 12:35 GMT
#572
i voted for CALM. LB points for me.
JD put all his practice time into his OSL matchup versus Fantasy.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
August 13 2009 12:37 GMT
#573
Hopefully this is JD putting all his time into OSL like above said. I just can't fathom JD slumping.

However. GOOOOOOOOO IRISSSSSSS. MSL chances just went up.
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
August 13 2009 12:40 GMT
#574
lol'd at Jaedong's new ELO point..
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 12:45:47
August 13 2009 12:44 GMT
#575
If Jaedong loses to Fantasy, we will have no choice but to call it a slump.

If he rapes Fantasy (if he wins, it has no other choice but to be a complete rape since he's probably so pissed right now) and wins the OSL... how can you call the OSL winner slumping?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
August 13 2009 12:46 GMT
#576
On August 13 2009 20:26 Goragoth wrote:
Jaedong has obviously over-worked himself, and its showing. No way a 100% Jaedong would lose a Bo5 ZvZ. Ever. I suspect Fantasy will also roll him tomorrow. I just hope that Yarnac crushes Fantasy like a bug 3-0 in the finals. Just the comedy value in him one-upping his twin brother will be gold.

If there's any way to rationalize Jaedong's loss here, it's that he was spending all his time practicing for his OSL match instead of his MSL match. They're a day apart, so he wouldn't really have time to concentrate on both, OSL is more prestigious, plus fantasy just 2-0ed him in the playoffs, so I'll bet the OSL match is much more important to him than this one.
That, or he's really in a slump.
Entusman #12
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 13 2009 12:48 GMT
#577
On August 13 2009 21:44 Gumbo wrote:
If Jaedong loses to Fantasy, we will have no choice but to call it a slump.

If he rapes Fantasy (if he wins, it has no other choice but to be a complete rape since he's probably so pissed right now) and wins the OSL... how can you call the OSL winner slumping?


lol wtf u cant say jd losing to fantasy = slump
thats like saying bisu losing to jd = bisu slumping
-_-;
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 13 2009 12:50 GMT
#578
you guys should stop making excuses for Jaedong and just call it a fair loss
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
][-][eretic
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada395 Posts
August 13 2009 12:50 GMT
#579
On August 13 2009 18:48 pokerface wrote:
there is something wrong with my internet?none of the streams works for me.


There's something wrong with my internet too. I woke up today to see that JD lost a bo5 ZvZ series :o
Hi :)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 13 2009 12:54 GMT
#580
well this is pretty funny
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 12:57:40
August 13 2009 12:56 GMT
#581
On August 13 2009 20:21 genryou wrote:
Is Jaedong slumping? Or does the era of his domination has finally came to an end?


He isn't, he just had to prepare for a lot of different matchups and strats:

Last week of July/First week of August:
(Z)Jaedong had to practice to play vs (T)Canata (both MnM and mech, has been using wraiths a lot since (T)PianO rediscovered them), vs (Z)ZerO (one of the most boring zergs ever), vs (Z)EffOrt's S class ZvZ and vs (T)sKyHigh who is just on fire and is able to cheese you. Oh and vs a no-name zerg named (Z)Orion, but JD most likely didn't practice at all, since after winning Day 1 he just had to be ready for EffOrt and Skyhigh in the Ace matches.

Out of these games, JD lost set 4 of the MSL day 2 to Canata who just looked demoralized, and fell to Orion's mindgames because his head wasn't set for the game. Heck, he looked just like every Set 1 in a Bo3 JD has ever played, or like the recent (Z)sAviOr.


2nd week of August:
OZ vs SKT T1 Grand Finals:
JD had to practice for game 1 against (T)fantasy, who is possibly the most hyped player due to being the "next" terran in the SKT legacy, and JD had to prepare to face either an (T)Oov macro-oriented build, a (T)BoxeR micro cheese OR fantasy's very own build, on a map which allowed just about anything including fast tech switches for terran (something that you rarely expect, and more rarely see since on big maps like God's Garden you can just scout the new expo and see if your opponent is focusing on gas or minerals).

After practicing so much against so many possible strats in only ONE match vs fantasy, I'd expect JD to have gone on a lighter practice schedule to tackle (Z)Hyuk on Day 2.

I mean, "getting Hyuk'd" has become a standard term to define failure and noobish mistakes, Jaedong was confident in his JvZ that he went for 12hatch, the build which would have allowed him to just run over Hyuk with his trademark muta harass.

Unfortunately, one of the SKT coaches guessed JD's strat, and watching the unmicroed lings sit at JD's nat just reminded me of (Z)MuMyung.

Taking the fact that JD would have been OZ's ace player, the OZ coaches most likely had him practice AGAIN vs (T)fantasy OR vs (P)Bisu, who are without the shadow of a doubt the number 2 and number 3-to-5 players in the world right now.

JD's spider senses were still resting from the Batoo OSL finals and he turned his ovie around just as it was about to scout fantasy's forward rax, thinking that he'd be facing a 1rax terran who was keeping his minerals possibly to expand at his mineral only to go heavy MnM later on, Jaedong did not expect the rush and fell to it.

If there is a flaw in JD's gameplay, other than he'd much rather go mass-whateverunithewasusing than switch tech, is that he sucks at rushing and fails even worse when he's being rushed. Something you'd just never expect from a micro-oriented aggressive zerg.

5 days (it was just 5 days, who would have thought?) after recovering from the losses and all the psychological pressure which ultimately didn't lead to success, JD had to face (Z)Calm, who seems to have finally bloomed in the last round of this PL season, has had plenty of time to go on a 2-week vacation and who since Luxury's slump has secured his spot as the number 3 ZvZ in the world.
Or possibly number 2, since Calm DID actually beat EffOrt very recently, on the 23rd of July once and on the 30th twice, bringing their record against eachother to 3-1 in favor of the guy with the glasses.



And after studying all these different playstyles he'd have to face tomorrow JD will have to play (T)fantasy, yet again...


(my fingers... they hurt... )
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 13 2009 13:00 GMT
#582
hahaha im seriously laughing that jaedong lost to clam

i love jaedong but this rules so much
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
August 13 2009 13:11 GMT
#583
I totally didn't realize these games were today. This is the possible best thing ever.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure fantasy is now dead. And I really wanted to see Yarnc vs fantasy.
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joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
August 13 2009 13:13 GMT
#584
LOLWUT WUT WUT
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
August 13 2009 13:16 GMT
#585
HIGH FIVE! Liquibet FTW

Vote with the heart, boys. Vote with the heart.
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Keidy
Profile Joined June 2009
253 Posts
August 13 2009 13:18 GMT
#586
I also belive JD have put all his focus on tomorrows game vs Fantasy.

Its simply impossible to preper for two different bo 5 series.
Now hopefully, JD comes well prepared for the ZvT and it should be some epic games.
Will he win, im not so sure. Jaedong have been pushed to the limit this season, and all his games might have been to much.

I hope not, and my heart is with Jaedong, but my money on Fantasy.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 13 2009 13:20 GMT
#587
I'm really not even mad right now, did you see Jaedong's micro, absolutely flawless. Plus champions win the osl, if I gave a sh*t about the msl I'd be a bisu fan; this rough patch will all be forgotten when Jaedong wins his golden mouse (also, I like calm, 3rd favorite player)
And --->r33k, did you just call Zero boring? wtf...
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 13 2009 13:27 GMT
#588
Jaedong, losing a BO5, AGAINST A ZERG NO LESS?

