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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote: removing people's delusions does not seem cruel to me at all. That's why you're an emotional stub. I have much more pity for you than for most religious people. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:59 Jibba wrote: That's why you're an emotional stub. I have much more pity for you than for most religious people. "mommy when timmy prayed for his daddy's cancer to go away it worked but when i tried it didnt and now daddy's dead and its all my fault" people can not wish away tumors. telling them they can is cruel in itself, it gives false hope and misplaces trust. how many people have died because they tried some homeopathic bullshit instead of going to a doctor? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Actually, it's this. http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/350_reg.html You can't always criticize other people for real world responsibilities. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:02 Elite00fm wrote: if you don't feel like reading there is a youtube video that is virtually that article word for word with pretty pictures also: I'm atheist and I find christian religion to be absolutely absurd but that video was very stupid. It just kept rambling basically telling you "if you're smart your college education will tell you your religion is stupid" Sorry but that's not going to convince any of my christian friends... please come up with something better. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:52 IdrA wrote: heals once in a while, but never ever eeeeeever in a way that would leave indisputable proof? thats a neat trick. then, by all means, lets throw out the bible. that would do us a world of good. please enlighten me as to the evils of modern day extremist atheism? i was unaware such a thing existed. That's just a straw man. I didn't say 'the evils of religious extremism and atheistic extremism are equal in weight'. Actually, think about it, religion becomes dangerous when deeply flawed people become involved. It's not impossible that in the future we will have gigantic pogroms of people who have misinterpreted Dawkins running up and down the country burning people carrying crosses at the stake. You'd be surprised how staggeringly stupid a large portion of our countries is. And in the case of throwing out the bible, it's not going to happen any time soon; but if everyone takes it less literally, it will help us all. Same goes for trying to read it in a belligerent light. Unfortunately, it's one of the basic facts of life that you need to relate things to people to get them to get on board with you. Like Hitler trying to relate his issues with the Jews to the German peoples' weak economic position. If you want to get violent, aggressive, stupid people to join your sect, you will have to preach to them a very different gospel than the one you will have to preach to calm, friendly people. The bible basically covers all the bases, so it will be frightening to some, inspiring to others, violent for others etc. It's a big personality smear to get everyone it can to convert to its religion. The same goes for all the religions. It's really like teenage mutant ninja turtles. You have 4 different personalities so 4 times as many people can relate to it. So basically, you need to stop people from using confirmation bias when they read the bible, atheist and religious...and looking for violent passages in the Koran etc. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
If you think the Arab Israeli conflict is about religion, for example, you are sadly mistaken. | ||
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PriitM
Algeria181 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
 i'd be bowling with star systems | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:01 IdrA wrote: "mommy when timmy prayed for his daddy's cancer to go away it worked but when i tried it didnt and now daddy's dead and its all my fault" people can not wish away tumors. telling them they can is cruel in itself, it gives false hope and misplaces trust. how many people have died because they tried some homeopathic bullshit instead of going to a doctor? I disagree with you in that people who pray to God for good health are retarded. I agree with you in that they are retarded in praying for health without seeking actual medical advice. I am a Muslim, and my point of view on those people who only pray instead of taking the sick to a doctor: If you do not bother to try to help yourself, why will God bother to help you? | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:29 PriitM wrote: He won't heal amplutees because he doesn't exist. apparently he exists enough to have a gender. Furthermore, don't make me amplutate you | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:33 o3.power91 wrote: If you do not bother to try to help yourself, why will God bother to help you? Yeah that's a cool little phrase . Not that I am religious at all | ||
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PriitM
