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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
Also, since I'm posting anyway, the whole probability argument for the existence of God is flawed. Given an infinite amount of time (and by all indications, it seems that we have that), all non-zero probabilities are certain. As long as there was a non-zero chance of the big bang, life emerging, intelligence evolving, whatever, it was bound to happen eventually. Arguing against the likelihood of life evolving into its current specific form is just as dumb. If life evolving was inevitable, then this form is just the one it happened to take, not the only possible result. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
Even if the christian god does exist you can still blaspheme and do whatever you like cause he's all forgiving. Remember how he forgave the jews for crucifying his son and never did them any harm for 2000 years? Yeah, you can argue they had some tough times with all the anti jewish purges and the third reich and such but think about it - is there a nation that hasn't suffered? No. So you argument is not really valid. My point is that people can never go hell cause god's gonna forgive them. on a more serious thought: fuck god and all deities and live your live and enjoy it cause you're gonna be here for like 70-80 even 90 years and it's worth the time to brag about god and his healing abilities. | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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Pioneer
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On March 19 2009 17:03 Marradron wrote: Yes it actually is. I don't believe in god and i consider anyone that does not intelligent enough to make their own opinion and choices. I'm 100% atiest and i like it. Gl living your life in fear of eternal damnation lol. You're joking right? In case you aren't you know a large portion of people don't believe in a higher power because of fear of damnation, is it really that terrible and stupid to want to believe that there is something after death besides oblivion? I'm a christian (not a severely devout one, i don't go to church or pray regularly) because I'd like to think that when I die I won't cease to exist and believing in a higher power kind of comes with that belief. I realize there are inconsistencies in every major religion, but that doesn't mean people like you should start spouting off how you're intellectually superior to people that believe in something you don't. You give all atheists a bad name by making that statement. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Pioneer
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On March 19 2009 19:24 hymn wrote: Here's a thought of me about God: I do believe he doesn't exist. I think he was created by the early priests just to control the people. Even if the christian god does exist you can still blaspheme and do whatever you like cause he's all forgiving. Remember how he forgave the jews for crucifying his son and never did them any harm for 2000 years? Yeah, you can argue they had some tough times with all the anti jewish purges and the third reich and such but think about it - is there a nation that hasn't suffered? No. So you argument is not really valid. My point is that people can never go hell cause god's gonna forgive them. on a more serious thought: fuck god and all deities and live your live and enjoy it cause you're gonna be here for like 70-80 even 90 years and it's worth the time to brag about god and his healing abilities. The jews have suffered more than any group of people in recorded history. A lot more. Jesus (in the story) was considered the embodiment of god so his decision and acceptance of crucifixion was the will of god. I wish that people that are atheist would actually read religious texts before making semi uneducated statements concerning them. | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
I'm a christian (not a severely devout one, i don't go to church or pray regularly) because I'd like to think that when I die I won't cease to exist and believing in a higher power kind of comes with that belief. There are so many things wrong with that statement. Fear is not a good reason to believe in something. Do you think God wants you in his heaven if you only believe in him to not go to hell? I think you are smarter than that. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On March 19 2009 19:52 Pioneer wrote: The jews have suffered more than any group of people in recorded history. A lot more. Jesus (in the story) was considered the embodiment of god so his decision and acceptance of crucifixion was the will of god. I wish that people that are atheist would actually read religious texts before making semi uneducated statements concerning them. ahahahahaha, yeah they're the people who have suffered the most that anyone actually cares about enough to keep records of it, thats the sad truth. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On March 19 2009 19:52 IdrA wrote: you believe in something solely because you want to believe it. i think that does denote intellectual inferiority. religious people in general may not necessarily be intellectully inferior, but anyone who takes pascal's wager certainly is. I don't believe in God because I fear that I'll go to hell if I don't or because I fear some kind of reprimand or eternal damnation, for all I know I could be on my path to hell. There are a lot of fallacy's in the bible and beliefs of people and considering that the bible's text has been re translated so many times that integral parts of it could be missing or misinterpreted. I also believe that the church exerted some of their own separate beliefs on the writing of the bible over time that many of the ideas in it may not have been the actual ideas of God. Pascal's Wager is silly because it doesn't take into account those things (though considering he lived a fairly long time ago when those ideas may not have been so readily spread or accepted may be a factor in the reasoning behind his statement) for all anyone knows your actions in the world may be a deciding factor in the admittance to either part of eternity. I personally can't believe that a rapist could continue to rape people throughout his life while believing in god and asking for forgiveness and gain admittance into heaven. I know that was kind of a jumble, sorry. I hope you understand my point. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