Hahahahahah. That's kinda funny. And sad.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 13 2009 13:27 GMT
#589
JAEDONG IS BONJWA
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 13 2009 13:29 GMT
#590
I didn't watch the games, and it might just be that JD didn't practice for this, but I think the days of JvZ are over. It seems the top Zergs have gotten too good (probably from studying JD's games) for JD to win despite being at a BO disadvantage any more. It's going to suck if ZvZ between the top Zergs gets more luck-based; I used to enjoy watching JD pull off crazy wins against everyone.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
August 13 2009 13:30 GMT
#591
On August 13 2009 22:20 n.DieJokes wrote:
I'm really not even mad right now, did you see Jaedong's micro, absolutely flawless. Plus champions win the osl, if I gave a sh*t about the msl I'd be a bisu fan; this rough patch will all be forgotten when Jaedong wins his golden mouse (also, I like calm, 3rd favorite player)
And --->r33k, did you just call Zero boring? wtf...

lol sorry but i just can't stand watching Zero and by.hero unless it's a FPVOD of by.hero...

Old sAviOr fans will definitely understand...
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
August 13 2009 13:35 GMT
#592
On August 13 2009 20:18 cablesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.


Come on. Getting fooled by hidden lings a couple times. Getting owned twice by +1 Mutas. Even that first game that Jaedong won could have been had by Calm if he didn't split his ling forces.

JD hasn't played a "good" game since before the Pro League Finals. Think about it. Lost to Fantasy twice, despite being decidedly ahead in game one on Outsider (way ahead after Fantasy screwed up the sunken break). He lost to Hyuk on a greedy build order. And 4 games against Calm where JD was out-thought and out-maneuvered. Jaedong is 1-6 since he made the "Week of Jaedong" comment.

So yeah, I think he needs to play a lot better if he wants to get by a top-of-the-world Fantasy that has done nothing but focus, scheme, and practice for Jaedong for the past few days.


You might be on to something.

Also, a reenactment of the series
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 13 2009 13:35 GMT
#593
The best part was when Jaedong lost to Calm
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 13 2009 13:41 GMT
#594
On August 13 2009 22:35 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 20:18 cablesc wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 13 2009 20:06 cablesc wrote:
Jaedong is going to get rolled if he brings this level of play vs Fantasy.

Fantasy Fighting.


I really don't understand posts like this. JD (with the possible exception of game 2) really didn't make any mistakes. Sure, he's not playing at 120% like he usually is, but he wasn't by any means bad today.


Come on. Getting fooled by hidden lings a couple times. Getting owned twice by +1 Mutas. Even that first game that Jaedong won could have been had by Calm if he didn't split his ling forces.

JD hasn't played a "good" game since before the Pro League Finals. Think about it. Lost to Fantasy twice, despite being decidedly ahead in game one on Outsider (way ahead after Fantasy screwed up the sunken break). He lost to Hyuk on a greedy build order. And 4 games against Calm where JD was out-thought and out-maneuvered. Jaedong is 1-6 since he made the "Week of Jaedong" comment.

So yeah, I think he needs to play a lot better if he wants to get by a top-of-the-world Fantasy that has done nothing but focus, scheme, and practice for Jaedong for the past few days.


You might be on to something.

Also, a reenactment of the series

Jaedong was taking a page out of Bisu's "Let me boast about myself as arrogantly as I can" mentality, only he was boasting even more than Bisu, because he felt even more invincible than Bisu has ever felt.

Firebathero, in the last MSL, also said that he would be the one to throw Jaedong into a permanent slump. He got knocked out by Jaedong that very MSL.

Savior said, going into the GOMTV S1 Finals that Bisu's biggest mistake was choosing Protoss as a race.

As we can see from history, bragging about oneself too much is generally bad karma
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 13:43:57
August 13 2009 13:43 GMT
#595
Despite the fact that Jaedong was never officially bonjwa, the possibility of him entering a slump sure feels like another bonjwa stepping down.

There's no dispute that he was* the best player for God knows how many months now.

*just noticed I used past tense.. o_o
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 13 2009 13:47 GMT
#596
On August 13 2009 22:43 niteReloaded wrote:
Despite the fact that Jaedong was never officially bonjwa, the possibility of him entering a slump sure feels like another bonjwa stepping down.

There's no dispute that he was* the best player for God knows how many months now.

*just noticed I used past tense.. o_o

Like 3 or 4 months. Bisu was dominant for a far longer period of time in 2007, and nobody called him a bonjwa.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 13:52:38
August 13 2009 13:51 GMT
#597
nobody called him a bonjwa lol

I wonder how many threads show up when you search for "bisu bonjwa"

EDIT: yep, 20+ pages
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 13 2009 13:53 GMT
#598
What just happened here.
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
August 13 2009 13:55 GMT
#599
Wasn't this last year dominated by Jaedong and Bisu. Sure they didn't win all the individual leagues, but their win/loss ratio was ridiculous.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 13 2009 13:57 GMT
#600
I really don't know how Jaedong could be in good shape tomorrow after the match today...
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
August 13 2009 13:58 GMT
#601
On August 13 2009 22:57 GoSu wrote:
I really don't know how Jaedong could be in good shape tomorrow after the match today...

Yeah and even if he had won, he still wasted time preparing ZvZ while Fantasy only trains for tomorrow.
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
August 13 2009 14:00 GMT
#602
On August 13 2009 22:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 22:57 GoSu wrote:
I really don't know how Jaedong could be in good shape tomorrow after the match today...

Yeah and even if he had won, he still wasted time preparing ZvZ while Fantasy only trains for tomorrow.


And sleeps.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
August 13 2009 14:02 GMT
#603
hmm im hoping JD lost because he was practicing mainly for the OSL.



as for Calm.. fighting~!
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
TheTeamLiquidTiger
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 13 2009 14:04 GMT
#604
i think JD is still recovering from that PL shutout by fantasy
must've been rly brutal
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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 13 2009 14:07 GMT
#605
it's true that jaedong was not the undisputed #1 very often at all recently. still, people love to call slump on players that they hate for whatever reason. it's especially strange to see people hating on players that have elevated the game like jaedong, bisu, and flash. calm is obviously an innovative player and it's good to see something somewhat new in ZvZ.

looking through PR jaedong doesn't have as many #1 spots as you would think. he was, however, #1 or #2 behind flash (or sea lol) from january 2008 until november 2008, and taken as a whole he's been the dominant player of this year so far.

after tomorrow he'll have played at least 11 games against fantasy in 2009 lol
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 14:12:14
August 13 2009 14:08 GMT
#606
On August 13 2009 23:02 imperfect wrote:
hmm im hoping JD lost because he was practicing mainly for the OSL.



as for Calm.. fighting~!

Yeah, that must be it.


From:
(Milhouse: Oh! Oh! Oh! Bart! Bart! Bart! Over here! Over here!
Bart: Uuum..... I'll take... Nelson
Milhouse: Saving the best for last, huh Bart?
Bart: Yeah, that must be it.
)




On August 13 2009 23:09 Presony-Boy wrote:
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On August 13 2009 22:16 dcberkeley wrote:
HIGH FIVE! Liquibet FTW

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Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 14:10:29
August 13 2009 14:09 GMT
#607
On August 13 2009 22:16 dcberkeley wrote:
HIGH FIVE! Liquibet FTW

Vote with the heart, boys. Vote with the heart.

oh yeah!

