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On August 29 2008 04:19 ieatkids5 wrote: Being independent and brushing away others keeps you from being hurt. But the drawback of not being able to be comfortable with someone else outweighs distancing yourself from others.
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Calgary25955 Posts
I got into this drunken argument a few nights ago. I'll try to put it all together into a coherant argument but I know it's going to end up mishmashed.
I don't think it's right to look down at people for the music they make or the music the like. Some people seem to choose to incorporate the difficulty into how appealing they find listening to a song to be. That's perfectly valid. But I don't think it's fair to belittle people who choose not to do that.
Where would you draw the line? Some function that's maximized for mainstream appeal and mechanical difficulty? I think people already do this themselves, they weigh music based on its "agreeability", depth and a myriad of other criteria. Just like any art, the closer you are to understanding the medium the more you can appreciate the depth. But does that make your opinion any more valid than someone with shallower eyes? At their level of listening, maybe simpler music actually does sound better because they don't appreciate the depth and get overwhelmed.
So in talking about the guy on the street who made "better" music than Soulja Boy, I kind of find that sentence hard to stomach. I think he makes different music, which you appreciate, and most likely worked much harder at it, which you also appreciate; but remember you're looking through a warped lense. If the track came on the radio instead of some guy on the street, you probably would still like it better, but would you like it as much?
It's hard to listen to any music objectively. When I listen to Binary Finary, without fail, I have the stupidest shit-eating grin on my face. Because it reminds me of a lot of great memories which have tied themselves together with the music. Similarly, Audioslave reminds me of hearing my housemate play them 20 hours a day. Maybe had I been exposed to Audioslave differently I would have a different opinion of them, but for now I can't stand a single one of their tracks.
Hmmm. I guess I'd just like to see more of "This is why you should appreciate this over what you like" as opposed to "What you like is lesser than what I like".
This applied to a lot of things and I myself am guilty of it in tons of things, but I think I'm mostly sensative to it regarding music.
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United States33025 Posts
haha, pretty sure I saw the exact same guy today I was in a hurry though, so I just said no thanks and went by
Anyway NYU tends to divide people, some of my friends absolutely hate it and are just here to finish their degrees, while other kids fall in love with the city.
It's true that it's somewhat difficult to make friends at NYU. Like hot Hot_Bid said, you should really focus on making friends during the first year (and first few months), because that is the most open people are going to be for four years. People find their friends pretty quickly, and become start to become closed off. But in the end, it's all about yourself. If you're friendly and open, you can keep meeting new people and have a very interesting social life in the city.
Oh, just wondering, what dorm are you at?
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Nice post.
I'm attending NYU too!
Graduate school though.
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On August 29 2008 01:44 ilovejonn wrote: reminds me of nujabes/shing02 etc. JOSH, WHERE ARE YOU?!
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On August 29 2008 09:48 Waxangel wrote:haha, pretty sure I saw the exact same guy today I was in a hurry though, so I just said no thanks and went by Anyway NYU tends to divide people, some of my friends absolutely hate it and are just here to finish their degrees, while other kids fall in love with the city. It's true that it's somewhat difficult to make friends at NYU. Like hot Hot_Bid said, you should really focus on making friends during the first year (and first few months), because that is the most open people are going to be for four years. People find their friends pretty quickly, and become start to become closed off. But in the end, it's all about yourself. If you're friendly and open, you can keep meeting new people and have a very interesting social life in the city. Oh, just wondering, what dorm are you at?
i'm in university hall. you?
On August 29 2008 05:52 Chill wrote: I got into this drunken argument a few nights ago. I'll try to put it all together into a coherant argument but I know it's going to end up mishmashed.
I don't think it's right to look down at people for the music they make or the music the like. Some people seem to choose to incorporate the difficulty into how appealing they find listening to a song to be. That's perfectly valid. But I don't think it's fair to belittle people who choose not to do that.
Where would you draw the line? Some function that's maximized for mainstream appeal and mechanical difficulty? I think people already do this themselves, they weigh music based on its "agreeability", depth and a myriad of other criteria. Just like any art, the closer you are to understanding the medium the more you can appreciate the depth. But does that make your opinion any more valid than someone with shallower eyes? At their level of listening, maybe simpler music actually does sound better because they don't appreciate the depth and get overwhelmed.
So in talking about the guy on the street who made "better" music than Soulja Boy, I kind of find that sentence hard to stomach. I think he makes different music, which you appreciate, and most likely worked much harder at it, which you also appreciate; but remember you're looking through a warped lense. If the track came on the radio instead of some guy on the street, you probably would still like it better, but would you like it as much?
It's hard to listen to any music objectively. When I listen to Binary Finary, without fail, I have the stupidest shit-eating grin on my face. Because it reminds me of a lot of great memories which have tied themselves together with the music. Similarly, Audioslave reminds me of hearing my housemate play them 20 hours a day. Maybe had I been exposed to Audioslave differently I would have a different opinion of them, but for now I can't stand a single one of their tracks.
Hmmm. I guess I'd just like to see more of "This is why you should appreciate this over what you like" as opposed to "What you like is lesser than what I like".
This applied to a lot of things and I myself am guilty of it in tons of things, but I think I'm mostly sensative to it regarding music.
I was thinking about that too. Maybe Soulja Boy is actually a very talented musician who intelligently caters to the mainstream audience; the mainstream audience being... a large percentage of the United States population. Anyway... I was thinking that maybe he planned everything out, and sincerely thought about what the people really wanted out of hip hop music, namely: bitches, hoes, supersoaking hoes, supermanning hoes, YAHHHHHHHHing hoes, YAHHHHH... and that's when I realize, wow, I have been smoking way too much weed... at which point, it occurs to me that I have never smoked a blunt in my entire life. I'm not sure about other people, but I think that music should have at least some meaning to it. And I sincerely hope that Soulja Boy is just a passing fad, because if he can be seen as a talented hip hop artist for creating a form of music that is agreeable to a mainstream, public audience, then that means humanity as a whole has lost its ability to think in coherent sentences or derive meaning from art. Therefore, I would like to keep thinking that Soulja Boy just got randomly lucky and somehow ignited an evanescent fad type of music that will perish in a few short years. At least, that's what I'm hoping...
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I felt the exact same way when I was in NYC as well.
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United States24513 Posts
This was my concern with going to a city campus. I was much happier with the traditional large college campus.
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United States33025 Posts
oh I live out in brooklyn, and I was wearing my TL shirt around today, but no one seemed to notice
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