Algeria181 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:35 PriitM wrote: it doesn't heal amplutetees because it doesn't exist. now if THAT were what you had first said, you would have won the thread. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:33 o3.power91 wrote: I disagree with you in that people who pray to God for good health are retarded. I agree with you in that they are retarded in praying for health without seeking actual medical advice. I am a Muslim, and my point of view on those people who only pray instead of taking the sick to a doctor: If you do not bother to try to help yourself, why will God bother to help you? well i hold that god wouldnt help you in the first place as he doesnt exist, and so asking him to help you only generates false hope. obviously if you believe something can actually come of praying to god then you'd have a different perspective on it. do you believe that god can heal the sick? | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:22 HamerD wrote: That's just a straw man. I didn't say 'the evils of religious extremism and atheistic extremism are equal in weight'. Actually, think about it, religion becomes dangerous when deeply flawed people become involved. It's not impossible that in the future we will have gigantic pogroms of people who have misinterpreted Dawkins running up and down the country burning people carrying crosses at the stake. You'd be surprised how staggeringly stupid a large portion of our countries is. And in the case of throwing out the bible, it's not going to happen any time soon; but if everyone takes it less literally, it will help us all. Same goes for trying to read it in a belligerent light. Unfortunately, it's one of the basic facts of life that you need to relate things to people to get them to get on board with you. Like Hitler trying to relate his issues with the Jews to the German peoples' weak economic position. If you want to get violent, aggressive, stupid people to join your sect, you will have to preach to them a very different gospel than the one you will have to preach to calm, friendly people. The bible basically covers all the bases, so it will be frightening to some, inspiring to others, violent for others etc. It's a big personality smear to get everyone it can to convert to its religion. The same goes for all the religions. It's really like teenage mutant ninja turtles. You have 4 different personalities so 4 times as many people can relate to it. So basically, you need to stop people from using confirmation bias when they read the bible, atheist and religious...and looking for violent passages in the Koran etc. any idea that can cause people to rally around it is inherently dangerous, however you cannot compare religion and atheism. "fight to the death for god" and "fight to the death for the fact that there is no god" dont carry the same weight. by their very natures there is a massive imbalance there in the potential for inspiring extremism. not really sure what you're talking about for the rest of your post. at first you say that i shouldnt be referencing the bible and then you talk about how theres no way we're letting go of the bible anytime soon? i agree that the bible is a poor reference at best, but as you say its not going anywhere and there are alot of people with alot vested in it, so i see no problem with me referencing quotes from it when we're talking about the behavior of those people. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:25 HamerD wrote: One more addition. Getting rid of religion in the world would do about as much as getting rid of the Jewish race. People look for problems. That's the sad fact. If you think the Arab Israeli conflict is about religion, for example, you are sadly mistaken. religion is undeniably a problem. the fact that other problems may take its place is not a reason to ignore the existing problem. | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
first off the cae w/ Jeanna Giese was an actual example u can't counter prove that by stating something hypothetical... what if God HAS healed an amputee? there are many manyy miracles of God that happen (i've seen some with my own eyes) but they nvr get pressed or go to the media most of the time... nobody bothers i guess and i guess that is partially our fault for not spreading the good news but seriously if u r intelligent, even if you don't believe in God, u cannot possibly believe his logical reason to be bulletproof. even if he gave an actually life example for the amputee counterpoint it would still be on shaky grounds because anyone could still say oh the amputee and the people who prayed for him did not even have faith the size of a mustard seed... im not trying to prove to you God exists because that would possibly be the dumbest thing ever if i could prove God exists then there would be no need for faith and there certain will be no need to be bickering like this all im trying to say is this guy is full of holes and full of himself... | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On March 19 2009 21:44 IdrA wrote: well i hold that god wouldnt help you in the first place as he doesnt exist, and so asking him to help you only generates false hope. obviously if you believe something can actually come of praying to god then you'd have a different perspective on it. do you believe that god can heal the sick? I am a Muslim but not an Islamic scholar or high priest or anything like that so I cannot say 100% for sure. But from what I was taught: God can heal the sick. He just chooses whether or not he does. And who do you think God, if he exists, would rather help: a person who prays for their health while being taken care by a doctor, a person who prays without consulting a doctor, or a person who goes to the doctor but does not pray to God? Of course there are cases when the 3rd type of person i mentioned gets healed. The only explanation for that I have is that God works in mysterious ways. I'll admit I don't know everything about God so I can't explain everything unfortunately  | ||
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