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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 13 2009 14:23 GMT
#608
Some of you Anti JD douches (cough* terrans *cough) need to stop rooting for Calm just because Calm is facing JD. Especially when some of you don't cheer for Calm for other matches. I myself actually root for Calm when he's facing other players
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 14:29 GMT
#609
On August 13 2009 23:23 AzureEye wrote:
Some of you Anti JD douches (cough* terrans *cough) need to stop rooting for Calm just because Calm is facing JD. Especially when some of you don't cheer for Calm for other matches. I myself actually root for Calm when he's facing other players

Why douches? I simpy do not like Jaedong same as I do not like sAviOr altough I'm a zerg player, I love NaDa, iloveoov and some of the retired players like ChOJJa, rA, GF, JJu etc, because they were specific and charismatic players, that's all about it :D
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 13 2009 14:37 GMT
#610
Sigh.
Will JD never win a MSL?
Unless the GomTV MBC Starleague counted as one... lol
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Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
August 13 2009 14:39 GMT
#611
wut
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
August 13 2009 14:43 GMT
#612
Am I the only one who isn't very surprised by the result?
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
August 13 2009 14:55 GMT
#613
Nope. Calm has been really good for several seasons now in PL. Nice to see him in a Individual League Final for once.
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
August 13 2009 14:55 GMT
#614
jaedong nooooo
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
August 13 2009 14:56 GMT
#615
On August 13 2009 23:37 ghrur wrote:
Sigh.
Will JD never win a MSL?
Unless the GomTV MBC Starleague counted as one... lol

Why wouldn't it?
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
August 13 2009 14:59 GMT
#616
an unexpected result for me :O, I knew calm was always 'on fire' every season, but this season he truly out-done himself.

Now I seriously want Clam to take MSL (yay one more trophy for STX besides July)

Oh well atleast the STX fans have something to be happy about
it's been a while since STX fans were happy D:
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
August 13 2009 15:00 GMT
#617
On August 13 2009 23:43 KizZBG wrote:
Am I the only one who isn't very surprised by the result?

im not surprised either, im a huge JD fan but in the last 30 games he has had around 50% win ratio... thats really bad for him

so i didn't see him winning this at all... I still hope he gets his shit together before facing fantasy, but it probably won't happen =[

last time his win ratio dropped that low it took him about a month to recover

actually last time he had a bad month, i added him to my fantasy anti-team, and let's just say that was a very VERY bad idea
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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
August 13 2009 15:06 GMT
#618
After losing vs Orion and Hyuk you can't really expect JD's '80% ZvZ or JvZ' form. Sad.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 15:09 GMT
#619
Definitely lost quite a bit of faith in JD lately.
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 15:24:49
August 13 2009 15:24 GMT
#620
Jaedong finally lost a zvz BOx in a kespa sanctioned match.
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Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
August 13 2009 15:29 GMT
#621
Haha! Woot! I love you Jaedong, but other zergs need to shine every once in a while~

Please Calm! Win this MSL~
this is my quote.
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 15:32:40
August 13 2009 15:30 GMT
#622
It reminds me that kinda slump Flash had 2008 Q1 , he was in MSL and OSL semis, and lost both in two weeks, apart from losing Averatech Intel Classic vs JD in a surprising 3-0 way

And fantasy comes tomorrow, really everything comes in a bad moment for the tyrant


BTW, Calm is available in the "free agency" period, so better STX get money from their budget to maintain this valuable player

Well. STX need no money, they have their secret weapon to keep Calm in team happy

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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 13 2009 15:36 GMT
#623
damn it, in regards to Liquibet I really wanted to change my vote after I saw JD's performance in Proleague. I think Fantasy is going to take him out too.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
August 13 2009 15:48 GMT
#624
You know when you look at old single leagues from like four five years ago and you think about the people in the finals and you are like "Who are these people?"


Calm and probably Kwanro? WHat?
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
August 13 2009 15:52 GMT
#625
I think the main reason I hate JD was the ZvZ dominance just seemed so unfair. The matchup is the weirdest in Starcraft by far; it's almost like a different game, so I disliked how he seemed to have such an advantage in tournaments and proleagues by basically having auto wins in the most annoying and least interesting matchup.

Glad to see that has eroded a little at least.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
August 13 2009 15:54 GMT
#626
On August 14 2009 00:48 cgrinker wrote:
You know when you look at old single leagues from like four five years ago and you think about the people in the finals and you are like "Who are these people?"


Calm and probably Kwanro? WHat?

iris is the favorite over kwanro imo
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
August 13 2009 16:01 GMT
#627
Omg............fucking Calm denying us of a JD vs Iris finals =(

Oh well. Hopefully JD was practicing his heart out for OSL in order to get that golden mouse. Iris you better win the damn semis. Nobody wants to watch a lame Calm vs Kwanro finals lol.
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vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
August 13 2009 16:10 GMT
#628
On August 14 2009 00:52 SimonB wrote:
I think the main reason I hate JD was the ZvZ dominance just seemed so unfair. The matchup is the weirdest in Starcraft by far; it's almost like a different game, so I disliked how he seemed to have such an advantage in tournaments and proleagues by basically having auto wins in the most annoying and least interesting matchup.

Glad to see that has eroded a little at least.



zvz is maybe the hardest match in all starcraft (tvz and zvt are too ) . the most stressing match , the most micro match , the most "one gling make the game" match .

you should love jaedong for that , he successed in the hardest match up and in the biggest way possible .

i just hate Zergs with bad zvz ( kwanro , effort , luxury .. ) .

i loved calm for a while now , even i cried this morning for my jaedong , calm really really really played well , REALLY better than effort will ever do . zvz is getting harder and harder this times , and i think there will be notable changes in the near future . one player dominance is getting more and more impossible .

lets see about OSL and next season .
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imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
August 13 2009 16:12 GMT
#629
ouch jaedong
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hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
August 13 2009 16:12 GMT
#630
CALM BABY for the MSL
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
August 13 2009 16:23 GMT
#631
Props to Calm.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8092 Posts
August 13 2009 16:25 GMT
#632
Calm <3


he played so well. I'm so proud of him for making it to the finals.

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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
August 13 2009 16:27 GMT
#633
I have a hard time letting this go - I feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel soo much for Jaedong. I'm just so afraid for him..

I'm sure calm played a great series (havnt watched yet), but I just cant help but feel afraid..

JD I STILL BELIVE! LEE JAEDONG HWATING!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 13 2009 16:30 GMT
#634
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 13 2009 16:31 GMT
#635
On August 13 2009 23:37 ghrur wrote:
Sigh.
Will JD never win a MSL?
Unless the GomTV MBC Starleague counted as one... lol

Jaedong already won an MSL...
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
August 13 2009 16:34 GMT
#636
GOD damn jaedong slumping for rela!!!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 13 2009 16:37 GMT
#637
"Jaedong's not 100%! He would win if he had practice time!"

Please, every top player has to deal with conflicting practice schedules. If he was good enough, if he was B-word material, he'd deal with it and make both finals. But he couldn't so he's not that level -- its nothing to be ashamed about, nobody is that good nowadays.

As for practicing for a ZvZ Bo5, Jaedong has been practicing all season on these maps ZvZ. Jaedong's ZvZ has slipped, and Calm played great. Give credit to Calm for winning, and stop putting it all on practice time differential.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 16:40 GMT
#638
On August 14 2009 01:10 vaMpYr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 00:52 SimonB wrote:
I think the main reason I hate JD was the ZvZ dominance just seemed so unfair. The matchup is the weirdest in Starcraft by far; it's almost like a different game, so I disliked how he seemed to have such an advantage in tournaments and proleagues by basically having auto wins in the most annoying and least interesting matchup.

Glad to see that has eroded a little at least.



zvz is maybe the hardest match in all starcraft (tvz and zvt are too ) . the most stressing match , the most micro match , the most "one gling make the game" match .

you should love jaedong for that , he successed in the hardest match up and in the biggest way possible .

i just hate Zergs with bad zvz ( kwanro , effort , luxury .. ) .

i loved calm for a while now , even i cried this morning for my jaedong , calm really really really played well , REALLY better than effort will ever do . zvz is getting harder and harder this times , and i think there will be notable changes in the near future . one player dominance is getting more and more impossible .

lets see about OSL and next season .


ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

Effort has over 60% in EVERY matchup. He's beaten Jaedong in a BO3. He handily DEMOLISHED Great in the Ace match of the 2nd CJ-KHAN match. Effort's got great ZvZ (obviously not as good as JD, losing to him in the CJ-Oz matches), and he's got great everything. The only reason Calm is currently looking better is because he had a significantly easier road to the finals. What the fuck have you been smoking dude?
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
August 13 2009 16:46 GMT
#639
Jaedong should have lost the first game, maybe then he would have won.
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uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
August 13 2009 16:54 GMT
#640
Holy craaaaap Calm is gonna win this MSL! O man he totally owned JD.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8092 Posts
August 13 2009 16:58 GMT
#641
This is probably the best ZvZ series I've ever watched.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 13 2009 17:01 GMT
#642
Really surprised by that result. Was expecting Jaedong taking it 3:0 or 3:1... Not this. But I'm glad that Calm made it. I hope now that Iris will be the 2nd finalist.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 13 2009 17:02 GMT
#643
Jaedong why
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
August 13 2009 17:02 GMT
#644
i wanna think that jaedong was more focused on practicing for his matches against fantasy, and didnt put enough effort into this bo5...
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
August 13 2009 17:05 GMT
#645
On August 14 2009 02:02 3 Lions wrote:
Jaedong why

Whyyyyy......
yoofor
Profile Joined December 2007
United States143 Posts
August 13 2009 17:05 GMT
#646
On August 14 2009 01:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 01:10 vaMpYr wrote:
On August 14 2009 00:52 SimonB wrote:
I think the main reason I hate JD was the ZvZ dominance just seemed so unfair. The matchup is the weirdest in Starcraft by far; it's almost like a different game, so I disliked how he seemed to have such an advantage in tournaments and proleagues by basically having auto wins in the most annoying and least interesting matchup.

Glad to see that has eroded a little at least.



zvz is maybe the hardest match in all starcraft (tvz and zvt are too ) . the most stressing match , the most micro match , the most "one gling make the game" match .

you should love jaedong for that , he successed in the hardest match up and in the biggest way possible .

i just hate Zergs with bad zvz ( kwanro , effort , luxury .. ) .

i loved calm for a while now , even i cried this morning for my jaedong , calm really really really played well , REALLY better than effort will ever do . zvz is getting harder and harder this times , and i think there will be notable changes in the near future . one player dominance is getting more and more impossible .

lets see about OSL and next season .


ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

Effort has over 60% in EVERY matchup. He's beaten Jaedong in a BO3. He handily DEMOLISHED Great in the Ace match of the 2nd CJ-KHAN match. Effort's got great ZvZ (obviously not as good as JD, losing to him in the CJ-Oz matches), and he's got great everything. The only reason Calm is currently looking better is because he had a significantly easier road to the finals. What the fuck have you been smoking dude?


He is clearly too blinded by his fanboyism for calm to appreciate other zerg players as well. (Not to deny calm's great performance this series though)
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 13 2009 17:07 GMT
#647
On August 13 2009 19:57 WindCalibur wrote:
I'm afraid that Jaedong might really be in a slump if he manages to lose to Fantasy tommorow. Jaedong should realize that practice efficiency is just as important as how much he practices. Sleeping less for practice might not have better results than if he sleep more and practice a bit less.


Apparently, he didn't read Boxer's biography where he learned that lesson for himself
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 13 2009 17:09 GMT
#648
Boxer's biography is like The Holy Bible and Boxer himself is Jesus Christ.

JD wasn't being a good child.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
August 13 2009 17:11 GMT
#649
lol first Bisu, now Jaedong.

Where are your bonjwas!!!!
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KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
August 13 2009 17:20 GMT
#650
On August 14 2009 02:02 UGC4 wrote:
i wanna think that jaedong was more focused on practicing for his matches against fantasy, and didnt put enough effort into this bo5...


You're only the 247th person to suggest this..
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ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 13 2009 17:35 GMT
#651
Such high standards for the Dong.
He is human, after all.
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Zinfandel
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada115 Posts
August 13 2009 17:46 GMT
#652
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. The case for Jaedong as Bonjwa is getting weaker and weaker.
gaggar
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada118 Posts
August 13 2009 17:53 GMT
#653
confidence plays big part in mind games... jd now looks shriveled and uncomfortable.


let's see if he can make a return...
Zinfandel
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada115 Posts
August 13 2009 17:55 GMT
#654
On August 14 2009 02:53 gaggar wrote:
confidence plays big part in mind games... jd now looks shriveled and uncomfortable.


let's see if he can make a return...


HAHA. The Dong is shriveled and uncomfortable. I hope he gets hard again!
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 17:59:42
August 13 2009 17:58 GMT
#655
I'm sure the Dong is spending all day today straightening up so he can rape fantasy.

Edit: And I think the key to Calm winning here was letting JD win the first match.
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
August 13 2009 17:58 GMT
#656
On August 14 2009 02:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
lol first Bisu, now Jaedong.

Where are your bonjwas!!!!

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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
August 13 2009 18:00 GMT
#657
On August 14 2009 02:46 Zinfandel wrote:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. The case for Jaedong as Bonjwa is getting weaker and weaker.

He can still win the OSL, which will be by all means amazing. But even if he is in the beginning of slump, it will be his first down point as a progamer till now, damn Jaedong is so consistent
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 13 2009 18:01 GMT
#658
CALM FOR THE MSL!
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:07:56
August 13 2009 18:07 GMT
#659
On August 14 2009 02:46 Zinfandel wrote:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. The case for Jaedong as Bonjwa is getting weaker and weaker.


The case is completely destroyed.

On August 14 2009 02:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
lol first Bisu, now Jaedong.

Where are your bonjwas!!!!


The last one died with this new generation of gamers. >.>
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Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 13 2009 18:12 GMT
#660
Jae needs to stop playing the Friends and Family sc2 alpha, it's hurting his Broodwar game!
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8092 Posts
August 13 2009 18:14 GMT
#661
On August 13 2009 19:28 GTR wrote:
omg
they call him brain zerg for a reason



Is this what his nickname is now? fitting :D
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levelzx
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Poland174 Posts
August 13 2009 18:18 GMT
#662
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#663
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...
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MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:38:38
August 13 2009 18:37 GMT
#664
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 18:41 GMT
#665
On August 14 2009 03:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:18 levelzx wrote:
Jaedong looked very tired during this series. The best thing he can do to beat Fantasy is get some good, long sleep at night before the match. If he is going to practice like crazy, he'll get toasted.

And if Calm is going to play Iris... Calm's most recent stats in ZvT are awesome. If it's going to be Kwanro... well, he already beat tougher Zerg than CJ's player. Though I'm rooting for Berserker I can totally see STX's kid taking the title.


I don't know. Iris is DESTROYING people lately, taking down Effort (who can still be considered better than calm) and taking down Bisu. Iris is on a rampage and it doesn't look like he's gonna stop, especially if he wins GOM...



Yes but keep in mind Effort-Iris is a inter-team battle which have always held wonky results and Effort didn't practice for the match at all. (Not to take away from Iris or anything just saying effort was practicing for more important things)

Then we also have the fact Iris will have to practice for both TvZ and TvT because he'll be playing flash in the Gom finals and Iris has already shown that he will practice for Gom.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#666
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 18:42:57
August 13 2009 18:42 GMT
#667
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#668
Calm? Really? Are you serious?

Iris vs Jaedong dream finals ruined. Argh...

