EPTThese debates are always so pointless. The styles on both side of the debate do not match. One side uses hardcore deduction, and the other just goes "God's ways can not be rationalized, and He must be accepted on faith". bam.
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ZerglingShepherd
Canada99 Posts
These debates are always so pointless. The styles on both side of the debate do not match. One side uses hardcore deduction, and the other just goes "God's ways can not be rationalized, and He must be accepted on faith". bam. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
I honestly myself dont believe any rational person should believe in god. However i think religion is a way for control of the mob, it gives their life "purpose' and rules Wile ive come to the conclusion life doesnt need to have purpose, i doubt many people can live with this thought. IMO thats why religion is still so important in this world. | ||
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2b-Rigtheous
Korea (South)50 Posts
Atheists these days love the argument of rationality. It makes them sound so intelligent... or so they think. How is it rational to believe the whole world came into being by luck, by mere chance.... The sun, the moon, sex, human beings, animals, the sky etc. all came from mere luck... Do some research on the probability of that… and then tell me who’s rational and who’s not…. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:32 2b-Rigtheous wrote: I can't understand why people try to act like the argument of "We cannot understand God's ways" is a weak one. It's a very strong argument indeed. You were created, you didn't make the world, you only see it from your tiny, limited and biased perspective. We hardly know anything about this world we live in, I mean we know so, so little... Yet scientists are studying 24/7 and they still know almost nothing. Shows how limited our minds truly are. And somehow you think we can understand God, the creator of this Universe. That's laughable and arrogant to say the least. Atheists these days love the argument of rationality. It makes them sound so intelligent... or so they think. How is it rational to believe the whole world came into being by luck, by mere chance.... The sun, the moon, sex, human beings, animals, the sky etc. all came from mere luck... Do some research on the probability of that… and then tell me who’s rational and who’s not…. The problem lies in the subject itself. If you claim something like sounds travels at 300 m/s it is a good opinion.Not in the way that its wright or wrong but in the way it can be proven or disproven. However if you bring up the god exists opnion. There is no way you can disprove that. the believer can and will just bring up the well that just god argument. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:32 2b-Rigtheous wrote: I can't understand why people try to act like the argument of "We cannot understand God's ways" is a weak one. It's a very strong argument indeed. You were created, you didn't make the world, you only see it from your tiny, limited and biased perspective. We hardly know anything about this world we live in, I mean we know so, so little... Yet scientists are studying 24/7 and they still know almost nothing. Shows how limited our minds truly are. And somehow you think we can understand God, the creator of this Universe. That's laughable and arrogant to say the least. Atheists these days love the argument of rationality. It makes them sound so intelligent... or so they think. How is it rational to believe the whole world came into being by luck, by mere chance.... The sun, the moon, sex, human beings, animals, the sky etc. all came from mere luck... Do some research on the probability of that… and then tell me who’s rational and who’s not…. rofl don't talk shit about the probability, you have no clue what you're talking about already. also yes, it is more rational and scientific by definition of using observable evidence rather than faith. it's just... how rationality is defined. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:32 2b-Rigtheous wrote: I can't understand why people try to act like the argument of "We cannot understand God's ways" is a weak one. It's a very strong argument indeed. You were created, you didn't make the world, you only see it from your tiny, limited and biased perspective. We hardly know anything about this world we live in, I mean we know so, so little... Yet scientists are studying 24/7 and they still know almost nothing. Shows how limited our minds truly are. And somehow you think we can understand God, the creator of this Universe. That's laughable and arrogant to say the least. Atheists these days love the argument of rationality. It makes them sound so intelligent... or so they think. How is it rational to believe the whole world came into being by luck, by mere chance.... The sun, the moon, sex, human beings, animals, the sky etc. all came from mere luck... Do some research on the probability of that… and then tell me who’s rational and who’s not…. wouldn't a 1 in a million quadrillions probability that our cosmological models were correct be more rational than a creation myth? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:50 benjammin wrote: wouldn't a 1 in a million quadrillions probability that our cosmological models were correct be more rational than a creation myth? i hate this kind of shit too, talking as if we only have one model with one probability we have tons of models with their own different probabilities for the existence of life. how could we accurately KNOW the probability if we aren't even sure of the details of the big bang, inflationary period, if we aren't even sure of the amount of physical dimensions...?!??!? | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 19 2009 17:55 benjammin wrote: i don't see where you got that from my post, i was just saying that an explanation was any amount of probability is more rational to believe than one with none oh shit my bad, i misread your post | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On March 19 2009 18:10 IdrA wrote: well its not really the problem of evil and the normal responses to the problem of evil cant address it because of the claims that miracles cure other diseases like cancer and stuff, either god hates amputees or the other medical 'miracles' arent really miracles. its a variation on it i'm not a christian btw or even that interested in either side of this argument, i just thought to point everyone in the right direction | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 19 2009 18:16 Jibba wrote: I find most undeveloped atheist/agnostic thought to be just as idiotic as any other undeveloped religious beliefs. This thread probably falls into that category. accepting the premise that god does other medical miracles the question of amputees and any similar miracle that would have incontrovertible proof is perfectly reasonable | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
On March 19 2009 18:16 Jibba wrote: I find most undeveloped atheist/agnostic thought to be just as idiotic as any other undeveloped religious beliefs. This thread probably falls into that category. Please enlighten us. On March 19 2009 18:19 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: anyone who has any common sense should be able to point out that religious people are ridiculous for believing in their religion 100% without question. honestly it's just pointless to try to present arguments against religion because if someone is capable of thinking past what they've been told they don't need convincing anyway, as they'll have discovered it on their own. Why should you try and change their mind? Because they are wrong, dead wrong. And it is these wrong people that turn up to the polls and vote. If religion was a non-issue, gays would not have been stripped of their basic human rights with the passing of prop 8. | ||
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2b-Rigtheous
Korea (South)50 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
On March 19 2009 18:22 IdrA wrote: accepting the premise that god does other medical miracles the question of amputees and any similar miracle that would have incontrovertible proof is perfectly reasonable Dude, punctuation. Seriously. It's just common courtesy to make your posts a whole lot easier to understand. | ||
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