It would encourage people to just go around throwing themselves off buildings and in front of trains, knowing they would be restored by the all mighty. Think about it, if God cured all diseases, how could humanity's population be restrained? If he revived all casualties of war? If he prevented all childhood and childbirth deaths? Essentially you would never want a god that just bends to the will of all of his followers, or he is just a help dispenser, a tool. And by the way, all of this crap about using logic to prove or disprove God is the stuff of retarded college dropouts and dumb 1st year philosophy students. The most important arguments relating to religion are: 1) Will we go to hell if we don't worship God? 2) Can God do anything on this earth? 3) Does God exist? In that order. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
I don't believe in God because I fear that I'll go to hell if I don't or because I fear some kind of reprimand or eternal damnation, for all I know I could be on my path to hell. you said you believe in god because you want to believe that theres an afterlife. thats only one step away from a division into heaven/hell and the very act of believing something solely because you want to, with no real reason to, is intellectually dishonest. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Pioneer
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On March 19 2009 19:58 esla_sol wrote: There are so many things wrong with that statement. Fear is not a good reason to believe in something. Do you think God wants you in his heaven if you only believe in him to not go to hell? I think you are smarter than that. Did I say once in there that I was afraid of oblivion or going to hell? There's a good chance that my actions may lead me to hell and there is strong reasoning behind the belief that there is no god/afterlife. I'm not afraid of the atheist belief, I'd rather it not be that way but can anyone say that they'd prefer nothingness and ceasing to exist over the chance at eternal happiness? (I said chance because assuming you believe in the christian religion there is a chance at eternal hellfire.) | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 19 2009 18:22 IdrA wrote: accepting the premise that god does other medical miracles the question of amputees and any similar miracle that would have incontrovertible proof is perfectly reasonable What medical miracles are you talking about? No one is talking about ridiculous Pentacostal garbage. | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:01 HamerD wrote: Actually from a practical standpoint, God (if he existed and could intervene with the world, which I very much doubt) would not be wise to heal the legs of all amputees. It would encourage people to just go around throwing themselves off buildings and in front of trains, knowing they would be restored by the all mighty. Think about it, if God cured all diseases, how could humanity's population be restrained? If he revived all casualties of war? If he prevented all childhood and childbirth deaths? Essentially you would never want a god that just bends to the will of all of his followers, or he is just a help dispenser, a tool. And by the way, all of this crap about using logic to prove or disprove God is the stuff of retarded college dropouts and dumb 1st year philosophy students. The most important arguments relating to religion are: 1) Will we go to hell if we don't worship God? 2) Can God do anything on this earth? 3) Does God exist? In that order. I thought this was a great post, not something I thought about. It leads me to think, that if God did exist, yet chose to do nothing, what kind of God is that? And then, should we really worship such a being. Good post. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:01 HamerD wrote: Actually from a practical standpoint, God (if he existed and could intervene with the world, which I very much doubt) would not be wise to heal the legs of all amputees. It would encourage people to just go around throwing themselves off buildings and in front of trains, knowing they would be restored by the all mighty. Think about it, if God cured all diseases, how could humanity's population be restrained? If he revived all casualties of war? If he prevented all childhood and childbirth deaths? then why does he 'miraculously cure' cancer and rabies and whatnot? Essentially you would never want a god that just bends to the will of all of his followers, or he is just a help dispenser, a tool. the verses from the bible quoted in the op do kind of script him as that. "ask and ye shall receive" and whatnot. | ||
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Pioneer
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:06 Jibba wrote: What medical miracles are you talking about? No one is talking about ridiculous Pentacostal garbage. did you not read the op or something? this is addressed to people who believe in the 'power of prayer' to literally heal sick people. if you dont believe that then yes you are free to ignore it. but there are plenty of people who do believe it. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 20:09 Pioneer wrote: Is there really any indisputable evidence that god/higher power doesn't exist? Also please don't say "oh why didn't god stop the tsunami or heal this or that person" and use it as your argument. Assuming that there is an omnipotent higher power there's no way to have complete understanding of that things reasoning or actions. why dont you worship zeus then? | ||
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