This is what happens when you're as good as Jaedong - you end up playing way too many games than you can possibly prepare for. It's a curse.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:02 GMT
#669
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 13 2009 19:11 GMT
#670
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?
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sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
August 13 2009 19:13 GMT
#671
On August 14 2009 03:42 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


uh... Savior's worst MU was his ZvZ and before this game Jaedong's ZvZ was 77% that is not luck.


Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:42 crucifix wrote:
People saying ZvZ is all about luck makes me fucking angry.
OMG RAGEEEEEEEEEEE


yeah >_<





he was being facetious. no one wants to give calm credit itt
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
August 13 2009 19:23 GMT
#672
calm winning = luck/other player was tired
jd winning = just being the better player

seriously, calm won, stop making excuses
calm won today by outsmarting jd, and u need more than luck to beat jd in a Bo5 series (especially since its zvz)
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 13 2009 19:24 GMT
#673
Jaedong..you must stop winning your first game
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 13 2009 19:28 GMT
#674
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


ugh ~_~ chojja was a ZvZ beast back in the days
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 13 2009 19:31 GMT
#675
oh wow was calm crying after the games? damn, grats to him, must've practiced his ass off

poor jd though, my heart goes out to him.

it really better not be calm vs kwanro finals
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#676
Anyone notice how Calm had a perfect strategy for an overpool vs 12 pool, even on maps with long rush distances? If his strategy is viable, i.e. not hard counters, then I suspect we'll see a change from more eco BOs in ZvZ into mostly 9 pool and variants.
Jaedong
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#677
On August 14 2009 04:11 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 04:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.


Actually, there's NO luck in ZvZ. It's pure micro ability and decision making. BO's are not luck - it's your fault if you choose a BO that is easily countered and you don't scout to make sure that you're safe. There's no luck because it isn't random chance - it's purely up to the two player's decisions.

are you joking?


No. People love to throw around the word "luck" as an excuse as to why people lose, but they hardly know the definition of it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
August 13 2009 19:39 GMT
#678
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?
Liquipedia
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#679
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?

I don't think so. People usually post stuff like this when they're mad, but he doesn't seem to be angry at all, so I think it's just a troll (or a parody).
Jaedong
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 19:44 GMT
#680
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?


it was serious alright he just doesn't want to give calm credit because he is a jaedong fanboy.
Hi.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 19:46 GMT
#681
On August 14 2009 04:44 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?


it was serious alright he just doesn't want to give calm credit because he is a jaedong fanboy.

In this thread I count at least 5 pre-emptive posts that say, INB4 Fanboy excuses, and 1 post with fanboy excuses. That's obnoxious.
Jaedong
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
August 13 2009 19:49 GMT
#682
Jaedong?!!! Holy shit!
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
August 13 2009 19:50 GMT
#683
On August 14 2009 04:44 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 04:39 Jonvvv wrote:
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

wow...just...is this a serious post or not?


it was serious alright he just doesn't want to give calm credit because he is a jaedong fanboy.


wrong
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
August 13 2009 19:54 GMT
#684
To everyone complaining about Calm being lucky, I thought that he wasn't. He played smart and his choices just beat Jaedong's.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 13 2009 20:00 GMT
#685
aaah.. the drama. I'm so sad right now
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 20:29:28
August 13 2009 20:04 GMT
#686
calms zvz was below 50% only a few weeks ago, its hard to believe he beat effort 3-0 and jaedong 3-1
wtf elo
IRIS BETTER BEAT KWANRO, CALM V KWANRO WOULD BE TERRIBLE
edit: wow nice predictions, you got every single game on every map backwards
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
August 13 2009 20:18 GMT
#687
On August 14 2009 04:54 deathgod6 wrote:
To everyone complaining about Calm being lucky, I thought that he wasn't. He played smart and his choices just beat Jaedong's.

KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 13 2009 20:26 GMT
#688
I don't see anyone complaining about Calm being lucky, or making up excuses for JD losing. Maybe just one or two people. What the hell are you guys talking about?
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
August 13 2009 20:31 GMT
#689
Could this be a sign that JD is on a slump?
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
August 13 2009 20:40 GMT
#690
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
August 13 2009 20:47 GMT
#691
On August 14 2009 05:31 Tekin wrote:
Could this be a sign that JD is on a slump?


no
Zinfandel
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada115 Posts
August 13 2009 21:25 GMT
#692
On August 14 2009 05:47 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 05:31 Tekin wrote:
Could this be a sign that JD is on a slump?


no


I hope you're joking. It's obvious that The Dong is in a slump. He got kicked out of Gom TV, lost the proleague finals for his team, and just got kicked out of the MSL. He is in a slump because he was the favorite to win Gom and the MSL, and people were expecting him to beat Hyuk and at least get to the Super Ace Match and win it for Oz. Anyone who thinks The Dong is not in a slump (as of right now; it can turn around if he wins the OSL) is in denial.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 21:29:43
August 13 2009 21:28 GMT
#693
He's overworked, completely overworked.


He's been broken.


Look at his face after Calm defeated him. I don't see how he can win against Fantasy tonight.
We decide our own destiny
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
August 13 2009 21:28 GMT
#694
Tomorrow we will see if this is a real slump or not.
ggaemo fan
Zinfandel
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada115 Posts
August 13 2009 21:35 GMT
#695
On August 14 2009 06:28 valaki wrote:
Tomorrow we will see if this is a real slump or not.


This is a slump. Tomorrow we'll see if he breaks out of the slump. There's a distinction there. There's nothing wrong with being in a slump... it only makes him human...
MrMoose
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada176 Posts
August 13 2009 21:38 GMT
#696
On August 14 2009 03:37 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
ZvZ is all luck. This means nothing. (Z)sAviOr lost to (Z)ChoJJa. (Z)Jaedong is best Zerg. He got unlucky. He was too tired. He was practicing against (T)fantasy.

It wasn't his fault. His mouse ran out of battery power. He lost a key on his keyboard. He didn't have his spare keys. His outfit was itchy. His girlfriend dumped him. Someone shined a laser-pointer in his eyes. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T HIS FAULT I SWEAR TO GOD!!!
When in doubt, lubricate!
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 13 2009 21:41 GMT
#697
Cmon Jae, beat fantasy tonite!
Chance favors the prepared mind.
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
August 13 2009 21:47 GMT
#698
Man with JD in a slump who knows what will happen, JD Oz can't be JD Oz with a slumping frontman.
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dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 21:57 GMT
#699
Is he really in a slump? The past 10 games he played were against tough opponents in Finals situations. His opponents just outplayed him. There are many players out there who lost 7 out of their last 10, but we do call them slumping?

But then again, this is JD. And JD gets treated differently. Hope he whoops fantasy tonight.

PS- only reason calm 3:0 effort was because effort 12 hatch/pool 3 games in a row. zzz
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2009 21:57 GMT
#700
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.
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dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 13 2009 22:11 GMT
#701
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 13 2009 22:12 GMT
#702
On August 14 2009 06:57 dl2agon wrote:
Is he really in a slump? The past 10 games he played were against tough opponents in Finals situations. His opponents just outplayed him. There are many players out there who lost 7 out of their last 10, but we do call them slumping?

But then again, this is JD. And JD gets treated differently. Hope he whoops fantasy tonight.

PS- only reason calm 3:0 effort was because effort 12 hatch/pool 3 games in a row. zzz


Yes, because he isn't performing like he used to. He used to dominate people, even in a finals situation. Now he's dropping games to people he should DEFINITELY beat, especially in his "godmode" matchup.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 13 2009 22:13 GMT
#703
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?
Jaedong
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
August 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#704
It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours. Even then it remains to be seen how big the slump is.

It looks to me that Jadong is just running out of steam. He was exhausted a few weeks ago and his schedule hasn't gotten any easier in the meantime. Running deep into GOM+MSL+OSL+PL has just worn him out.

If he can get past Fanstasy he'll have time to recover.
The Problem is that he has to get pas Fantasy.

Hope the Dong is sleeping well.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 13 2009 22:33 GMT
#705
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
August 13 2009 22:52 GMT
#706
Calm is such a beast, I love how he is thinking outside of the box with such aggressive builds/moves. Guess I have to add another zerg player to my "must watch every game" list.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 22:56:42
August 13 2009 22:56 GMT
#707
Jaedong to KT please! :D. Haha. Flash and JD can support each other in PL and dominate the individuals together. Flash + JD + ForGG + Lux + Violet... a man can dream right?

And honestly, as a Flash fan, slump gets thrown around way too much. Players preform well and don't preform well. JD is being overworked, but I don't doubt his supreme skill. You can't win every league and sometimes when you're in all of them at once with no backup and all the fans breathing down your back, you can't win any of them. Even if he loses to Fantasy tonight (I hope he does so Yarnc can face Fantasy although in a vacuum I would want JD to win), there's no doubt in my mind who will bounce back and be dominate in next season. Fantasy may do well in individuals, but he's never been a PL star, which to me, and I think many fans, is an important sign of dominance in todays SC scene. I'm not saying that to bash on Fantasy, I'm just saying to me it's clear that even if JD drops everything this season, I don't doubt his skill. Xellos is in a slump, ForGG is in a slump, Boxer is in a slump. These guys play so far from their original level of skill. JD is not in a slump.. no player preforms well after being in GOM, PL Finals, MSL and OSL all at once and losing important games in GOM to an upstart ZvZ'er on a tear, and PL Finals twice to one of the most strategic players in the history of the game and with a BO loss in a ZvZ. JD can't carry the world on his shoulders and no player can.. he's overworked. It's really that simple.

So keep your head high JD fans. I say this without really being much of one, but he'll be fine regardless of beating or losing to Fantasy (although I think his chances of winning are much higher than people are acting like)...
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 13 2009 23:20 GMT
#708
Time for JD to come to army?
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 13 2009 23:36 GMT
#709
On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz


unless he goes to SKT
Hi.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
August 13 2009 23:44 GMT
#710
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

When he turns 26, his skills will inevitably worsen due to old age.

It's been shown time and time again that age does affect people's abilities to play Starcraft.

Assuming he/Starcraft lasts that long, he WILL get into a slump sooner or later. The question is how soon or how late.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7222 Posts
August 13 2009 23:47 GMT
#711
On August 14 2009 08:44 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?

When he turns 26, his skills will inevitably worsen due to old age.

It's been shown time and time again that age does affect people's abilities to play Starcraft.

Assuming he/Starcraft lasts that long, he WILL get into a slump sooner or later. The question is how soon or how late.



more like playing a computer game for 12 hrs a day that you know you cant play forever isnt as appealing anymore.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 14 2009 00:15 GMT
#712
On August 14 2009 08:36 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz


unless he goes to SKT

You mean KT, where careers go die.
Writerptrk
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 14 2009 00:25 GMT
#713
Holy shit so much fanboyism in this thread its amazing.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
August 14 2009 00:59 GMT
#714
Jaedong's been playing ZvZ on these maps all season long and with his mechanics it was quite possible that he would 3-0 Calm right off the bat without any training at all. ZvT/ZvP is another story, cause you have to be prepared for many different and I mean DIFFERENT strats, all kinds of proxy, bio, mech, wraiths, valks, reaver sair, 1 gate tech, goon push. That's the real challenge. But ZvZ ? It's the matchup players, especially Jaedong, got figured out the most. It's always lings and then mutas in varying proportions, you just have to pay attention to pool and spire timings. What more is there for Jaedong to train ? muta micro ? puuleeasseeeee... Jaedong got simply outsmarted today, no amount of additional training would change that. There was no mismicro nor noobish mistakes, it was Calm's decision making that won him the series. Muta fake in set 2, sniping two mutas with his first scourge and hiding lings. It seems like the builds were crafted perfectly to snipe Jaedong, but hey, it's up to the underdog to prepare something special for a series like this. Calm won fair and square
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
August 14 2009 01:02 GMT
#715
haha more_minerals
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 14 2009 01:14 GMT
#716
On August 14 2009 07:30 Eeevil wrote:
(1) It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours.
(2) Hope the Dong is sleeping well.


(1) Actually losing a couple of semis and a final doesn't necessarily mean a progamer is slumping. Slump is only appropriate to address a player who is losing a lot of games consecutively. So the answer to that question can only be known next season. As far as this season is concerned, Jaedong has been a beast since Day 1 but he just didn't have a happy ending (that is if he's losing to Fantasy today).

(2) I'm sure he was not. Someone seriously needs to slap this boy in the face telling him that cutting up a huge amount of sleep doesn't help winning at all. Of course before important games he might want to sleep a couple of hours less to prepare better. I don't blame him for that, because we all do it. But he has been cutting his sleep since the beginning of this season for fuck's sake. Now it's already too late to tell him to get some sleep, because there's only semi (and final) left and it's virtually impossible for one to sleep peacefully before such games. Coaches and managers should really plan their members' sleeping schedule better. If the players insist then just fucking kill off those hamsters and there goes the power.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
August 14 2009 01:20 GMT
#717
Well....that was unexpected. O.o

Never thought Jaedong would lose in a Bo5 ZvZ. At least Jaedong didn't lose by 12 hatching.
Anyways, Calm played smarter with his +1 Attack Ups/Hiding Lings. Kudos to him.

Hoping for an Iris v. Calm MSL Final. Will be interesting to watch in my opinion.

Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8092 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 01:48:15
August 14 2009 01:43 GMT
#718
There are so many posts in this thread where people are talking about how JD should sleep/rest more. Did he give an interview saying he didn't sleep much the last few days or is everyone here just totally assuming that because otherwise JD would NEVER lose right?

speaking of interviews did anyone translate the winner's interview yet? I would love to read it :D
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
August 14 2009 01:54 GMT
#719
lol prediction was exactly the opposite of results
fuck lag
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 14 2009 01:56 GMT
#720
Um, yeah, a short while ago he said in an interview that he was feeling very tired lately and cutting sleep and that was even before starleague semifinals and proleague finals.
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 14 2009 02:20 GMT
#721
On August 14 2009 10:14 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:30 Eeevil wrote:
(1) It's a good question if JD is slumping or not. We'll know the answer in a few hours.
(2) Hope the Dong is sleeping well.


(1) Actually losing a couple of semis and a final doesn't necessarily mean a progamer is slumping. Slump is only appropriate to address a player who is losing a lot of games consecutively. So the answer to that question can only be known next season. As far as this season is concerned, Jaedong has been a beast since Day 1 but he just didn't have a happy ending (that is if he's losing to Fantasy today).

(2) I'm sure he was not. Someone seriously needs to slap this boy in the face telling him that cutting up a huge amount of sleep doesn't help winning at all. Of course before important games he might want to sleep a couple of hours less to prepare better. I don't blame him for that, because we all do it. But he has been cutting his sleep since the beginning of this season for fuck's sake. Now it's already too late to tell him to get some sleep, because there's only semi (and final) left and it's virtually impossible for one to sleep peacefully before such games. Coaches and managers should really plan their members' sleeping schedule better. If the players insist then just fucking kill off those hamsters and there goes the power.


Agreed. Quit throwing the word slump around. Its like all the morons using the word epic everywhere.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
August 14 2009 02:21 GMT
#722
On August 14 2009 06:25 Zinfandel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 05:47 mog87 wrote:
On August 14 2009 05:31 Tekin wrote:
Could this be a sign that JD is on a slump?


no


I hope you're joking. It's obvious that The Dong is in a slump. He got kicked out of Gom TV, lost the proleague finals for his team, and just got kicked out of the MSL. He is in a slump because he was the favorite to win Gom and the MSL, and people were expecting him to beat Hyuk and at least get to the Super Ace Match and win it for Oz. Anyone who thinks The Dong is not in a slump (as of right now; it can turn around if he wins the OSL) is in denial.

Lol @ people thinking any progamer actually ever cared about GOM... Practicing for GOM is jokingly considered cheating among progamers, the only progamer who admitted practicing was Iris but he was going to face a teammate so it wasn't that big of a deal.

And also lol @ all the slumping Jaedong posts and posters...
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
August 14 2009 02:28 GMT
#723
On August 14 2009 11:21 r33k wrote:
Lol @ people thinking any progamer actually ever cared about GOM... Practicing for GOM is jokingly considered cheating among progamers, the only progamer who admitted practicing was Iris but he was going to face a teammate so it wasn't that big of a deal.


iirc, what Effort was ragging Iris about was practicing for GOM semis instead of/as well as the Proleague semis, and all indications seem to be that most are considering PL the biggest progaming stage right now. I don't think it was so much a case of "nobody cares" as it's a lesser priority. I'm expecting Iris to lose the GOM final just on the basis that he has MSL semis to practice for as well.

GOM doesn't have the prestige of the OSL or even the MSL, but I'm pretty sure people care somewhat, at least because of that paycheck.

On the other hand, if you want a tournament that evidently no one cares about, there's this thing called the Masters going on...
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
August 14 2009 02:35 GMT
#724
On August 14 2009 09:15 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 08:36 d(O.o)a wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:33 Jayme wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 14 2009 07:11 dl2agon wrote:
On August 14 2009 06:57 Shikyo wrote:
Now Oz should do their thing and trade Jaedong off because he's not winning everything.


If he gets traded, at least he'll be on a better team than Oz.

Lol, I hope you're kidding. What are the chances that Jaedong will "slump" forever?


That's the whole point. He gets out of his "slump" when he leaves Oz


unless he goes to SKT

You mean KT, where careers go die.


No... I mean SKT home of the failzergs.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 02:47:16
August 14 2009 02:45 GMT
#725

Lol @ people thinking any progamer actually ever cared about GOM... Practicing for GOM is jokingly considered cheating among progamers, the only progamer who admitted practicing was Iris but he was going to face a teammate so it wasn't that big of a deal.

And also lol @ all the slumping Jaedong posts and posters...


People that say this make me annoyed because they sound so fucking stupid. Not only does the GSL have BY FAR the biggest prize pool, you win a trip to Blizzcon by doing well in the tournament. The players definitely care about it, even if they have higher priorities (like the PL, which is the most important league in Korea).

Agreed. Quit throwing the word slump around. Its like all the morons using the word epic everywhere.


So how many games does he have to lose before he's considered in a slump? He was knocked out of the GSL by Effort, he's dropped games to the likes of Orion and Hyuk, he was handily owned twice by Fantasy, he was knocked out of the MSL by Calm....I mean really, does he have to lose 100 games in a row before people realize what's going on? The guy's slipping. He's tired, overworked, not sleeping enough. It's perfectly reasonable to say slump.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 14 2009 04:30 GMT
#726
Has anyone realized how in this series, overpool, early ling pressure, fast +1 atk works against any other BO?
Jaedong
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 04:46:37
August 14 2009 04:35 GMT
#727
shit...

edit: well I guess I shouldn't look to badly upon this loss. This just increased Iris' chance of winning greatly. JD is like the only person I can think of that can deal with all the weird play a Terran throws at them. Go Iris!
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
August 14 2009 09:29 GMT
#728
On August 14 2009 13:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Has anyone realized how in this series, overpool, early ling pressure, fast +1 atk works against any other BO?


Don't forget hiding troop count. It makes your opponent have to play guessing games almost.
So close, and yet so far
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
August 14 2009 10:55 GMT
#729
On August 14 2009 05:40 mog87 wrote:
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.

whats wrong with calm winning the msl?
its not like Bo5 vs effort and jaedong is easy (probably the 2 best zvz'ers, and calm beat them both)
dont use the 12 hatch excuse, its effort's fault

calm's road to the finals:
group: 2-0 (beat sea and zero)
Ro16: calm 2-0 forgg
Ro8: calm 3-0 effort
Ro4: calm 3-1 jaedong

if calm plays iris in the finals, and wins(also if loses), then its far from "the worst starleague season ever"
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 14 2009 12:03 GMT
#730
On August 14 2009 19:55 Presony-Boy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 05:40 mog87 wrote:
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.

whats wrong with calm winning the msl?
its not like Bo5 vs effort and jaedong is easy (probably the 2 best zvz'ers, and calm beat them both)
dont use the 12 hatch excuse, its effort's fault

calm's road to the finals:
group: 2-0 (beat sea and zero)
Ro16: calm 2-0 forgg
Ro8: calm 3-0 effort
Ro4: calm 3-1 jaedong

if calm plays iris in the finals, and wins(also if loses), then its far from "the worst starleague season ever"

Just curious, what was the worst star league season ever then ? (not saying this one is bad, was awesome in my opinion)

When Luxury won MSL? When July won OSL in 2008?
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 14 2009 12:48 GMT
#731
On August 14 2009 19:55 Presony-Boy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 05:40 mog87 wrote:
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.

whats wrong with calm winning the msl?
its not like Bo5 vs effort and jaedong is easy (probably the 2 best zvz'ers, and calm beat them both)
dont use the 12 hatch excuse, its effort's fault

calm's road to the finals:
group: 2-0 (beat sea and zero)
Ro16: calm 2-0 forgg
Ro8: calm 3-0 effort
Ro4: calm 3-1 jaedong

if calm plays iris in the finals, and wins(also if loses), then its far from "the worst starleague season ever"


all of calm's games have been entertaining and he's dominated them all

guy doesnt really get the spotlight cuz LOL ITS CLAM (even i ignore clam) but he's playing great starcraft right now and his games have been badass. so far, this has been a really cool MSL, especially paired with mo'fuckin iris in the semifinal
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
August 14 2009 12:56 GMT
#732
On August 14 2009 13:35 kNyTTyM wrote:
edit: well I guess I shouldn't look to badly upon this loss. This just increased Iris' chance of winning greatly. JD is like the only person I can think of that can deal with all the weird play a Terran throws at them. Go Iris!


You have clearly never heard of sAviOr (well, okay, he's not that shiny right now), Yarnc, Luxury (well, before he sucked), or Effort. Or, for that matter, Calm, who first really impressed me with an absolute destruction of UpMagic in the Winners League.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 16:11:40
August 14 2009 16:11 GMT
#733
Calm played pretty well. I just feel bad for Jaedong right now. He looks so damn tired. I gotta think Storyteller's diagnosis of overpracticing is coming into effect for him.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
August 14 2009 17:48 GMT
#734
Wow, this season Zerg of domination is even lamer than the "Golden Age of Protoss" with all Protoss ClubDay MSL semifinals and finals.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 00:03:52
August 15 2009 00:02 GMT
#735
On August 14 2009 13:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Has anyone realized how in this series, overpool, early ling pressure, fast +1 atk works against any other BO?

Calm didn't go overpool on Outsider, nor did he do early ling pressure, and he had an immense advantage after Jaedong's 9pool failed to do any significant damage to him. Then in the game on Heartbreak Ridge, Calm went 9pool against Jaedong's 13pool and won.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 15 2009 00:56 GMT
#736
Well, it's not strictly overpool, but a quick pool build. I'm pretty sure Calm went for an overpool on Outsider, since JD went 9 pool and they were slightly earlier than Calm's lings. He might've gone for 9 on HBR.
I guess my point would be that any 12 pool or higher looks extremely beatable with overpool or 9 pool now.
Jaedong
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
August 15 2009 01:04 GMT
#737
On August 15 2009 09:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, it's not strictly overpool, but a quick pool build. I'm pretty sure Calm went for an overpool on Outsider, since JD went 9 pool and they were slightly earlier than Calm's lings. He might've gone for 9 on HBR.
I guess my point would be that any 12 pool or higher looks extremely beatable with overpool or 9 pool now.

It was overgas on Outsider. Heartbreak Ridge was 9pool Speed which does amazing against 12pool expand builds.

Y SO DEJA VU AVID?
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 15 2009 01:07 GMT
#738
On August 15 2009 10:04 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2009 09:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, it's not strictly overpool, but a quick pool build. I'm pretty sure Calm went for an overpool on Outsider, since JD went 9 pool and they were slightly earlier than Calm's lings. He might've gone for 9 on HBR.
I guess my point would be that any 12 pool or higher looks extremely beatable with overpool or 9 pool now.

It was overgas on Outsider. Heartbreak Ridge was 9pool Speed which does amazing against 12pool expand builds.

Y SO DEJA VU AVID?

OMGZ. Let's just leave it at <10 pool, k?
Jaedong
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 15 2009 01:08 GMT
#739
No, calm went overgas on Outsider and overgas is really different from overpool in how the build works out and what the builds aim to do.

Nal_Ra has been saying for a really long while now in a lot of the ZvZ games he commentated on about how 12pool just isn't really a good build anymore, and there were stats some guy did on ZvZ on Medusa that showed that 9pool was beating 12pool more than the other way around which put a really big dent on the traditional theory of 12pool > 9pool. Of course some of these things differ depending on the map being played, but regardless, some of these ideas has been known for a while now, and so with this in mind, Calm didn't really bring anything drastically new to the table except for the quick +1 attack he did in the last two games and simply just confirmed some of the new theoretical ideas that have been brought up in ZvZ in recent times.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
August 15 2009 01:09 GMT
#740
On August 15 2009 10:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2009 10:04 Harem wrote:
On August 15 2009 09:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, it's not strictly overpool, but a quick pool build. I'm pretty sure Calm went for an overpool on Outsider, since JD went 9 pool and they were slightly earlier than Calm's lings. He might've gone for 9 on HBR.
I guess my point would be that any 12 pool or higher looks extremely beatable with overpool or 9 pool now.

It was overgas on Outsider. Heartbreak Ridge was 9pool Speed which does amazing against 12pool expand builds.

Y SO DEJA VU AVID?

OMGZ. Let's just leave it at <10 pool, k?

Overgas makes pool at 11 though. ;(

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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 15 2009 01:14 GMT
#741
Crap, when did ZvZ get so complicated?
Jaedong
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 15 2009 01:17 GMT
#742
All this stuff started to float around the time when they brought back Raid Assault 2 briefly, which was when Jaedong started to repopularize gas first builds, and that Proleague Season or a bit after, there was a sudden explosion in ZvZ builds and theory along with a mindbogglingly fast increase of skill in ZvZ amongst all Zerg progamers.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
August 15 2009 10:43 GMT
#743
I remember that JD once said in an interview that he hopes for leagues with many zvz's, because its his best match-up.
now he has leagues with zvz's and gets eliminated by only zergs.
effort, calm, and hopefully yarnc.

guess since he was mostly playing bo1's in proleague his zvz confidence exploded, but now that he is confronted with planned out build orders and strategies his zvz begins to crumble.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 15 2009 12:30 GMT
#744
Wow sick, I saw the vods and I figured I"d just watch one because it'd be 4 games where Calm wins one and JD rapes him for the remaining 3. Turns out I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.
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Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 15 2009 12:58 GMT
#745
On August 15 2009 19:43 Heimatloser wrote:
I remember that JD once said in an interview that he hopes for leagues with many zvz's, because its his best match-up.
now he has leagues with zvz's and gets eliminated by only zergs.
effort, calm, and hopefully yarnc.

guess since he was mostly playing bo1's in proleague his zvz confidence exploded, but now that he is confronted with planned out build orders and strategies his zvz begins to crumble.

more like.... if you watch OSL semi-final B, which took place 24 hours later, it's obvious that jaedong didn't practice for his semi-final vs Calm at all.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7222 Posts
August 15 2009 13:47 GMT
#746
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.
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Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 14:23:08
August 15 2009 14:19 GMT
#747
On August 14 2009 21:03 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 19:55 Presony-Boy wrote:
On August 14 2009 05:40 mog87 wrote:
God...if kwanro or calm win the msl, this is the worst starleague season ever. Go Berserker claim your destiny slay kwanro and then feast upon calm.

whats wrong with calm winning the msl?
its not like Bo5 vs effort and jaedong is easy (probably the 2 best zvz'ers, and calm beat them both)
dont use the 12 hatch excuse, its effort's fault

calm's road to the finals:
group: 2-0 (beat sea and zero)
Ro16: calm 2-0 forgg
Ro8: calm 3-0 effort
Ro4: calm 3-1 jaedong

if calm plays iris in the finals, and wins(also if loses), then its far from "the worst starleague season ever"

Just curious, what was the worst star league season ever then ? (not saying this one is bad, was awesome in my opinion)

When Luxury won MSL? When July won OSL in 2008?
Enlighten me

wasnt really my point
when he said "the worst starleague season ever", he meant something like this starleague is bad.
my point was that its far from bad, and imo its awesome.
im not comparing starleagues cuz its everyone's own opionion.

if i say that this msl is better than the msl where luxury won, then its my opinion, not a fact.
every starleague is unique in its own way, some might produce more quality games, but arguing which 1 is the worst is pointless imo.
hope u got my point.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 15 2009 15:12 GMT
#748
calm v iris would be epic, iris has one of the best tvzs, calm/s zvt is probably around effort's/JD's level

calm v kwanro would just make me sad, especially because i dont think theres anyway calm could lose, considering his amazing zvz streak
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 21 2009 03:50 GMT
#749
looks like jaedong invented the verb and noun hyuk.

Use as a Verb: JD just got hyuk'ed
Use as a Noun: Calm pulled off a hyuk

love it when JD get X-3'ed
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
August 21 2009 04:12 GMT
#750
On August 15 2009 22:47 Sadist wrote:
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.


That is an ignorant post if I've ever seen one.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 21 2009 04:45 GMT
#751
On August 15 2009 22:47 Sadist wrote:
rofl @ jaedong not practicing.

I swear some of you guys are just retarded.

Theres also skill involved....you know. Practicing only gets you so far the few days before a match. Its not like he hasnt played 10000 zvzs before.


Doesn't matter. When you're playing ZvT all day and not studying up on your opponent and practicing the specific maps you're playing, you're going to be in a rather uncomfortable zone when you switch to different maps and a COMPLETELY different MU than what you were practicing.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 21 2009 06:20 GMT
#752
On August 21 2009 12:50 dybydx wrote:
looks like jaedong invented the verb and noun hyuk.

Use as a Verb: JD just got hyuk'ed
Use as a Noun: Calm pulled off a hyuk

love it when JD get X-3'ed

How in the world did JD invent it?

That makes no sense whatsoever.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 21 2009 22:55 GMT
#753
cause hyuk is garbage class zerg and by loosing to hyuk on proleague, JD made hyuk a recognized household name
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